Ukraine Whistleblower

JcksnPlrBrs2002 said:
Sooo, this is admittedly kind of a "chicken or the egg" question, but... ...do you guys get the sillier stuff from the crank sites directly, or do you just end up on them because that's the only sort of thing that comes up in search results when you go hunting for the correct "news" to "confirm" the kind of thing that you were already hoping for?
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Like which came first, our intelligence agencies and Hillary colluding with foreigners to over-through Trump or the media reporting Russian collusion as fact?
Looks like you should have been following my links from this site and others as they have been spot on while you were being fed a steady diet of fake news.
I know you have been programmed to say "conspiracy theory" right now but just take a deep breath and follow the very simple logic proven facts.
 
Happygoluckky said:
If the call was perfect and there was no quid pro quo, then why not let Sondland testify? Doesn’t the WH want the truth out? (I kid)
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Vote first, dumbazz.

Once 218 Representatives out themselves as anti-Trumpers, your game can begin.

Go ahead, show your faces to your constituents, haters. Who are the anti-American Congressional Representatives that want to pizz on the will of the People ? Who puts Partisan politics over all ?
 
No ability for minority party to subpoena, no opportunity for Republicans to examine witnesses. No involvement of Trump/WH counsel. No due process whatsoever. Failure to follow precedents established in every prior impeachment. Further violation of Trump's constitutional rights. The Democrats are an out of control, lawless mob, but, unfortunately, they still have the media to do their bidding.
 
Does a C-SPAN Video Show Joe Biden ‘Confessing to Bribery’?
The U.S. may have pushed for the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor, but not for the reasons implied in a video clip.
Bethania Palma Published 9 October 2019

As an impeachment inquiry into U.S. President Donald Trump’s actions commenced in October 2019, so did partisan invocations of whataboutism — a logical fallacy that involves “a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.”

One example of such was a video clip posted to C-SPAN’s website on Sept. 21, 2019 under the title “Joe Biden Confesses to Bribery.” The video was accompanied by a caption reading “Former Vice President Joe Biden confesses to being in charge of Ukraine for the Obama Administration, and withholding $1 billion in loan guarantees from the USA to force Ukraine to fire prosecutor who was looking into the company that Hunter Biden was receiving $83,000+ PER MONTH from”:

The user-created clip fostered a false impression by pairing a misleading caption with an excerpt from a much longer video with no context. (The video carries a statement from C-SPAN noting that “This clip, title, and description were not created by C-SPAN.”)

President Trump has been accused by a whistleblower, and is under a House-led impeachment inquiry, for allegedly attempting to coerce Ukraine into provide damaging information on Trump political rival Joe Biden by withholding crucial military aid from that country. The video on C-SPAN’s website attempted to show Biden, a potential political rival for the presidency in 2020, admitting to a parallel wrongdoing during a trip to Ukraine in 2016:

www.snopes.com

Does a C-SPAN Video Show Joe Biden 'Confessing to Bribery'?

The U.S. may have pushed for the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor, but not for the reasons implied in a video clip.
www.snopes.com www.snopes.com
 
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President Trump has been accused by a whistleblower, and is under a House-led impeachment inquiry, for allegedly attempting to coerce Ukraine into provide damaging information on Trump political rival Joe Biden by withholding crucial military aid from that country. The video on C-SPAN’s website attempted to show Biden, a potential political rival for the presidency in 2020, admitting to a parallel wrongdoing during a trip to Ukraine in 2016:

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A "whistleblower" with no direct knowledge of the call...… anywhere else in the world that would be called a rumor-monger. We know various Democrats have threatened to vote against aid if Ukraine didn't help in the Mueller probe, we know Democrats have threatened Israel with a reduction of aid if they didn't change their policies (in opposition to official US policy), we also know Democrats have blocked various proposals and policies and appointments by President Trump in order to embarrass a political opponent...….. isn't that the same?
 
SWMCinci said:
... anywhere else in the world that would be called a rumor-monger. We know various Democrats have threatened to vote against aid if Ukraine didn't help in the Mueller probe, we know Democrats have threatened Israel with a reduction of aid if they didn't change their policies (in opposition to official US policy), we also know Democrats have blocked various proposals and policies and appointments by President Trump in order to embarrass a political opponent...….. isn't that the same?
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This was an Impeachable Offense ...
Obama admin. sent taxpayer money to campaign to oust Netanyahu
The State Department paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayers grants to an Israeli group that used the money to build a campaign to oust Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in last year’s Israeli parliamentary elections, a congressional investigation concluded

www.washingtontimes.com

Obama admin. sent taxpayer money to campaign to oust Netanyahu

The State Department paid hundreds of thousands of dollars in taxpayers grants to an Israeli group that used the money to build a campaign to oust Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in last year’s Israeli parliamentary elections, a congressional investigation concluded Tuesday.
www.washingtontimes.com www.washingtontimes.com
 
Qcity said:
The dem's primary witness, the president of Ukraine, just told reporters there was NO WRONGDOING.


Case closed.
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You mean the guy that was threatened with the quid pro quo? Yes. He is wise hell trump may get on a phone call with vlad and set up a plan for a ukrainian attack....unpredictability is his 5D Chess.
 
Democrat and MSM accusation: Trump said; "Investigate or we withhold money."

Money was released, there was no investigation.

Why is this so hard for the media and Democrats to understand. There was no quid pro quo. There was no crime. Every person from the United States and Ukraine that was directly involved says there was nothing wrong.

Again:
Investigate or we withhold money. Money was released, there was no investigation. These two things cannot coexist.
 
Call transcript released proving "whistleblower" did not have the facts correct or his story straight.

Case Closed; unless you're a democrat jackarse wanting to invent crimes and prosecute people because you hate them.



Mind numbing.
 
Happygoluckky said:
Does a C-SPAN Video Show Joe Biden ‘Confessing to Bribery’?
The U.S. may have pushed for the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor, but not for the reasons implied in a video clip.
Bethania Palma Published 9 October 2019

As an impeachment inquiry into U.S. President Donald Trump’s actions commenced in October 2019, so did partisan invocations of whataboutism — a logical fallacy that involves “a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.”

One example of such was a video clip posted to C-SPAN’s website on Sept. 21, 2019 under the title “Joe Biden Confesses to Bribery.” The video was accompanied by a caption reading “Former Vice President Joe Biden confesses to being in charge of Ukraine for the Obama Administration, and withholding $1 billion in loan guarantees from the USA to force Ukraine to fire prosecutor who was looking into the company that Hunter Biden was receiving $83,000+ PER MONTH from”:

The user-created clip fostered a false impression by pairing a misleading caption with an excerpt from a much longer video with no context. (The video carries a statement from C-SPAN noting that “This clip, title, and description were not created by C-SPAN.”)

President Trump has been accused by a whistleblower, and is under a House-led impeachment inquiry, for allegedly attempting to coerce Ukraine into provide damaging information on Trump political rival Joe Biden by withholding crucial military aid from that country. The video on C-SPAN’s website attempted to show Biden, a potential political rival for the presidency in 2020, admitting to a parallel wrongdoing during a trip to Ukraine in 2016:

www.snopes.com

Does a C-SPAN Video Show Joe Biden 'Confessing to Bribery'?

The U.S. may have pushed for the firing of a Ukrainian prosecutor, but not for the reasons implied in a video clip.
www.snopes.com www.snopes.com
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So the video we've all seen of Joe Biden extorting Ukraine didn't really happen?
 
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Hammerdrill said:
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In rendering Congressional testimony as a part of REAL Impeachment Inquiry, can either an eyewitness or a "hearsay witness" be found guilty of perjury ? If so, who is it that determines the penalty ?

Anybody know ?

I have to admit that I paid no attention to the W.J. Clinton Impeachment. Once that thing degenerated into chasing after pecker tracks, they lost me.
 
lotr10 said:
Say it ain't so Joe!

en.interfax.com.ua

Burisma paid Joe Biden $900,000 for lobbying – Ukrainian MP

KYIV. Oct 9 (Interfax-Ukraine) – Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.
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Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden received $900,000 for lobbying activities from Burisma Group, Ukraine's Verkhovna Rada member Andriy Derkach said citing investigation materials.

Derkach publicized documents which, as he said, "describe the mechanism of getting money by Biden Sr." at a press conference at Interfax-Ukraine's press center in Kyiv on Wednesday.

"This was the transfer of Burisma Group's funds for lobbying activities, as investigators believe, personally to Joe Biden through a lobbying company. Funds in the amount of $900,000 were transferred to the U.S.-based company Rosemont Seneca Partners, which according to open sources, in particular, the New York Times, is affiliated with Biden. The payment reference was payment for consultative services," Derkach said.

He also publicized sums that were transferred to Burisma Group representatives, in particular Hunter Biden, a son of the former U.S. vice president.


Wait, wasn't it just a few days ago that Biden swore he never even met anyone from the Burisma group???
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You're quoting the Ukraine news agency....LOL...
 
To be clear the "whistle blower" is not a whistle blower. He is a CIA operative with extensive ties to the democrats including having worked with VP Biden on multiple trips to the Ukraine. This goes beyond an "are you kidding me"!

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Joe Biden worked with whistleblower when he was vice president, officials reveal - Washington Examiner

The 2020 Democratic candidate with whom the CIA whistleblower had a "professional" tie is Joe Biden, according to intelligence officers and former White House officials.Lawyers for the whistleblower said he had worked only "in the executive branch." The Washington Examiner has established that...
www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com


As an experienced CIA official on the NSC with the deep knowledge of Ukraine that he demonstrated in his complaint, it is probable that the whistleblower briefed Biden and likely that he accompanied him on Air Force Two during at least one of the six visits the 2020 candidate made to the country.

A former Trump administration official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss intelligence matters, said Biden’s work on foreign affairs brought him into close proximity with the whistleblower either at the CIA or when he was detailed to the White House.


This is looking more & more like an organized attempt to frame President Trump. The audacity of these people is amazing. They've either gone collectively crazy or they're living in terror of what the Barr investigation into the attempted coup is discovering.
 
Bigscarletandgrey said:
How about anyone reputable...

Based on your logic (if you can call it that) we should get our North Korean news from the North Koreans....

Good one...
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The Ukraine has it's problems with corruption. That's why the democrats were attracted to the country. But to compare them to North Korea is silly and displays a profound ignorance of the two country's.
 
lotr10 said:
The Ukraine has it's problems with corruption. That's why the democrats were attracted to the country. But to compare them to North Korea is silly and displays a profound ignorance of the two country's.
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My comment was simply a response to "Who do you quote when talking about the Ukraine?"

Which if you can't understand I can't help you....

I do realize the difference between the 2 countries but obviously you are having trouble grasping the original statement and it's stupidity.
 
Everyday more comes out about Trump and the aid, the quid pro quo the Rudy connection, ect.....

In the end someone will state Trump was just kidding about all of this because that is usually where we land.

Simply put he is dirty and no better than ANY other politician that was before him. He didn't drain any swamps. He is just wading in them as those who came before him did.
 
Bigscarletandgrey said:
Everyday more comes out about Trump and the aid, the quid pro quo the Rudy connection, ect.....

In the end someone will state Trump was just kidding about all of this because that is usually where we land.

Simply put he is dirty and no better than ANY other politician that was before him. He didn't drain any swamps. He is just wading in them as those who came before him did.
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So you admit that Obama and Biden were both corrupt and dirty.... good to know.
 
Indiandad said:
So you admit that Obama and Biden were both corrupt and dirty.... good to know.
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Obviously you were born yesterday....

EVERY politician is corrupt. To what degree is the better question.

Was Obama as corrupt and Trump. I literally laughed out load typing that.... The short answer is No...

The job pays just short of a half million dollars but they spend millions upon millions to get elected only to come out richer than they were going in.

Corrupt? YES.... And that goes doubly for Congress...
 
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