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I’ll add some thoughts shortly. Whatever I can think of, hmm...
I’ll add some thoughts shortly. Whatever I can think of, hmm...
It's all good!Appreciate that rundown of the Cardinal Dock. My level of knowledge is slightly higher in the MOCAL, so I'll toss those thoughts in here if that's alright. Feel free to skip over it for MSL discussions, but the MOCAL doesn't need its own thread and is probably affiliated closer to the Cardinal than any other conference. I also have an insanely bold prediction that I need to remember to look back on, but first is a less bold prediction:
Aww yeah! Noted on TOL.The MOCAL will be significantly better over the next 1-4 years. Not saying they'll compete with the Cardinal from top to bottom, but I don't think it'll be a situation where only the top couple teams in the MOCAL would squeak by the bottom teams in the Cardinal. Personally I could see both divisions (and all of D4 Central) really stepping up a level.
It could be the case that Shekinah is anticipating a good incoming freshmen class. I've heard they're expecting some good things out of the incoming freshmen for baseball, so I expect those kids will be bigger and more attuned to high school sports than some of the kids that might have played hoops for them this past year (IDK, didn't get to see their basketball team -- only baseball.)Shekinah - 0 seniors last year. Problem is that they are the opposite of Tree in terms of length. I saw a game online last year where they started 3 guys who appeared to be 5'8" and smaller. Really hard to compete against Tree and other big teams with that. But they will have lots of experience returning from their 2nd place team. They also have a really good wing who carried them at times last year.
Better than Jay Burson's son, eh?! My words, not yours'. I can believe it. I've heard that kid can ball.Granville - Lost a couple starters but return the POY in the conference. Benvie is my early pick to win District POY. He had 39 in a half for crying out loud haha. Kid can really play and has a younger brother on the team too. They have been slowly picking up some out of conference wins in recent years but haven't really put it all together yet.
Oh snap!BOLD PREDICTION: Northside Christian will win a District Title (maybe Regional Title) within 4 years.
Northside: Yeah I said it. The team that hasn't competed in the conference for over 20 years is set to completely dominate the MOCAL and likely D4 Central District, maybe as early as 2022-23. I've watched their middle school team play and they won every conference game by 25+, usually that amount was by halftime. And yes I realize junior high isn't the same, that development goes a long way, and Northside doesn't have a history of developing their players. I'm sticking with it. Here's why (I heard this from a MOCAL middle school coach and have seen their 8th grade team play):
Man, no kidding?! I'm surprised he ended up at Northside, and not the Christian school with the better basketball reputation that's 10 minutes to the west.- 2 years ago, their middle school added the best player they have ever had. He is a 6'5" guard who plays for AAU for All Ohio Red and is a possible D1 prospect ranked as a top 25 prospect from Columbus (from what I've been told anyway, but who knows in 8th grade?). Incredible vision, shoots lights out, and can also run point. He threw down a weak-hand dunk in the 8th grade game I saw last year. Kids like this don't play for MOCAL schools.
- The father of the stud freshman was the middle school coach the last two seasons and also coached in AAU. He had those junior high kids playing extremely intense defense, something Northside always had been lacking. I believe he will be helping coach the high school team going forward.
Great to read and hear on Northside, and how they're coming around with a good foundation to pave the way for big things. And yeah, they always have height.- The rest of the current class of 8th graders has been highly anticipated for many seasons. They work together on their own in the offseason and have for years.
- They have a legitimate offseason program this year and are attending a team camp. Yes, this is normal for most schools. But from what my friend said this is the first time they have done anything basketball-related in the summer for years.
- They always have height and that will continue for at least the near future. Next season they will likely start 6'6", 6'5" (freshman guard), 6'4". Their issue has always been guard play, but that seems to be resolved.
I always wondered if any MOCAL school (pick any of them) would experience a meteoric rise in short time, but had it in my mind it would come in some manner like getting a transplant student or two from overseas (which is not a totally unusual thing to see happen with some of the Christian school basketball factories or one-and-dones that have popped up nationwide over the years.) But not like this!It will likely take a year to come together on a consistent basis, but it wouldn't surprise me if they finish in the top 3rd of the conference this year and really take off in 2022-23. Also, any incoming success may bring in some transfers in the future. They are located in a great spot in Westerville, but most private schoolers who seek to play basketball go to Tree of Life or Columbus Academy. The school is expanding its facilities and seems to be growing rapidly. It wouldn't surprise me to see some of those guys go to Northside if they put together a couple strong years.
So there you have it. If I'm wrong, please bring it up 4 years from now and rub it in my face to discount anything I say going forward. But for now, the future at Northside (and the entire MOCAL really) is trending upward more than it ever has before.
Hey -- wait a second. The KMAC is the cellar conference of Central D4!Oh shoot how could I forget about Burson haha. Ok maybe second best. I saw Benvie did the Battle for the City thing put on by 270 Hoops and did well, so he could probably carry them.
That same middle school coach told me a couple of rumors. I’d like to stress this is second hand so take it with a grain of salt, but he said that Shekinah had a freshman who is supposed to grow to 7-feet. Said he didn’t do anything in middle school but that’s what their coach told him, so that could be a game changer.
The other rumor was about that stud from Northside. Apparently WC has been “recruiting him hard to the point (he) couldn’t believe they would offer him what they did.” Again, second hand info. But I guess his uncle teaches at Northside and his cousin was a freshman who started varsity last year, so maybe they wanted to keep it in the family.
I have no idea if Wellington/Grandview will be D4 in the future, but if they aren’t then it wouldn’t surprise me to see GCC and Northside win a couple district titles.
Are you aware of any strong freshman classes coming up in the Cardinal? Would be real fun to see both conferences elevate Central D4 from the cellar.
The Nest is a blast, for sure!Hoping to see GCC at least 5-6 times this season. It is a fun place to watch a game when the students are active participants. I have a feeling several small schools like GCC will see a spike in their home game attendance for at least a year or two. I am not taking opportunities to watch my family or friends for granted any longer. Gonna be out and about as much as possible. I will see Chris very soon. Looking forward to hearing how summer ball is going.
A holding pattern for... what??? An incoming class of five kids that play basketball year-round? Influx of 7' Sub-Saharan youth coming to Lancaster? Something unforeseen, for better or for worse?This year could be a holding pattern for Fisher’s basketball. Their numbers are low and unlikely to have many big scoring threats. The defense will keep them in games and the seniors are great athletes. But there is not much behind them in the 10th and 11th grade. Effort and intensity will keep them respectable without any shooters or primary post presence.
Problem with the big kid from Millersport is he probably has a bunch of people in his ear telling him to play football, while the baseball coaches likely want him to ditch basketball and work on pitching instead over the winter.Finally able to get back into the summer routine.
GCC will be better this year but still young. Will start two juniors and three Sophs. They will surprise people but still think middle of the pack. I heard the same thing from a parent about June being a little rocky for them with some injuries.
Don't count Berne out. Losing Unger is big but they have a good young group in that Soph class as well.
Rosecrans will be good as well. They lose a ton of scoring but also bring back a great shooter who already had some length. If they can get 1 or 2 around him, Rock will be right there.
FCA will have the guard play but not sure of much outside that.
Millersport brings back the big red head kid and a lefty shooter as well. There JV was bad but with them bringing back football, that could help.
FC always seems to reload. Not counting them out either.
Harvest posted some pictures from team camp on Twitter. Check them out and see what you think.
That, but also... the kid will for sure be playing 32/32 minutes for NCS every game he dresses. That's hard. Just one of those deals where it probably makes more sense to just attend one of the Westerville publics or WC.I did see on 270 that Michael Redd's son is going to be a Freshman at WC. That should help with a nice reload.
Grandview will be good and probably repeat at the D4 level for a few years.
Interesting take on the MOCAL. I have heard about the kid from Northside as well. I am interested to see if he sticks it out there. If he is as good as I have heard, I feel like it is a disservice to stay at Northside. Most college coaches will see what type of competition he is playing, unless they go load the non conference. If you look at Arbiter, the best non-conference game is Grandview to open the season. They will have to change how they schedule to get him some looks.
They look like they have some dudes this year. Some kids definitely have been in the weight room.Finally able to get back into the summer routine.
Harvest posted some pictures from team camp on Twitter. Check them out and see what you think.
So a thought popped into my head scrolling through Zach Fleer's Twitter: what stops, or holds back, the smaller private schools in the Columbus metro for accumulating diamonds-in-the-rough talent or even solid/D2 level talent in hoops?Tree - Returning conference champs and only lose a couple backups. They pick up more transfers than about any other small school and I've heard they may have already picked up one. They had a transfer from Gahanna Lincoln last year who sat out the second half of the year who is an impact defensive player. Lastly, they have a ton of length. I believe they'll start at least 3 active guys 6'2" or taller with long arms and the others aren't much shorter. Doesn't sound like much, but athletic length at a small school is enough to keep you competitive, especially in this conference. Definite favorite to win it again and likely compete out of conference as well.
I'm not entirely sure if that is true. An AD in the Cardinal did publicly accuse a fellow school of recruiting (two actually) this past winter and did so on video. Aside from that, I've never actually heard of schools threatening to leave.Two schools threatened to leave the MSL-Cardinal a couple years ago because other schools were getting transfers in boys sports. Said that some of the league cared too much about winning. If true those two still have the same people as back then. So there might not be down flow in the Card.
I did see on 270 that Michael Redd's son is going to be a Freshman at WC. That should help with a nice reload.
Grandview will be good and probably repeat at the D4 level for a few years.
Interesting take on the MOCAL. I have heard about the kid from Northside as well. I am interested to see if he sticks it out there. If he is as good as I have heard, I feel like it is a disservice to stay at Northside. Most college coaches will see what type of competition he is playing, unless they go load the non conference. If you look at Arbiter, the best non-conference game is Grandview to open the season. They will have to change how they schedule to get him some looks.
I'll be waiting.You know the drill… we’ll be on here when football’s over.
So, who is likely to finish 2nd in the Cardinal for boys hoops?I'll be waiting.