McMurphy
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It is just another virus. I believe the flu is a virus also. So yes we are going to compare.Please keep comparing this to the flu.
It is just another virus. I believe the flu is a virus also. So yes we are going to compare.Please keep comparing this to the flu.
Why not?Please keep comparing this to the flu.
I wouldn't compare it to anything, as it's a completely new virus. Drawing direct comparisons between 2 diseases, despite mortality statistics being collected by different methods, will always provide inaccurate information. But that seems to be the flavor of choice on this board.What else would you compare it to? The Black Plague or Ebola?
You are aware that most of the mitigation efforts undertaken against ciovid19 came directly from what we do to fight the flu. In the absence of solid data on the covid19 the flu makes for a good surrogate.
The flu is also a highly contagious virus that kills people every year. Comparing it's virulence & progression over the decades to covid19 is a great way to sharpen and attenuate our response to covid19. It provides all important perspective on how we handle this outbreak.
Have at it. To each their own. I just happen to find it an odd comparison.It is just another virus. I believe the flu is a virus also. So yes we are going to compare.
Agreed, when it doesn't fit your narrative it is odd.Have at it. To each their own. I just happen to find it an odd comparison.
You could probably compare it to SARS to since it's basically just a new, more easily spread version of that.I wouldn't compare it to anything, as it's a completely new virus. Drawing direct comparisons between 2 diseases, despite mortality statistics being collected by different methods, will always provide inaccurate information. But that seems to be the flavor of choice on this board.
I wouldn't compare it to anything, as it's a completely new virus. Drawing direct comparisons between 2 diseases, despite mortality statistics being collected by different methods, will always provide inaccurate information. But that seems to be the flavor of choice on this board.
Show me a curve with the flu that matches the hospitalizations in Texas.Kind of like if people are exposed to the flu and die right?
Um, what's my narrative relating to a new virus? I can't wait to hear the answer. ?Agreed, when it doesn't fit your narrative it is odd.
Keeping everyone inside, the economy down, and mail in ballots. You need to read the Left playbook. It is the topic dujour after the other attempts on Trump have failed. The best reason is to keep the feeble, senile guy in the basement.Um, what's my narrative relating to a new virus? I can't wait to hear the answer. ?
Show me all the deaths in Texas from corona.Show me a curve with the flu that matches the hospitalizations in Texas.
Then we should stop acting like it is.Of course it's not the black plague.
I thought we were talking about COVID-19? I mean, that's what I was discussing. But I see you want to share conspiracy theories now? <yawn>Keeping everyone inside, the economy down, and mail in ballots. You need to read the Left playbook. It is the topic dujour after the other attempts on Trump have failed. The best reason is to keep the feeble, senile guy in the basement.
Who's 'we'? I'm not acting like it. Write a letter to your Congressman, or Congresswoman if you're so concerned?Then we should stop acting like it is.
We are and those are reasons everyone on the Left is losing their minds....Again keep up or I'll have Harry try to explain it to you.I thought we were talking about COVID-19? I mean, that's what I was discussing. But I see you want to share conspiracy theories now? <yawn>
You have now said two completely different things. After claiming that the infection rise has not led to more hospitalization and death, you now spin to say that it is better to just get the death over with sooner rather than later. You are a hypocritical fraud who has been wrong for months on this subject.And do you think that continuing the shut down while providing exemptions to mass gatherings for certain political causes was actually going to PERMANENTLY reduce the # of infections? All it would have done is stretch out the time until we hit the same # of infections and deaths.
And since our hospitals and health care system is not in danger of being overwhelmed it's better to reopen, take the infection hit and get to herd immunity or a vaccine. At least in this way we avoid the massive collateral damage of the shut don. Collateral damage that you and others always forget to include.
I love the unintended irony.You have now said two completely different things. After claiming that the infection rise has not led to more hospitalization and death, you now spin to say that it is better to just get the death over with sooner rather than later. You are a hypocritical fraud who has been wrong for months on this subject.
You have now said two completely different things. After claiming that the infection rise has not led to more hospitalization and death, you now spin to say that it is better to just get the death over with sooner rather than later. You are a hypocritical fraud who has been wrong for months on this subject.
I'm not losing my mind, but thanks for the concern. Aside from genuine empathy for those who have lost jobs and/or businesses, been furloughed, suffered financially, and have been medically (physically/mentally) impacted, I've been able to navigate things without whining, complaining, and spinning political conspiracy theories. My current favorite around here is that because I wear a mask when it makes sense, the boxcars are coming for us all! <stands and slow claps>We are and those are reasons everyone on the Left is losing their minds....Again keep up or I'll have Harry try to explain it to you.
Then congrats to you. You may have just evolved from the Left'm not losing my mind, but thanks for the concern. Aside from genuine empathy for those who have lost jobs and/or businesses, been furloughed, suffered financially, and have been medically (physically/mentally) impacted, I've been able to navigate things without whining, complaining, and spinning political conspiracy theories.
You spew double talk. Slowing down the rate of infection will lead to fewer deaths. For no other reason than less dearth prior to a vaccine will mean less death period. It is common sense. The real truth in this entire debacle is how horribly this this was botched from the beginning.You're losing your edge in the GOTCHA game ProV. I've always said that more cases will lead to more deaths in the absolute. The important parameter was whether the % of new people getting infected who die is going up or going down. Ditto for hospitalizations. Of course with hospitalization you're dealing with the profit motive which is causing many of them to lower their covid10 entrance criteria. But that's another discussion.
My point about your idiotic post was that maintaining the lock down was not needed to flatten the curve and peserve our hospital infrastructure as that has already been achieved. The only outcomes from maintaining the lock down are:
* Slow down the rate of infection but in the end the same number of infections and deaths will occur.
* Create collateral damage on a colossal scale.
You spew double talk. Slowing down the rate of infection will lead to fewer deaths you idiot. For no other reason than less dearth prior to a vaccine will mean less death period. It is common sense. The real truth in this entire debacle is how horribly this this was botched from the beginning.
This is ONLY true if you slow it down long enough for a treatment or vaccine to arrive or for the virus to naturally weaken. But if all you're doing is pushing it out a few months, and so far that's the best the mitigation has achieved, then the total # of people who die from covid19 will be about the same. One scenario just takes a couple of more months to reach.
And again you ignore the serious collateral damage any lock down will cause. Say you lock down until we get the vaccine. And say that takes a year. The # of deaths attributable to the lock down will be far greater then any increased deaths caused by reopening.
You seem oblivious to the pubic health calamity the recent shut down has been. Extending it would have been deeply irresponsible and potentially apocalyptic.
No one is suggesting unlimited lockdowns or wants them . Is there a precedent you can point to that says just how disastrous the initial lockdown was or the second shut downs are and will be in terms of death and despair? Not saying there isn't any , of course there is just as there is going to be more deaths by fully opening as we have seen. Long term lockdowns aren't sustainable in any way and you seem to arguing with the strawman here.
I bet you question whether smoking is hazardous to your health to.
And if you want to look at lock down pathology there is a lag from when you shut down to when you see the problems, but we do know that:
* Increased poverty leads to increased adverse health events.
* Delayed diagnostics and elective surgery lead to increased adverse health events.
* The longer people are under stress the greater the adverse health events.
* We've already seen a spike in suicides as peoples dreams are washed away by the irresponsible shut downs.
* The damage to our kids with the shut down of the schools and extracurricular activities will be huge if we don't fully reopen in the fall.
But hey if you don't think poverty isn't directly linked to adverse health events then yes it's just a straw man. But if it's a straw man why do we spend so much money fighting poverty?