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CometCountry

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OHSAA Basketball should have 5 divisions--coaches association has petitioned for it since the 90's. The big D1 schools have a massive advantage over the smaller D1 schools like Franklin, Turpin, Mt. Healthy, Anderson, Kings etc... when it comes to tourney time. All those schools have strong football teams and can make a playoff push because they are all D2 in football--not sure why basketball can't have 5 divisions--I'm guessing it's a $'s concern to run another division tourney up through Columbus. Thoughts?
 

BucksFan937

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OHSAA Basketball should have 5 divisions--coaches association has petitioned for it since the 90's. The big D1 schools have a massive advantage over the smaller D1 schools like Franklin, Turpin, Mt. Healthy, Anderson, Kings etc... when it comes to tourney time. All those schools have strong football teams and can make a playoff push because they are all D2 in football--not sure why basketball can't have 5 divisions--I'm guessing it's a $'s concern to run another division tourney up through Columbus. Thoughts?
Discussing Franklin there is even more of a disparity between football and basketball. They are D1 in basketball but they are actually D3 in football, and they were 28 boys from being D2, so it wasn't like it was right on the line. I'm not sure the reasoning of not going to more divisions for basketball, but if they did I think it would be a good improvement.
 

cincyhoops

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Even if you double the number of teams in a division it would only add one more round to the tourney for that division. Not a big deal. Use a bell curve. D1 and D4 would probably have smaller amounts of teams. D2 and D3 would have more teams. I’m sure there’s some mathematical formula that could be used to distribute teams so that they are in divisions without such huge differences in enrollment. And then allow anyone who wants to move up to D1 the option to do so.
 
Discussing Franklin there is even more of a disparity between football and basketball. They are D1 in basketball but they are actually D3 in football, and they were 28 boys from being D2, so it wasn't like it was right on the line. I'm not sure the reasoning of not going to more divisions for basketball, but if they did I think it would be a good improvement.
As close to the line as it gets. Franklin was 3 boys away from D2. 40% of the D1 school have more boys than Franklin have boys and girls both.
 
Basketball needs a another division just like football. Look at the gap in D-1
1305 Mason (Mason)
1263 St Ignatius (Cleveland)
1243 Fairfield (Fairfield)
1220 St Xavier (Cincinnati)
1049 Centerville (Centerville)
1041 Hamilton (Hamilton)
1002 Lakota West (West Chester)
1001 Lakota East (Liberty Township)
960 West Clermont (Cincinnati)
959 Beavercreek (Beavercreek)
952 Reynoldsburg (Reynoldsburg)
949 Archbishop Moeller (Cincinnati)
937 Mentor (Mentor)
935 St Edward (Lakewood)
920 Brunswick (Brunswick)
917 Oak Hills (Cincinnati)
893 Gahanna Lincoln (Gahanna)
877 Canton Mckinley Senior (Canton)
873 Lorain (Lorain)
867 Kettering Fairmont (Kettering)
866 Medina (Medina)
842 Springfield (Springfield)
840 Whitmer (Toledo)
835 Olentangy Orange (Lewis Center)
832 Olentangy Liberty (Powell)
818 Springboro (Springboro)
794 Milford (Milford)
788 Dublin Coffman (Dublin)
778 Groveport Madison (Groveport)
765 Elyria (Elyria)
765 Walnut Hills (Cincinnati)
764 Grove City (Grove City)
764 Western Hills (Cincinnati)
762 Westland (Galloway)
757 Wayne (Huber Heights)
755 Newark (Newark)
754 Colerain (Cincinnati)
748 Strongsville (Strongsville)
745 Hilliard Davidson (Hilliard)
735 Lancaster (Lancaster)
734 Glenoak (Canton)
726 Dublin Jerome (Dublin)
720 Berea-Midpark (Berea)
715 Westerville Central (Westerville)
711 Jackson (Massillon)
702 Upper Arlington (Columbus)
700 Pickerington High School Central (Pickerington)
700 Princeton (Cincinnati)
698 Middletown (Middletown)
693 Hilliard Bradley (Hilliard)
691 Start (Toledo)
689 Northmont (Clayton)
685 Thomas Worthington (Worthington)
677 Perrysburg (Perrysburg)
676 Euclid (Euclid)
675 Stow-Munroe Falls (Stow)
668 Cleveland Heights (Cleveland Heights)
666 Lebanon (Lebanon)
662 Marysville (Marysville)
658 Hilliard Darby (Hilliard)
657 Sycamore (Cincinnati)
643 Pickerington High School North (Pickerington)
636 Solon (Solon)
634 Delaware Hayes (Delaware)
632 Miamisburg (Miamisburg)
625 Westerville North (Westerville)
624 Central Crossing (Grove City)
624 Shaker Heights (Shaker Heights)
608 Max S Hayes (Cleveland)
608 New Albany (New Albany)
605 Findlay (Findlay)
598 Bowsher (Toledo)
589 John Marshall School Of Engineering (Cleveland)
588 James Ford Rhodes (Cleveland)
587 Elder (Cincinnati)
579 Hoover (North Canton)
576 Loveland (Loveland)
566 Cuyahoga Falls (Cuyahoga Falls)
564 Austintown-Fitch (Austintown)
557 St Francis De Sales (Toledo)
556 St Charles (Columbus)
556 Westerville South (Westerville)
555 Riverside (Painesville)
551 Boardman (Youngstown)
548 Wadsworth (Wadsworth)
548 Winton Woods (Cincinnati)
545 Anthony Wayne (Whitehouse)
545 Perry (Massillon)
543 Hudson (Hudson)
543 North Royalton (North Royalton)
541 Little Miami (Morrow)
530 Washington (Massillon)
530 Watkins Memorial (Pataskala)
528 Avon (Avon)
528 Franklin Heights (Columbus)
526 Mayfield (Mayfield Village)
523 Firestone (Akron)
523 Troy (Troy)
521 Kings (Kings Mills)
521 Lakewood (Lakewood)
520 Stebbins (Riverside)
519 Steele (Amherst)
517 Edgewood (Trenton)
517 La Salle (Cincinnati)
514 North Ridgeville (N Ridgeville)
513 Sylvania Northview (Sylvania)
511 Dublin Scioto (Dublin)
509 Olmsted Falls (Olmsted Falls)
509 Twinsburg (Twinsburg)
507 Warren G Harding (Warren)
504 Worthington Kilbourne (Columbus)
499 Licking Heights (Pataskala)
498 Brecksville-Broadview Hts (Broadview Heights)
497 Whetstone (Columbus)
494 Barberton (Barberton)
494 North (Eastlake)
492 Briggs (Columbus)
491 Northland (Columbus)
491 Olentangy (Lewis Center)
491 St John's Jesuit (Toledo)
490 Green (Uniontown)
482 Garfield Heights (Garfield Hts)
480 Waite (Toledo)
476 Xenia (Xenia)
475 Mount Vernon (Mount Vernon)
474 Avon Lake (Avon Lake)
472 Lake (Uniontown)
469 Marion Harding (Marion)
467 Olentangy Berlin (Delaware)
467 Walsh Jesuit (Cuyahoga Falls)
466 Parma (Parma)
465 Canal Winchester (Canal Winchester)
464 Archbishop Hoban (Akron)
463 Fairborn (Fairborn)
459 Anderson (Cincinnati)
459 Nordonia (Macedonia)
455 Fremont Ross (Fremont)
453 Teays Valley (Ashville)
452 Springfield (Holland)
450 Logan (Logan)
449 Ellet (Akron)
448 Harrison (Harrison)
448 Turpin (Cincinnati)
447 North Olmsted (North Olmsted)
444 Big Walnut (Sunbury)
442 Clay (Oregon)
440 Sidney (Sidney)
436 Talawanda (Oxford)
436 Valley Forge (Parma Heights)
436 West (Columbus)
432 Maple Heights (Maple Heights)
429 Kenmore-Garfield (Akron)
429 Lima Senior (Lima)
426 Piqua (Piqua)
424 South (Willoughby)
422 Withrow (Cincinnati)
420 Brush (Lyndhurst)
414 Midview (Grafton)
414 Walnut Ridge (Columbus)
412 University School (Hunting Valley)
408 Bedford (Bedford)
406 Highland (Medina)
406 Lakeside (Ashtabula)
404 Mifflin (Columbus)
404 Theodore Roosevelt (Kent)
404 Westlake (Westlake)
400 Wooster (Wooster)
399 North (Akron)
397 West Carrollton (West Carrollton)
388 John Adams (Cleveland)
388 Normandy (Parma)
387 Whitehall-Yearling (Whitehall)
386 Chillicothe (Chillicothe)
384 Madison (Madison)
375 Mount Healthy (Cincinnati)
375 Tecumseh (New Carlisle)
373 Central Catholic (Toledo)
373 Independence (Columbus)
372 Northwest (Cincinnati)
370 Butler (Vandalia)
370 Sylvania Southview (Sylvania)
370 Western Brown (Mount Orab)
368 Alliance (Alliance)
368 Ashland (Ashland)
368 Madison Comprehensive (Mansfield)
367 South (Columbus)
365 Benedictine (Cleveland)
364 Kenston (Chagrin Falls)
362 Goshen (Goshen)
361 Bowling Green (Bowling Green)
360 Franklin (Franklin)
358 Lincoln West School Of Global Studies (Cleveland)
357 Belmont (Dayton)
357 Carroll (Dayton)
357 Dover (Dover)
357 Padua Franciscan (Parma)
356 Harvey (Painesville)
To big of a gap basketball like football needs another division.
 
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OHSAA Basketball should have 5 divisions--coaches association has petitioned for it since the 90's. The big D1 schools have a massive advantage over the smaller D1 schools like Franklin, Turpin, Mt. Healthy, Anderson, Kings etc... when it comes to tourney time. All those schools have strong football teams and can make a playoff push because they are all D2 in football--not sure why basketball can't have 5 divisions--I'm guessing it's a $'s concern to run another division tourney up through Columbus. Thoughts?
Franklin is D-3 in Football!
 
Don't forget about the 9th, 8th and 7th grades. That would make Franklin having the top 5 teams in the league. It will be interesting to see who the 6th best team is?
 

eagle172

Active member
Could the Franklin JV be the 2nd best team in the league. You might think I'm crazy. Wait and see!!
You are spot on !! If you and I took Franklins top 12 players and I picked one , you picked one etc. etc. One of us would win the league and the other would be runner-up. Who knows they may tie for First.
 
Franklin that good or the league just that bad? They have not fared to well in the d1 tourney. And really haven't done well in the d2 since Kennard graduated.
 

AJK091610

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Franklin that good or the league just that bad? They have not fared to well in the d1 tourney. And really haven't done well in the d2 since Kennard graduated.
The SWBL is just to weak for a team to be successful in D1 or D2 unless you are a star play like Kennard even with him they still did not get to state tourney...
 

yakyak

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Good for Milton. They have struggled for the last several years. Maybe with the new league and player they can have some success
The new league will be very good at basketball. I know ME and TC have some very, very talented teams coming. Will it pan out, who knows.
 
There is talent coming up in Milton, East, TC, Bethel and Northridge. Lehman is an unkown as is Riverside. Covington may be the bottom feeder of that new league.
 

BucksFan937

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The new league will be very good at basketball. I know ME and TC have some very, very talented teams coming. Will it pan out, who knows.
That's not to mention Bethel and Northridge... those 2 schools typically have a lot of talent, and I expect them both to be at the front of the league in basketball at the very beginning.
 

yakyak

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That's not to mention Bethel and Northridge... those 2 schools typically have a lot of talent, and I expect them both to be at the front of the league in basketball at the very beginning.
Northridge unsure, have not seen them. Not a lot of talent in the 7- 11 classes right now at Bethel. Expect them to be lower-middle of the pack starting out. But, a lot of potential long term to be a basketball power. Dont see it short term (2-4 years)
 

BucksFan937

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Northridge unsure, have not seen them. Not a lot of talent in the 7- 11 classes right now at Bethel. Expect them to be lower-middle of the pack starting out. But, a lot of potential long term to be a basketball power. Dont see it short term (2-4 years)
You could be right. I feel like Northridge is one of those schools that gets a lot of move in and transfers from the city schools. They are only 2-3 move ins from being very competitive. Bethels growing enrollment should help them be competitive. They definitely aren't as good as they were 2-3 years ago, but I expect them to get back to that. Or atleast I would think, although I am surprised at how bad they are at some of the other sports right now.... (football and baseball).
 
Northridge unsure, have not seen them. Not a lot of talent in the 7- 11 classes right now at Bethel. Expect them to be lower-middle of the pack starting out. But, a lot of potential long term to be a basketball power. Dont see it short term (2-4 years)
I was told by a family member in Miami Co. that Bethel has a really good Freshman and 7th grade group. Not saying he's a basketball expert, but he thinks they will be talented.
 
Last years Northridge 7th and 8th grade teams were terrible. They will need kids to move into the district to make them competitive. This seems to have been the case for the last 6-8 years. At Northridge, the Jr. High teams has had no bearing on how well the High school program does.
 

Zezzo!

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You could be right. I feel like Northridge is one of those schools that gets a lot of move in and transfers from the city schools. They are only 2-3 move ins from being very competitive. Bethels growing enrollment should help them be competitive. They definitely aren't as good as they were 2-3 years ago, but I expect them to get back to that. Or atleast I would think, although I am surprised at how bad they are at some of the other sports right now.... (football and baseball).
Northridge has been to the regionals twice in the last 5 years lost to Trotwood in the regional championship last season and CJ in 15' in the regional semis. They should run through that new conference.
 

yakyak

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I was told by a family member in Miami Co. that Bethel has a really good Freshman and 7th grade group. Not saying he's a basketball expert, but he thinks they will be talented.
TC sweep Var, JV, 7th and 8th last year. That is what I was basing my worry about them on. Things change quickly though and they may be fine.
 

BucksFan937

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TC sweep Var, JV, 7th and 8th last year. That is what I was basing my worry about them on. Things change quickly though and they may be fine.
Bethel/Northridge is the type of place that can change in the blink of an eye. I know Northridge gets a lot of transfers but remember a few years back when Bethel got a move in from Bishop Gorman HS in Las Vegas? Ryan Rose, that showed up out of nowhere and played his Junior/Senior year at Bethel. He ended up averaging like 25 points per game and was a first team all state player.
 

BlessEmAll

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Milton has the makings of a VERY good team and with Berner as coach they should challenge for the SWBL. Northridge has been the top-dog but I see Waynesville, MU and Madison challenging. Waynesville is always tough.
Brumbaugh being a Frosh, he probably won't be a dominant force but the kid was dunking the ball as a 8th grader. He's a pretty good football player too.

As for the TRC, that is a couple of seasons away. alt can happen in the meantime.
 
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