Will Chagrin Valley conference expand more?
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MentorGrad2002
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I thought Rootstown was already added ?
Hard to keep track of anymore
Guessing Eastlake North and Willoughby South?
Freak Hands
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Weird having Rootstown in the CVC since technically they aren't actually located in the actual chagrin river valley. It stops in Mantua. Close enough though.
topperbounce
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I would imagine Chardon is throwing their hat in the ring. It’s literally the only option they have.
Do I want them in the CVC, no. But it’s realistically the only option for them.
It would be fine for all sports with the exception of football.
Do I want them in the CVC, no. But it’s realistically the only option for them.
It would be fine for all sports with the exception of football.
reganaustinjames
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CVC wants no part of Chardon. The only reason they're even talking to the Eastlake/Willoughby schools is their lack of competitiveness. Chardon is a victim of their own success, much like another program alluded to earlier in this thread... Mogadore. Both appear doomed to independence for at least the foreseeable future.
topperbounce
Defend the Hill
I get it, but the CVC is letting Chardon pitch their case. I agree, independence looks like the direction this is going.
Other than the GCC, which Chardon wants no part of, the only real possibility other than independent is the CVC.
BlackandGold
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What is your ideal conference for Chardon?
Personally, I hope the CVC takes all 3 schools. Chardon's enrollment aligns nicely with the rest of the CVC.
In football, matchups with Perry, Kirtland, and Geneva would be exciting, which is the same number of competitive matchups Chardon was getting in the WRC (Kenston, Riverside, sometimes Mayfield).
reganaustinjames
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Chardon at least makes geographic sense for the CVC, which as mentioned in this thread, has similar enrollment to several nearby schools in the league. I don't see them getting added for football, but they could at least be an all-other-sports option.
There is no earthly reason the CVC would ever add Mogadore. Bad competitive fit; even worse enrollment and geographic fit. Rootstown is nearby, but they're only a one-year stop-gap for now. Mogadore is stuck; they're like Lucas, but in Northeast Ohio instead of near Mansfield.
There is no earthly reason the CVC would ever add Mogadore. Bad competitive fit; even worse enrollment and geographic fit. Rootstown is nearby, but they're only a one-year stop-gap for now. Mogadore is stuck; they're like Lucas, but in Northeast Ohio instead of near Mansfield.
MentorGrad2002
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This is part of what is wrong with high school sports with some schools
Chardon fits the geography. They fit the enrollment. They have all the sports. They have a great community
But because they are good at football they will be left out? And with the CVC, it makes little sense. They already have Perry and Kirtland. By that rationale, those two should be booted out
Carol Danvers
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Agreed. The CVC lets Richmond Hts and Lutheran West play independent schedules in basketball. Maybe that's the answer for Chardon football.
MentorGrad2002
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Just add Chardon, North and South. Put them in a football division with Perry, kirtland , Geneva and West G. Works fine.
Riverside can go to the GCC
Screw that, they are still too big. They might lack competitiveness in football but they will dominate in other sports tho. I think they would
Be bigger by at least 120 compared to the current biggest school i believe
maybe, just maybe the original CVC members like perry and kirtland never wanted to join the pac conference in the first place..:
You really think Rootstown competition wise and closer than Mogadore??
Mogadore to Kirtland basically same as Rootstown to Kirtland. Mogadore closer to Fairview Park than Rootstown by 10 miles. Mogadore to Mantua, previously in same league. Mogadore to Rootstown, previously same league and closet. Mogadore to Berkshire, not bad I thinking maybe 35-40. Guess they don't want Mogadore because of traditional football program and they already have Kirtland.
BlackandGold
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North and South are not dominating the CVC schools in athletics. In fact, all you have to do is take a look at the max prep schedules for North and South sports like volleyball, basketball, soccer, baseball, and softball and see that they are probably below .500 when competing against CVC schools in out of conference contests.
footballsalads43
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I know my personal opinion doesn’t matter, but I think Chardon Belongs in the CVC. It makes sense to me.
Only other viable option is the GCC, but unless they split into two and add some smaller schools, that’s not happening.
Only other viable option is the GCC, but unless they split into two and add some smaller schools, that’s not happening.
topperbounce
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I really don’t have one at this point because of the geography. I just don’t like the CVC for “larger schools.”
I know it’s probably wrong, but I’ve felt the larger schools that have joined are conceding they can’t compete in football (Lakeside, Geneva, West G). If we join Chardon greatly reduces competitive games on their schedule.
I would imagine it would be Chardon, Geneva, Lakeside, Weat G, Lutheran West, North, and South. Not the ideal competition for continued success.
Don’t get me wrong, the CVC is a perfect match for all other sports for Chardon, just not football.
For those that say it works for Kirtland, it’s slightly different in DVI. The depth of quality teams is greatly different. Kirtland is legit and could very well beat Chardon, but the conference does us no good for football.
reganaustinjames
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Also, maybe this is just my offseason brain wandering here, but... what if we're looking at this the wrong way? Rather than viewing how the CVC could expand, what if we're not thinking of how it could contract? I'm gonna go rabbit-hole here, but bear with me...
What's stopping the Lake division schools (Geneva, Edgewood, Lakeside, Jefferson, Conneaut, and Madison) from getting Harvey and Perry to join them and re-form the Northeastern Conference? Perry would likely dominate football, but they're all D3-D4 enrollment and geographically close. Many of these schools struggled in the last years of, and first few years after, the NEC folded, so there could be incentive.
Also, what's stopping the Metro division (Wickliffe, Trinity, Cuy Hts, Independence, Beachwood, and Brooklyn) from grabbing Fairview (who is in an awful travel situation in the Valley) and Richmond Heights and re-forming the MAC-8 in some form? Travel wouldn't be much of a problem there either.
If the above were to happen, Hawken would likely go independent again and Lutheran West would lobby hard to join the North Coast Conference.
So where would that leave the others? Would they find some way to make a merger with the NE Athletic Conference and form a big-small that way? Would Orange and West G make a scheduling arrangement with North and South? Lots of directions this could go.
Point I'm making is this: super-conferences almost always unravel at some point (except for the Ohio Capital, which is basically same-sized Columbus outer-ring suburbs who find ways to shift divisions); the size and geographic disparities here make that likely here too.
What's stopping the Lake division schools (Geneva, Edgewood, Lakeside, Jefferson, Conneaut, and Madison) from getting Harvey and Perry to join them and re-form the Northeastern Conference? Perry would likely dominate football, but they're all D3-D4 enrollment and geographically close. Many of these schools struggled in the last years of, and first few years after, the NEC folded, so there could be incentive.
Also, what's stopping the Metro division (Wickliffe, Trinity, Cuy Hts, Independence, Beachwood, and Brooklyn) from grabbing Fairview (who is in an awful travel situation in the Valley) and Richmond Heights and re-forming the MAC-8 in some form? Travel wouldn't be much of a problem there either.
If the above were to happen, Hawken would likely go independent again and Lutheran West would lobby hard to join the North Coast Conference.
So where would that leave the others? Would they find some way to make a merger with the NE Athletic Conference and form a big-small that way? Would Orange and West G make a scheduling arrangement with North and South? Lots of directions this could go.
Point I'm making is this: super-conferences almost always unravel at some point (except for the Ohio Capital, which is basically same-sized Columbus outer-ring suburbs who find ways to shift divisions); the size and geographic disparities here make that likely here too.
BlackandGold
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I’ll believe it when I see it. For now, the CVC is thriving with schools wanting in.
BlackandGold
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Fairview shifts to the Metro division next year.
reganaustinjames
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I think you're dead wrong. We're only a couple steps away from the CVC becoming something resembling the dysfunctional cluster-you-know-what that is the OVAC. Do you think anyone wants that? When there get to be too many mouths to feed, people split off. High school conference realignment has a litany of examples.
BlackandGold
RollSide
Maybe. But I’m just an unbiased observer.
How long has the CVC been going? And when was their last steep decline in membership?
reganaustinjames
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Remember 1996?
Prior to that year, there had been a stable 13-year lineup of Chagrin Falls, Chardon, Kenston, Orange, Solon, Twinsburg, West Geauga, and Wickliffe. Chardon announced they were going independent and the others except Chagrin Falls and Wickliffe teamed up with the original Metro conference out of Akron to form the Western Reserve Conference (1996-2007 version; not the same as the one we have today). The CVC was left for dead, until they raided the then-East Suburban Conference of Berkshire, Kirtland, Cardinal, and Perry, poached Aurora from the MAC-8 and grabbed an independent Hawken.
Point is: anything can happen.
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BlackandGold
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No I don’t. But I think the CVC has been around longer 96.
It sounds like the CVC has been bending but not breaking for a long time.
Until I see otherwise, I have no reason to doubt it’ll continue thriving.
reganaustinjames
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And wasn't the WRC "thriving" until not too long ago?
BlackandGold
RollSide
No. The WRC in any rendition doesn’t seem to last long at all lol
topperbounce
Defend the Hill
Chardon did not decide to go independent, they were kicked out of the CVC in ‘96.