Week 1: Pickerington North

PURPLE REIGN said:
In his defense, he gutted it out and almost carried them on one leg to victory.

But is wasn’t just his running, he was getting hit nearly every time he dropped back. Some passes were short or off target, but he almost always had a big d lineman about to level him. That type of pounding is not sustainable.
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The play of the OL was really disappointing. They’re supposed to be a team strength but they did not play up to par.
 
2 yrs ago, it was ok to see them struggle. It was a young team without many Sr starters. This yr was supposed to be a yr where they looked to be a serious contender and after just 1 game, they look like a 3-5 win team. And given how weak the Soph class is, it’s hard to feel like there’s much to look forward to the next 2 yrs.
 
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Omar said:
This yr was supposed to be a yr where they looked to be a serious contender and after just 1 game, they look like a 3-5 win team.
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According to who?

There have been several posters over the years that have said Elder is going to take a back seat after the 2023s leave because of significantly weaker feeder classes that are coming in. That has played out as being true up to this point.

Fortunately, they have gotten some younger athletes outside of the westside feeders. Will it be enough over the next 2-3 years with the lack of foundation from the feeders? I'm not sure.

The feeders classes coming in the next couple of years don't really stick out either, outside of some kids at Visitation, and some of them are X kids. It may be a rough 3-5 year stretch without some difference making outside talent.
 
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Omar said:
9 starters back on D is what concerns me. I have a lot of faith in Elder’s D, but I don’t know about the Offense.
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PN had 9 starters back on defense and Elder put up 35 points. I think your offensive concerns were all for not. I thought Elder offense did a good job overall aside from a few mistakes. They also lost their starting RT on their first series which hurt. Luckily, Elder has a good backup that will do even better with a full week of practice as the starter.
 
ElderHSfan02 said:
PN had 9 starters back on defense and Elder put up 35 points. I think your offensive concerns were all for not. I thought Elder offense did a good job overall aside from a few mistakes. They also lost their starting RT on their first series which hurt. Luckily, Elder has a good backup that will do even better with a full week of practice as the starter.
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The final point total doesn’t tell the whole story. Do you expect Mirus to make multiple circus catches every game? The inability to run the ball is a massive issue.
 
Omar said:
The final point total doesn’t tell the whole story. Do you expect Mirus to make multiple circus catches every game? The inability to run the ball is a massive issue.
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Elder returned 3 starters on offense from last year. Pickerington North returned 9 starters on defense. What did you expect? It will take a little more time for the offense to build that cohesiveness. All of that, and they still put up 35 points. I will give you the lack of a running game is an issue, but Ramsey game planned for it I think and they were able to move the ball and score 35. Elder lost the turnover battle, and in a tight game that can be the difference. The good news Elder can get a ton better, and I think they will.
 
ElderHSfan02 said:
Elder returned 3 starters on offense from last year. Pickerington North returned 9 starters on defense. What did you expect? It will take a little more time for the offense to build that cohesiveness. All of that, and they still put up 35 points. I will give you the lack of a running game is an issue, but Ramsey game planned for it I think and they were able to move the ball and score 35. Elder lost the turnover battle, and in a tight game that can be the difference. The good news Elder can get a ton better, and I think they will.
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You’re coping. The lack of a run game is going to be a major, major hindrance until Meier returns.

Mirus is legit, but it’s not realistic to think he’ll be able to play at that level every game.
 
And the lack of run game makes it even more perplexing as to why Harmeling wasn’t involved more. He was essentially the entire JV offense last yr and he’s their one Skill player with speed.
 
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Omar said:
And the lack of run game makes it even more perplexing as to why Harmeling wasn’t involved more. He was essentially the entire JV offense last yr and he’s their one Skill player with speed.
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You complain about small RBs not being able to do anything at the varsity level, but then demand a kid that's barely 150 lbs. be a focal point? How is he any different than the small and fast RBs they already have out there?
 
And Harmeling isn’t a traditional RB. He plays an ATH position. He’s best getting the ball on Jet Sweeps & Screens. Not surprised you had no knowledge of that, you’re only here to cause chaos.
 
Omar said:
Remember how Trey said he would leave the forum?
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Just pointing out your consistent inconsistencies. Is that not a legit question based on how you rambled on for a week about their RBs not being big enough? Yet the savior is a 150lb kid?

So I guess it's ok to be small if it's a kid that you said would be good.
 
ElderHSfan02 said:
Elder returned 3 starters on offense from last year. Pickerington North returned 9 starters on defense. What did you expect? It will take a little more time for the offense to build that cohesiveness. All of that, and they still put up 35 points. I will give you the lack of a running game is an issue, but Ramsey game planned for it I think and they were able to move the ball and score 35. Elder lost the turnover battle, and in a tight game that can be the difference. The good news Elder can get a ton better, and I think they will.
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Elder could not stop an elite back
 
Some of got it EHS 2001 is right. No fumble at 2 yd line could have meant a big difference in game after the INT. However the OL was inconsistent and the right side edge struggled even with Wiedner playing a very good game.
The difference was the front 7. Not all but most of them. I was very unimpressed with the LBs either with bad reads usually in the same spot most of them time and lack of aggressiveness. Way to maybe times we were not in position to even make a play or cover gaps then other times we had LBs either unsure of their role or just lost. Not really sure but you guys watched the same game I did. I thought 11 played well and got his nose in on as many plays possible. RB spot is open tryout from my opinion not excluding a current LB that can move and back his spot flaw needed. Good luck to Goettke and healthy recovery.
 
I did not go to the game due to another commitment. I understand that there was some sweetie in the stands near the 50 yard line who kept yelling insults about the coaches and players, especially the quarterback. Of course there were members of the coaches and the quaterback's family in close proximity. This guy was a total asshat. I wonder if it was anyone from this board.
 
Purplemojo said:
I did not go to the game due to another commitment. I understand that there was some sweetie in the stands near the 50 yard line who kept yelling insults about the coaches and players, especially the quarterback. Of course there were members of the coaches and the quaterback's family in close proximity. This guy was a total asshat. I wonder if it was anyone from this board.
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Nope, wasn’t me.
 
Purplemojo said:
I did not go to the game due to another commitment. I understand that there was some sweetie in the stands near the 50 yard line who kept yelling insults about the coaches and players, especially the quarterback. Of course there were members of the coaches and the quaterback's family in close proximity. This guy was a total asshat. I wonder if it was anyone from this board.
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I'll never understand that with some fans or parents. Just root the team on or root your kid on. There's no need to be critical of the players or someone else's kid during the game and bringing everyone down around you. Every player on that field will make mistakes. Then, you have the arm chair quarterbacks that like to yell at Ramsey's play calling. How is that helping at all? Were you there every practice all summer? You got to put trust in the coaches.
 
Purplemojo said:
I did not go to the game due to another commitment. I understand that there was some sweetie in the stands near the 50 yard line who kept yelling insults about the coaches and players, especially the quarterback. Of course there were members of the coaches and the quaterback's family in close proximity. This guy was a total asshat. I wonder if it was anyone from this board.
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Were there any consequences for this?

Did the people around him usher him out of the stadium?

I'm actually serious. This type of behavior, especially berating a player, and to add to that family and friends were around, is grounds to be kicked out. It's completely uncalled for. He shouldn't be allowed back.

I would hope many people around him told him to sit his a** down.
 
ElderHSfan02 said:
I'll never understand that with some fans or parents. Just root the team on or root your kid on. There's no need to be critical of the players or someone else's kid during the game and bringing everyone down around you. Every player on that field will make mistakes. Then, you have the arm chair quarterbacks that like to yell at Ramsey's play calling. How is that helping at all? Were you there every practice all summer? You got to put trust in the coaches.
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Well said. This past weekend at my son's youth game, a parent was yelling about the playcalling, I calmly turned around and offered up my clipboard with the play sheet asking if they'd like to come show me how to do it properly. They just sheepishly sat down right away. We were getting shellacked by a team that just physically beat us up. The QB was getting hit before he could even hand the ball off or take a 3 step drop for a pass. It happens, get over it.

Again, these are kids, even at high school. As you said, kids are going to mess up, and mess up a lot, especially with it being week 1 and against a solid opponent. Plays aren't called just willy-nilly on the spot. There's so much that goes into the game planning that people don't even begin to realize. Hours upon hours of film study, learning strengths & weaknesses of a team, learning their tendencies, and learning their scheme. Then you can figure out...... based off of their defensive scheme, if we do this, they will certainly do this. And then you can create mismatches and put the opponent in a situation they don't want to be in. Then you get your big plays. You also have self-scouting, where you do the same thing, but for yourself. You then try to break your own tendencies and find creative ways around your weaknesses.

Many times when people are complaining about the play calling, they don't know how the play is supposed to look, or the purpose. Plays that don't seem like much are used to set up something else later on in a drive or in the game. Even more often, plays could have gone for TDs but something happened.....kid ran wrong route, kid tripped, an block was missed, lost the ball in the lights, etc.

The point is, I have no idea why anyone criticizes play calling at the high school level and younger. These are kids. If you really want to see certain things run, I suggest you get yourself a whistle and block out the same amount of time as a second full time job and start coaching, that way you can get your plays you want in.
 
Doublehelix said:
Were there any consequences for this?

Did the people around him usher him out of the stadium?

I'm actually serious. This type of behavior, especially berating a player, and to add to that family and friends were around, is grounds to be kicked out. It's completely uncalled for. He shouldn't be allowed back.

I would hope many people around him told him to sit his a** down.
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Unfortunately, probably zero consequence. I've heard this type of behavior at about every game I go to these days.
 
cincifbfan said:
Unfortunately, probably zero consequence. I've heard this type of behavior at about every game I go to these days.
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This is where fans need to take things into their own hands. There is no one in that stadium that should tolerate a fan berating a player, and that includes the visiting team players.
 
cincifbfan said:
Again, these are kids, even at high school.
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This is all especially true at the youth and high-school levels. It takes a really bad person to verbally wear out youth and high-school players and/or coaches. I also think it's weak AF to verbally attack college and pro athletes too because in 100 percent of circumstances, the azzhat fan can not do anything close to what the athlete or coach can do.

Just watch the game, be entertained or inspired, enjoy yourself and move on to the next thing in your life.
 
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