Dumb. 12 teams are not worthy of the playoff.Looks like a 12 team model is the current flavor of the moment:
With College Football Playoff change looming, a 12-team model leads the way
While popular sentiment has the College Football Playoff expanding to an eight-team tournament, that isn't the focus of the sport's power brokers.sports.yahoo.com
Actually many reports are coming out that the SEC is driving this conversation as Greg Sanky is the alpha in the room. Now its not a done deal but many of the points being developed sound like a SEC wet dream:This is r**arded. What a massive waste of time & $ just so the G5 and PAC 12 can have their participation trophies.
Listen, as much as I hate SECism and as much as I love the B1G (especially OSU), there is no doubt the SEC is the strongest football league. The rate they are getting players into the NFL is astonishing and the quality of play in the SEC week to week is very strong. I’m pretty sure a great SEC team isn’t going to fear coming up north for a playoff game.I'm surprised the SEC is risking having to travel somewhere like Wisconsin in December. Wouldn't be surprised to hear a push to move those games to neutral sites.
I will like this ... how will the second round be paired up .... lowest seed to highest seed or predetermined by original seeding?Byes:
'Bama
Clemson
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Campus games:
USC @ ND
IU @ Texas A&M
Iowa State @ Florida
Georgia @ UC
ND & A&M we’re the 4th & 5th best teams and Bama blew both of them out. Until there’s more parity in the sport, this is pointless. When was the last time a playoff team was majorly upset (ie losing to unranked team)? Clemson in 2017 when they lost to Syracuse? I know OSU losing to Iowa & Purdue knocked them out, but they got blown out, so they deserved to miss the playoffs.Actually many reports are coming out that the SEC is driving this conversation as Greg Sanky is the alpha in the room. Now its not a done deal but many of the points being developed sound like a SEC wet dream:
Here is how it would have looked this year>
- The proposal calls for the bracket to include the six highest-ranked conference champions and the six remaining highest-ranked teams as determined by the CFP selection committee.
- .No conference would qualify automatically and there would be no limit on the number of participants from a conference.
- Under the proposal for a 12-team format, the four highest-ranked conference champions would be seeded 1-4 and receive a first-round bye. Teams 5-12 would play each other in the first round on the home field of the higher-ranked team. The quarterfinals and semifinals would be played in bowl games, and the national championship game would remain at a neutral site.
- The first-round games would take place on campus sometime during the two-week period following conference championship games. The quarterfinals would be played on Jan. 1 -- or Jan. 2 when New Year's Day falls on a Sunday -- and on an adjacent day.
- Independents, (basically ND) are not eligible for a bye since they are not in a conference.
- The CFP bracket would follow the selection committee's rankings, with no changes to avoid rematches of teams that might have played during the regular season or are from the same conference.
Byes:
'Bama
Clemson
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Campus games:
USC @ ND
IU @ Texas A&M
Iowa State @ Florida
Georgia @ UC
If this is the future it looks like this thing is even more of a regional sport to me.
Chicken or egg problem ... there will not be more parity until more teams have a chance at the playoffs ... it is no accident that the teams that have made the most playoffs are getting the best recruiting classes ... the more teams get a chance at the playoffs will help them recruit ... then you will get closer to parity ... but there will never be complete parity.ND & A&M we’re the 4th & 5th best teams and Bama blew both of them out. Until there’s more parity in the sport, this is pointless. When was the last time a playoff team was majorly upset (ie losing to unranked team)? Clemson in 2017 when they lost to Syracuse? I know OSU losing to Iowa & Purdue knocked them out, but they got blown out, so they deserved to miss the playoffs.
Chicken or egg problem ... there will not be more parity until more teams have a chance at the playoffs ... it is no accident that the teams that have made the most playoffs are getting the best recruiting classes ... the more teams get a chance at the playoffs will help them recruit ... then you will get closer to parity ... but there will never be complete parity.
Defense in the SEC is terrible. Until there is a lot more cross conference play, you can't know which conference is better. The best talent doesn't always win a particular game. And in a playoff, it is only 1 game.Listen, as much as I hate SECism and as much as I love the B1G (especially OSU), there is no doubt the SEC is the strongest football league. The rate they are getting players into the NFL is astonishing and the quality of play in the SEC week to week is very strong. I’m pretty sure a great SEC team isn’t going to fear coming up north for a playoff game.
The definitely need to limit the conferences to 2 teams. Otherwise half the teams will be SEC teams.Actually many reports are coming out that the SEC is driving this conversation as Greg Sanky is the alpha in the room. Now its not a done deal but many of the points being developed sound like a SEC wet dream:
Here is how it would have looked this year>
- The proposal calls for the bracket to include the six highest-ranked conference champions and the six remaining highest-ranked teams as determined by the CFP selection committee.
- .No conference would qualify automatically and there would be no limit on the number of participants from a conference.
- Under the proposal for a 12-team format, the four highest-ranked conference champions would be seeded 1-4 and receive a first-round bye. Teams 5-12 would play each other in the first round on the home field of the higher-ranked team. The quarterfinals and semifinals would be played in bowl games, and the national championship game would remain at a neutral site.
- The first-round games would take place on campus sometime during the two-week period following conference championship games. The quarterfinals would be played on Jan. 1 -- or Jan. 2 when New Year's Day falls on a Sunday -- and on an adjacent day.
- Independents, (basically ND) are not eligible for a bye since they are not in a conference.
- The CFP bracket would follow the selection committee's rankings, with no changes to avoid rematches of teams that might have played during the regular season or are from the same conference.
Byes:
'Bama
Clemson
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Campus games:
USC @ ND
IU @ Texas A&M
Iowa State @ Florida
Georgia @ UC
If this is the future it looks like this thing is even more of a regional sport to me.
They don't because they can't guarantee even travel and it doesn't help their recruiting to come north.Listen, as much as I hate SECism and as much as I love the B1G (especially OSU), there is no doubt the SEC is the strongest football league. The rate they are getting players into the NFL is astonishing and the quality of play in the SEC week to week is very strong. I’m pretty sure a great SEC team isn’t going to fear coming up north for a playoff game.
I’m sure they’ll still be played. I like them. Usually means a college FB game, or games, on every day in Dec. I don’t watch them all, but I watch some of them.Next question ... what happens to the 100 or so (or it seems like) meaningless other bowl games .... I am good if most or all of them just goes away.
Which will be interesting, because even though ND is in the Midwest…right in the print of B1G country…if pushed I think ND would go ACC. Their old Catholic strongholds in the Midwest are aging and the new demographics in the region, in hot spots like MSP, Indianapolis, Columbus, aren’t hugely skewing strongly Catholic. East Coast cities like Boston, NYC, Philly, Baltimore have always been ND strong points.Supposedly the guys with the Rose Bowl are super ticked off. With this format not only do they will lose the traditional B1G v Pac 12 match up but more importantly the January 1 2:00 PM PST kick off so that TV cameras get that sun setting over the San Gabriel mountains image. They may also a quarter final pairing of Iowa State v Coastal Carolina doesn't get the juices flowing or sell parade tickets to throngs of alumni traveling to LA for the game.
On the flip side the ACC is happy as can be because they think this will force ND's hand and make them join the Conference.
I think Coastal Carolina would've gotten in over USC.Actually many reports are coming out that the SEC is driving this conversation as Greg Sanky is the alpha in the room. Now its not a done deal but many of the points being developed sound like a SEC wet dream:
Here is how it would have looked this year>
- The proposal calls for the bracket to include the six highest-ranked conference champions and the six remaining highest-ranked teams as determined by the CFP selection committee.
- .No conference would qualify automatically and there would be no limit on the number of participants from a conference.
- Under the proposal for a 12-team format, the four highest-ranked conference champions would be seeded 1-4 and receive a first-round bye. Teams 5-12 would play each other in the first round on the home field of the higher-ranked team. The quarterfinals and semifinals would be played in bowl games, and the national championship game would remain at a neutral site.
- The first-round games would take place on campus sometime during the two-week period following conference championship games. The quarterfinals would be played on Jan. 1 -- or Jan. 2 when New Year's Day falls on a Sunday -- and on an adjacent day.
- Independents, (basically ND) are not eligible for a bye since they are not in a conference.
- The CFP bracket would follow the selection committee's rankings, with no changes to avoid rematches of teams that might have played during the regular season or are from the same conference.
Byes:
'Bama
Clemson
Ohio State
Oklahoma
Campus games:
USC @ ND
IU @ Texas A&M
Iowa State @ Florida
Georgia @ UC
If this is the future it looks like this thing is even more of a regional sport to me.
I think you are reading it wrong. There is no limit on bids from the power 5 or the non power 5. There isn't only one spot for a non power 5 champion. If 2 go undefeated, they will have a great shot at top 12 if they play anyone with a pulseIt's not perfect, but a step in the right direction. I say this as a fan of a MAC team - any model where every team in the country is not in complete control of its destiny is imperfect in my mind. Say you have a Mountain West team that begins the year ranked and a MAC team that does not garner any preseason AP/Coaches poll votes. Both teams go undefeated, win their conferences, and finish as the top two ranked G5 teams. The MWC team gets the bid and the MAC team never had a chance to pass them (most years, the MAC team would be sweating it out hoping for another Oregon/USC situation). I want the W/L results of the season to determine bids, not a poll giving a team a head start. I'm aware that the midseason CFP poll is what is used in this case. I'm aware that the midseason CFP poll is what is used, but I doubt the MAC team would pass the MWC team in this example.
12 team playoff, all 10 conference champions, two at large bids, top four conference champs get a bye, first round on campus, and if you want to get really wild, the at large teams get seeded 11/12. That's my dream playoff.
I said in my first post that I think Coastal Carolina would get in over USC last year, but maybe I should change that to "should".I think you are reading it wrong. There is no limit on bids from the power 5 or the non power 5. There isn't only one spot for a non power 5 champion. If 2 go undefeated, they will have a great shot at top 12 if they play anyone with a pulse
If the Mac team schedules all cupcakes out of conference and beats nobody , that's their fault.
And no way should all non power 5 champs get guaranteed spots. That means you are valuing the Mac champ the same way as a power 5 champ. In that case , why wouldn't Penn state join the Mac ?
It's not the same difficulty level. And I say that coming from a non power 5 champ college who won their conference 2 of the last 4 years (Florida Atlantic)
No the conference champs are not valued the same way in other sports. A MAC champ is often a 13 or 14 seed vs a 1 or 2 seed from a ACC champ in basketball. Also other sports have a ton of teams competing in the playoffs so it's easy to give auto bidsI said in my first post that I think Coastal Carolina would get in over USC last year, but maybe I should change that to "should".
Using last year's results, I would be ecstatic if more than one G5 earned a bid, but at the same time, I think Oregon should be rewarded for winning their conference championship. I get that a team that had a season like theirs (losing three games) has only themselves to blame.
I suppose it's a matter of preference. Do you want to reward the teams that had the best body of work, or do you want to reward the teams that are playing the best at the end of the season?
Every other NCAA sport rewards its conference champion, and I'd like to see conference championships carry more weight. In every other place besides FBS football, the MAC level champ is valued the same as a P5 champ.
Not that this would really impact who would actually win the whole thing. I'm not so wishful to actually believe that a Ball State, San Jose State, or Coastal Carolina could do it.
Bc football is a different sport where talent is more important. It’s a lot easier to pull off an upset in basketball or baseball. You’re never going to see Liberty beat Bama, it’s not going to happen.I'm all for 8 or 12. Would prefer 8 but 12 is way better than 4
Every other sport in NCAA allows non power 5 teams a shot to win it all. Coastal Carolina ,rice etc win baseball. Akron and marshall win soccer. UNLV and butler types can get to finals or win them in basketball.
So why should major football have a system where a non power 5 never gets a shot ?
On top of that , the bowl games are meaningless now. Players rest for the draft and nobody cares about them. Better to have more meaningful football games.
This should also allow for more power 5 mega regular season matchups. And also give the best non power 5 more shots at the power 5 programs who dodge them to schedule cupcakes like Akron instead
This would be great for the sport because there is still incentive to win your conference, non conference matchups should improve and everyone has a shot to compete for the title
Well if you never give teams a shot , it surely won't ever happen ..Bc football is a different sport where talent is more important. It’s a lot easier to pull off an upset in basketball or baseball. You’re never going to see Liberty beat Bama, it’s not going to happen.
They don’t deserve a shot, they’re not good enough.Well if you never give teams a shot , it surely won't ever happen ..
I'd rather see the non power 5 at least have a shot. Right now my school Florida Atlantic can crush our conference and then get a bowl game vs Akron as a reward ... At least if we have a special season once every 50 years we'd have a shot to advance . Playoffs is better than a junk bowl game
You also ignored the rest of my post. And ignored that a team seeded 5-9 from a major conference could routinely win a game or 2 and cause shakeups in the playoffs
It's way better for the game to have 8 or 12 than 4