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and calling off announced sanctions is an action and showing support for a man who just had an American tortured and killed is an action.
 
isadore said:
and now that he has begun his policy of appeasement, he has called off sanction his own State Department wanted.
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That was in March. By June the toughest sanctions ever put on a country were in place. That doesn't sound like appeasement.
 
eastside_purple said:
Agree. His actions in legitimizing and exonerating Kim are disgusting.
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He hasn't exonerated Kim. We nearly went to war with a nuclear power(Thanks President Obama) over Otto Warmbier. Stepping back from the precipice was the right thing to do. War with North Korea would have resulted in tens of millions of Japanese, South Koreans and North Koreans death and thousand of American military personnel. It also could have very quickly escalated into full on war with China. Not just a trade war.
If you and Isadore want to call that exonerating and appeasement then so be it. That's your prerogative. It does not change the fact that this administration has placed the harshest sanctions ever on North Korea.
 
Indiandad said:
That was in March. By June the toughest sanctions ever put on a country were in place. That doesn't sound like appeasement.
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In March Trump called off new sanctions that his State Department had put into effect to tighten the economic blockade on North Korea.
No new sanctions were added in June, old ones just continued.
 
isadore said:
“I don’t believe he would have allowed that to happen,” Trump said.

“He tells me he didn’t know about it, and I take him at his word,” Trump said

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So, saying that he doesn't believe that Kim knew the guy was getting a fatal beating before/as it happened is "complete exoneration" to you, too, huh ?
 
cabezadecaballo said:
So, saying that he doesn't believe that Kim knew the guy was getting a fatal beating before/as it happened is "complete exoneration" to you, too, huh ?
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The autopsy said there were no signs of physical torture much less beatings.
His comatose state was a result of both sides of the brain being damaged simultaneously, likely the result of lack of oxygen.
IMO he probably attempted suicide and failed.
 
Indiandad said:
He hasn't exonerated Kim. We nearly went to war with a nuclear power(Thanks President Obama) over Otto Warmbier. Stepping back from the precipice was the right thing to do. War with North Korea would have resulted in tens of millions of Japanese, South Koreans and North Koreans death and thousand of American military personnel. It also could have very quickly escalated into full on war with China. Not just a trade war.
If you and Isadore want to call that exonerating and appeasement then so be it. That's your prerogative. It does not change the fact that this administration has placed the harshest sanctions ever on North Korea.
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Why thanks Obama, North Korea first nuclear tests were in 2006 during the Bush Administration. And there was never any threat of nuclear war over Warmbier during the Obama administration, just the righteous condemnation of his imprisonment. The true extent of his mistreatment did not become known until 2017 when Trump was in office. And then with his death, the President of the United States exonerated the man who ordered his death. Trump stopped the last attempt by his own State Department to tighten sanctions on North Korea.
 
cabezadecaballo said:
So, saying that he doesn't believe that Kim knew the guy was getting a fatal beating before/as it happened is "complete exoneration" to you, too, huh ?
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sure is when you are the absolute ruler of a nation and the treatment of a well know political prisoner would be completely under your control. And the President says I believe him and take him at his word when he claims no responsibility.
 
isadore said:
Why thanks Obama, North Korea first nuclear tests were in 2006 during the Bush Administration. And there was never any threat of nuclear war over Warmbier during the Obama administration, just the righteous condemnation of his imprisonment. The true extent of his mistreatment did not become known until 2017 when Trump was in office. And then with his death, the President of the United States exonerated the man who ordered his death. Trump stopped the last attempt by his own State Department to tighten sanctions on North Korea.
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What did "Righteous condemnation" achieve?

NOTHING.
 
Indiandad said:
The autopsy said there were no signs of physical torture much less beatings.
His comatose state was a result of both sides of the brain being damaged simultaneously, likely the result of lack of oxygen.
IMO he probably attempted suicide and failed.
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what autopsy?
he is dead because of North Korean actions. And Trump exonerated them.
 
isadore said:
sure is when you are the absolute ruler of a nation and the treatment of a well know political prisoner would be completely under your control. And the President says I believe him and take him at his word when he claims no responsibility.
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Well, that's just dumb. I don't believe for a minute that Kim played any active role in the guy's death. i don't guess he really gave a sh1t at all beyond seeing the guy as a trade piece. He was probably a little disappointed, with some measure of antipathy on a macro- level.
 
Indiandad said:
He hasn't exonerated Kim. We nearly went to war with a nuclear power(Thanks President Obama) over Otto Warmbier. Stepping back from the precipice was the right thing to do. War with North Korea would have resulted in tens of millions of Japanese, South Koreans and North Koreans death and thousand of American military personnel. It also could have very quickly escalated into full on war with China. Not just a trade war.
If you and Isadore want to call that exonerating and appeasement then so be it. That's your prerogative. It does not change the fact that this administration has placed the harshest sanctions ever on North Korea.
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I must have missed when we were at the brink of nuclear war with NK over Warmbier.
 
cabezadecaballo said:
Well, that's just dumb. I don't believe for a minute that Kim played any active role in the guy's death. i don't guess he really gave a sh1t at all beyond seeing the guy as a trade piece. He was probably a little disappointed, with some measure of antipathy on a macro- level.
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LOL are you kidding. If he considered Warmbier a trading piece worth saving, the kid would be alive today. Are you acquainted with the term absolute ruler.
 
Indiandad said:
The autopsy said there were no signs of physical torture much less beatings.
His comatose state was a result of both sides of the brain being damaged simultaneously, likely the result of lack of oxygen.
IMO he probably attempted suicide and failed.
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Thanks for your uninformed and non-expert opinion, but here are a couple others.



With an injury like Mr. Warmbier’s, “blood flow is reduced everywhere — the pump is turned off,” said Dr. Schwamm, who reviewed the coroner’s report at The Times’s request.

In the United States, the most common cause is a cardiac arrest, often precipitated by a heart attack. While cardiac arrests are unlikely in healthy young men, they can happen if the victim is malnourished and suffers an imbalance of blood electrolytes, such as potassium, calcium, or magnesium, Dr. Schwamm said.

The damage is quick: It takes just four minutes without blood for brain cells to start to die.

Blood flow to the brain can be interrupted for any number of reasons. The whole-body CT scan did not find injuries associated with hanging, for example, but Dr. Schwamm said the evidence might not be visible if a bedsheet were used and the spine were not dislocated.
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eastside_purple said:
Thanks for your uninformed and non-expert opinion, but here are a couple others.

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Non expert... yes
Uninformed.... No

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Otto Warmbier: what happened in that North Korean jail?

The student was hailed by Donald Trump as a catalyst for his summit with Kim Jong-un. But what really happened between the 21-year-old’s trial and his return home with brain damage, and was the truth held hostage for political ends?
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Coroner found no obvious signs of torture on Otto Warmbier

Details surrounding the death of Otto Warmbier, who died after being detained in North Korea for 17 months, were released on Wednesday.
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isadore said:
The Warmbiers sent their son to visit, Kim sent us back a comatose victim ready to die. And Donny exonerated the third generation mass murderer.
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They sent their son to visit against the better judgement of the US State department. He allegedly broke the law while there and was punished.
Granted we have no idea if he truly broke their laws and no reasonable person outside of NK and the Middle East would consider the punishment to be justified.

However, reasonable people don't send their son to hostile countries and expect there to be no risk involved.

The fact still remains that Trump has put the most intense sanctions to date on NK. You want more.
 
eastside_purple said:
The coroners report didn’t rule out torture or maltreatment of warmbier at all and subsequent experts agreed both were quite possible.
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Yes, possible. So was suicide.

NK has never killed an American hostage. Why start now?

It is extremely likely that Otto broke mentally and had no hope of rescue. Attempted suicide is a very real possibility.
 
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