POLL - Which current NFL QB would you want for the next 5 years?

Which current NFL QB would you want leading your team for the next 5 years?

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Which is better … the QB signing one of these mega deals …. or Tom Brady winning multiple Super Bowls … the vast majority of Mega Deals QB’s teams have taken a down turn after these deals … from Drew Brees to Russel Wilson and on and on … so which QB is smarter Brady or the Mega Deals QBs?
 
joesports said:
Which is better … the QB signing one of these mega deals …. or Tom Brady winning multiple Super Bowls … the vast majority of Mega Deals QB’s teams have taken a down turn after these deals … from Drew Brees to Russel Wilson and on and on … so which QB is smarter Brady or the Mega Deals QBs?
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Brady & NE are unique outliers - the greatest QB and greatest team in NFL history. Throw in the greatest coach of all time and the NE Patriots are a special situation in the history of the NFL. Heck, half the Superbowl's won by the Pats had less to do with Brady and more to do with their defense and running game.

And these mega contacts over the last few years won't look so "mega" in just a couple of years when the streaming bidding war between Netflix, Apple & Amazon happens.

The reality is that the mega deals for QB's are here to stay. The question will be who gets them? IMO Mahomes & Allen are worth every penny because not only are they elite QB's but they have the driven personalities to never settle for 2nd best. Throw in their good behavior off the field and investing in them was a no brainer. My guess is that both Burrow & Herbert will also be worth every penny from their mega deals for the exact same reasons.

The misses have been an issue though. Cousins (mega deal at the time) and Watson (off field issues) show how bad things can go wrong. And if we don't see some post season success soon you can throw Dak Prescott into that group to.

I think Cleveland & Baltimore face some real tough choices going forward.
 
lotr10 said:
Brady & NE are unique outliers - the greatest QB and greatest team in NFL history. Throw in the greatest coach of all time and the NE Patriots are a special situation in the history of the NFL. Heck, half the Superbowl's won by the Pats had less to do with Brady and more to do with their defense and running game.

And these mega contacts over the last few years won't look so "mega" in just a couple of years when the streaming bidding war between Netflix, Apple & Amazon happens.

The reality is that the mega deals for QB's are here to stay. The question will be who gets them? IMO Mahomes & Allen are worth every penny because not only are they elite QB's but they have the driven personalities to never settle for 2nd best. Throw in their good behavior off the field and investing in them was a no brainer. My guess is that both Burrow & Herbert will also be worth every penny from their mega deals for the exact same reasons.

The misses have been an issue though. Cousins (mega deal at the time) and Watson (off field issues) show how bad things can go wrong. And if we don't see some post season success soon you can throw Dak Prescott into that group to.

I think Cleveland & Baltimore face some real tough choices going forward.
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As Lee Corso would say...not so fast my friend. Mega contracts spells doom for teams building dynasties. You can maybe have a shot in a year or two, but when one player takes up so much of the cap space it take away from other positions. It's whack-a-mole at it's finest.

The Seahawks are a great example. They had a great defense and Russ. Russ got paid, the defense had to give up some key pieces and they are simply not a contender anymore. Brady is a one off because he took so little money and the Patriot way is just so good. Don't be shocked if Mac Jones starts another round for the Pats. Of course that's all as long a Bill stays.

Mahomes will begin to have a negative affect on KC because they will need to start pairing down from other positions. You don't just draft Tyreek Hill's and Travis Kelcey's every year. Also the KC defense is leaking oil as well. Josh Allen and the Bills? Maybe a year or two.

And you mention the Cowboys.. that's the blue print. They have "good" talent at alot of positions, but they've sacrificed in other areas. You simply cannot afford to pay 3rd, 4th, 5th receivers. It's like baseball. You need to spend money on an ace, and bullpen and maybe a few position players, but you have to hope like heck you have alot of guys outperform contracts to win.
 
14Red said:
As Lee Corso would say...not so fast my friend. Mega contracts spells doom for teams building dynasties. You can maybe have a shot in a year or two, but when one player takes up so much of the cap space it take away from other positions. It's whack-a-mole at it's finest.

The Seahawks are a great example. They had a great defense and Russ. Russ got paid, the defense had to give up some key pieces and they are simply not a contender anymore. Brady is a one off because he took so little money and the Patriot way is just so good. Don't be shocked if Mac Jones starts another round for the Pats. Of course that's all as long a Bill stays.

Mahomes will begin to have a negative affect on KC because they will need to start pairing down from other positions. You don't just draft Tyreek Hill's and Travis Kelcey's every year. Also the KC defense is leaking oil as well. Josh Allen and the Bills? Maybe a year or two.

And you mention the Cowboys.. that's the blue print. They have "good" talent at alot of positions, but they've sacrificed in other areas. You simply cannot afford to pay 3rd, 4th, 5th receivers. It's like baseball. You need to spend money on an ace, and bullpen and maybe a few position players, but you have to hope like heck you have alot of guys outperform contracts to win.
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Mahomes cap this year was 7 million.
2022 is 35
2023 is 46 and it goes on and on.

Yes, the cap is expected to get higher but no matter the cap, those are going to take up a good chunk of it. Some skill players will have to swallow some pride and sign for way less.

Allen jumps to 40 in 2023.

Of course, teams can do some migitation, and a WR can sign for less the first couple of years and back load, but agents and players are getting smarter and realizing those games dont work well with non guaranteed deals.
 
14Red said:
As Lee Corso would say...not so fast my friend. Mega contracts spells doom for teams building dynasties. You can maybe have a shot in a year or two, but when one player takes up so much of the cap space it take away from other positions. It's whack-a-mole at it's finest.

The Seahawks are a great example. They had a great defense and Russ. Russ got paid, the defense had to give up some key pieces and they are simply not a contender anymore. Brady is a one off because he took so little money and the Patriot way is just so good. Don't be shocked if Mac Jones starts another round for the Pats. Of course that's all as long a Bill stays.

Mahomes will begin to have a negative affect on KC because they will need to start pairing down from other positions. You don't just draft Tyreek Hill's and Travis Kelcey's every year. Also the KC defense is leaking oil as well. Josh Allen and the Bills? Maybe a year or two.

And you mention the Cowboys.. that's the blue print. They have "good" talent at alot of positions, but they've sacrificed in other areas. You simply cannot afford to pay 3rd, 4th, 5th receivers. It's like baseball. You need to spend money on an ace, and bullpen and maybe a few position players, but you have to hope like heck you have alot of guys outperform contracts to win.
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The Seahawks mortgaged the future for a freaking SAFETY! That's not on Wilson it's on Pete and the GM. The Seahawks have made a lot of mistakes that have nothing to do with limited CAP room because they're paying Wilson.

Teams with high priced elite QB's that produce on the field like KC and Buffalo and soon to include Cincinnati & the LA Chargers will learn how to navigate the CAP. The fact is that a great QB is a requirement for even thinking about being a dynasty.

And the CAP will explode over the next few years making it easier to pay out the truly elite QB's while keeping a lot of the talent around them. As the CAP grows the contracts for Allen & Mahomes will begin to resemble Rogers. And the Packers have been able to maintain a lot of talent around their elite QB.

The other element not being mentioned is the quality of college players. It's clear that you can draft players that will have immediate impacts on your team The last 2 seasons have seen rookie skill players AND offensive Linemen have huge positive impacts on their teams. Many of these guys have made ALL PRO their rookie or in their 2nd year in the NFL. It's actually striking.

The price for success in the modern NFL begins and ends with the QB. Only a handful of teams have the kind of elite QB's that can dominate a game and will their teams to victory. In almost every NFL Division and in almost every playoff game the better QB won. In fact with respect to the Bills/Chiefs & Chiefs/Bengals the QB's were roughly the same. And IMO at this point in time Stafford is a better QB then Brady. Only in the case of Jimmy G beating Rogers did the weaker QB win.
 
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thavoice said:
Mahomes cap this year was 7 million.
2022 is 35
2023 is 46 and it goes on and on.

Yes, the cap is expected to get higher but no matter the cap, those are going to take up a good chunk of it. Some skill players will have to swallow some pride and sign for way less.

Allen jumps to 40 in 2023.

Of course, teams can do some migitation, and a WR can sign for less the first couple of years and back load, but agents and players are getting smarter and realizing those games dont work well with non guaranteed deals.
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Among the young (under 30) QB group the key is making sure you only pay the big bucks to truly elite, game changing guys. That's the key. Mahomes, Burrow & Allen are clearly that kind of QB. Justin Herbert is also probably in that group. After that you're left with a whole bunch of Prescott's & Cousins - guys that are making way to much money for the value they bring to their teams.

Folks want to know how teams with expensive QB's will navigate the CAP and create and maintain a dynasty. IMO here's how:

* First make sure you actually have a QB that delivers the goods. Paying big bucks to Mayfield, Jackson and Murray won't get it done.

* Make sure you have a great coach and coaching staff. Because you're going to have to rely on a continuing cycle of young players to keep the dynasty going. So picking the right young player and getting them up to speed ASAP is critical.

* And the college game today provides the NFL with young (cheap) players who can make a huge impact right out of the gate. And we're not just talking about 1st round picks. Teams paying the big bucks to their elite QB's will depend on college players more then ever. And they will deliver because they're coming out of college NFL ready.

* The truly great QB's will get you discounts from some of your key players. I bet Kelsey will take less money to stay in KC. For an elite WR & TE the quality of the QB will be critical to their success. It will be worth it for them to shave some of the money off the top to hook up with a elite QB. Just ask OBJ.

* The great QBs will also attract elite players in the autumn of their careers. These are the guys that still have a great season or two left in them that have got paid but now want to win a Super Bowl or cement their stats for the HOF. They will seek out the handful of truly great QB's.

I might be wrong here but five years from now the AFC will be ruled by KC, Cincinnati & Buffalo all with their elite QB's. Maybe the LA Chargers will also be in this group and another team whose QB made the jump.
 
lotr10 said:
The Seahawks mortgaged the future for a freaking SAFETY! That's not on Wilson it's on Pete and the GM. The Seahawks have made a lot of mistakes that have nothing to do with limited CAP room because they're paying Wilson.

Teams with high priced elite QB's that produce on the field like KC and Buffalo and soon to include Cincinnati & the LA Chargers will learn how to navigate the CAP. The fact is that a great QB is a requirement for even thinking about being a dynasty.

And the CAP will explode over the next few years making it easier to pay out the truly elite QB's while keeping a lot of the talent around them. As the CAP grows the contracts for Allen & Mahomes will begin to resemble Rogers. And the Packers have been able to maintain a lot of talent around their elite QB.

The other element not being mentioned is the quality of college players. It's clear that you can draft players that will have immediate impacts on your team The last 2 seasons have seen rookie skill players AND offensive Linemen have huge positive impacts on their teams. Many of these guys have made ALL PRO their rookie or in their 2nd year in the NFL. It's actually striking.

The price for success in the modern NFL begins and ends with the QB. Only a handful of teams have the kind of elite QB's that can dominate a game and will their teams to victory. In almost every NFL Division and in almost every playoff game the better QB won. In fact with respect to the Bills/Chiefs & Chiefs/Bengals the QB's were roughly the same. And IMO at this point in time Stafford is a better QB then Brady. Only in the case of Jimmy G beating Rogers did the weaker QB win.
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Not to be combative, but do you feel the way the salary cap constraints teams forces draft picks to play sooner than they maybe should or could? We see this in other pro sports where the top flight players get paid, the middle to lower level players get less and the gap contintues to widen. Look they all make a heck of alot of money for playing a game so it's not a horrible thing. But if you're running a team, the difference between an elite player and a upper range player is much more vital to a teams overall success than the middle to lower tier guys. And because these guys are unionized, the older, veteran player who commands more money is left out because a rookie's salary is good for the bottom line.

It is good the salary cap is going up for the NFL and you may actually see some dynasties pop up again, but it is nice seeing some parity in football, unlike college football where about 5 teams can win it any given year.
 
lotr10 said:
Among the young (under 30) QB group the key is making sure you only pay the big bucks to truly elite, game changing guys. That's the key. Mahomes, Burrow & Allen are clearly that kind of QB. Justin Herbert is also probably in that group. After that you're left with a whole bunch of Prescott's & Cousins - guys that are making way to much money for the value they bring to their teams.

Folks want to know how teams with expensive QB's will navigate the CAP and create and maintain a dynasty. IMO here's how:

* First make sure you actually have a QB that delivers the goods. Paying big bucks to Mayfield, Jackson and Murray won't get it done.

* Make sure you have a great coach and coaching staff. Because you're going to have to rely on a continuing cycle of young players to keep the dynasty going. So picking the right young player and getting them up to speed ASAP is critical.

* And the college game today provides the NFL with young (cheap) players who can make a huge impact right out of the gate. And we're not just talking about 1st round picks. Teams paying the big bucks to their elite QB's will depend on college players more then ever. And they will deliver because they're coming out of college NFL ready.

* The truly great QB's will get you discounts from some of your key players. I bet Kelsey will take less money to stay in KC. For an elite WR & TE the quality of the QB will be critical to their success. It will be worth it for them to shave some of the money off the top to hook up with a elite QB. Just ask OBJ.

* The great QBs will also attract elite players in the autumn of their careers. These are the guys that still have a great season or two left in them that have got paid but now want to win a Super Bowl or cement their stats for the HOF. They will seek out the handful of truly great QB's.

I might be wrong here but five years from now the AFC will be ruled by KC, Cincinnati & Buffalo all with their elite QB's. Maybe the LA Chargers will also be in this group and another team whose QB made the jump.
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At this point Josh Allen and Justin Herbert hasn't won anything. I've not see a player get more acolates for playing for a team that doens't win than Herbert. Good skills, but he's not played in a playoff game yet and the Chargers do not have awful talent. They've had some head scratching losses the last few seasons. Mahomes & Burrow, yes, looks good now but again this is Burrow's 2nd year. Long way to go before we put him in Canton.

Yes, coaching staffs are important, but there has never been a time when less patience has gone on in pro football. Two coaches this year were let go in year 1, one didn't even make it through the season.

Half of the active NFL rosters are non-drafted players. That's mind blowing. The difference between a can't miss prospect and a bust is so small in the NFL, and so much has to do with random things. NFL teams rosters are dotted with guys from obscure no-name colleges. At the end of the day, if you can run, jump and make plays and you can somehow get into a mini camp, you have a chance.

The great debate is does great receivers make QB's look great, or do great QB's make average recievers look great? We have countless examples of this over time. One no more obvious back in the day than Joe Montana/ Jerry Rice? My feeling is with spead offenses in high school and colleges, the supply of NFL caliber recievers is at an all time high. I do not ever draft a reciever highly. You can pick up good recievers in late rounds and in free agency. You draft top O linemen, elite QB's if you need one, corners and pass rushers. You can fill in the rest.

Do NFL player really want to win, or get paid? That's the million dollar question. Yes, we see examples of guys taking less, but we also see guys get every penny they can because that's what they want, their agents and families want.

Finally, 5 years in a long time in the NFL. 5 years ago, 2017-2018, the playoff partipants were.. NFC - Carolina, New Orleans, Atlanta, LA Rams, Minnesota and Philadelphia. AFC was Buffalo, Jacksonville, Tennessee, KC, Pittsburgh and New England. Vikings / Eagles - Pats/ Jags were in the conference finals. Kind of hard too ever believe Atlanta, Jacksonville, Carolina was ever good, doesn't it? We forget really fast how teams go up and down. Jacksonville was in the AFC championship game with Blake Bortals, Lenoard Fournette - Doug Marone a coach. Young players, good defense. Things change.
 
14Red said:
Not to be combative, but do you feel the way the salary cap constraints teams forces draft picks to play sooner than they maybe should or could? We see this in other pro sports where the top flight players get paid, the middle to lower level players get less and the gap contintues to widen. Look they all make a heck of alot of money for playing a game so it's not a horrible thing. But if you're running a team, the difference between an elite player and a upper range player is much more vital to a teams overall success than the middle to lower tier guys. And because these guys are unionized, the older, veteran player who commands more money is left out because a rookie's salary is good for the bottom line.

It is good the salary cap is going up for the NFL and you may actually see some dynasties pop up again, but it is nice seeing some parity in football, unlike college football where about 5 teams can win it any given year.
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No I don't. I think it's almost entirely due to how much bigger, older and better these guys are leaving college. Here's three examples of rookie O-lineman who were fantastic and in some cases dominant:

RaShawn Slater, LA Chargers: This 1st round pick was an ALL PRO left tackle as a rookie this season.

Creed Humphrey, KC: This late 2nd round pick was graded out by PFF as being the best center in football - as a rookie.

Spencer Brown, Bills: This late 3rd round pick from Northern Iowa became the Bills starting right tackle and by the end of the season was playing very well.

There are a lot more examples (Chase comes to mind) but the three guys above, particularly the first two, were great as rookies playing the most difficult positions for rookies to excel at.

I think the key to teams going forward is how quickly they recognize they drafted a stud and how quickly they insert them into the starting line up. To date I suspect the bias has been in the other direction, particularly with O-linemen, to try to hold them back to get more experience.

Again, having a high priced QB will not hurt a team as long as that QB is truly elite and a game changer. And there are only a couple of those QB's out there. What will be devastating to teams is if they overpay a QB thinking they're elite when in reality they're just very good.

It's not about getting the Mahomes & Allen's and soon Burrow and Herbert's to take less money - they are worth every penny. It's about getting the guys like Baker Mayfield to take less money - maybe in the 20 - 25 million region. The Browns would be a yearly playoff team paying Mayfield 20 million dollars per year. If they pay him 40 million they're in trouble.
 
14Red said:
At this point Josh Allen and Justin Herbert hasn't won anything. I've not see a player get more acolates for playing for a team that doens't win than Herbert. Good skills, but he's not played in a playoff game yet and the Chargers do not have awful talent. They've had some head scratching losses the last few seasons. Mahomes & Burrow, yes, looks good now but again this is Burrow's 2nd year. Long way to go before we put him in Canton.

Yes, coaching staffs are important, but there has never been a time when less patience has gone on in pro football. Two coaches this year were let go in year 1, one didn't even make it through the season.

Half of the active NFL rosters are non-drafted players. That's mind blowing. The difference between a can't miss prospect and a bust is so small in the NFL, and so much has to do with random things. NFL teams rosters are dotted with guys from obscure no-name colleges. At the end of the day, if you can run, jump and make plays and you can somehow get into a mini camp, you have a chance.

The great debate is does great receivers make QB's look great, or do great QB's make average recievers look great? We have countless examples of this over time. One no more obvious back in the day than Joe Montana/ Jerry Rice? My feeling is with spead offenses in high school and colleges, the supply of NFL caliber recievers is at an all time high. I do not ever draft a reciever highly. You can pick up good recievers in late rounds and in free agency. You draft top O linemen, elite QB's if you need one, corners and pass rushers. You can fill in the rest.

Do NFL player really want to win, or get paid? That's the million dollar question. Yes, we see examples of guys taking less, but we also see guys get every penny they can because that's what they want, their agents and families want.

Finally, 5 years in a long time in the NFL. 5 years ago, 2017-2018, the playoff partipants were.. NFC - Carolina, New Orleans, Atlanta, LA Rams, Minnesota and Philadelphia. AFC was Buffalo, Jacksonville, Tennessee, KC, Pittsburgh and New England. Vikings / Eagles - Pats/ Jags were in the conference finals. Kind of hard too ever believe Atlanta, Jacksonville, Carolina was ever good, doesn't it? We forget really fast how teams go up and down. Jacksonville was in the AFC championship game with Blake Bortals, Lenoard Fournette - Doug Marone a coach. Young players, good defense. Things change.
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Every team has head scratching losses every season except of course the 1973 Miami Dolphins.

Allen and Herbert are elite and they will play in and likely win Super Bowls before their careers are over. I agree that Herbert still has to show his skills in the playoffs but Allen has proven he's a top 3 QB in the NFL.

As for WR's making QB's look great? Sure they help but it's a two way street. Diggs had his best two career years with Allen. Ditto Cole Beasley & John Brown. Allen has made single game superstars out of Isaiah McKenzie & Gabe Davis.
 
lotr10 said:
Every team has head scratching losses every season except of course the 1973 Miami Dolphins.

Allen and Herbert are elite and they will play in and likely win Super Bowls before their careers are over. I agree that Herbert still has to show his skills in the playoffs but Allen has proven he's a top 3 QB in the NFL.

As for WR's making QB's look great? Sure they help but it's a two way street. Diggs had his best two career years with Allen. Ditto Cole Beasley & John Brown. Allen has made single game superstars out of Isaiah McKenzie & Gabe Davis.
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It is the NFL. The talent level is too close from team to team and the reason why its the most popular league by far.

JUst look at how razor thin everything is.
BUrrow and the bengals are getting all the accolades, but literally their 3 playoff wins came down to one play.
1 play.

If the Raiders complete that last pass for a TD then this is just a sad sack season, WITH A LOT OF HOPE, for the bengals.
 
Mahomes and Allen's contracts are looking a lot better now - 40 million dollars per year for Derick Carr?

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Vincent Bonsignore of the Las Vegas Review-Journal reports that any extension for Raiders QB Derek Carr "would likely be in the $40m per season range." ​


What must Cleveland & Baltimore be thinking about this?
 
lotr10 said:
Mahomes and Allen's contracts are looking a lot better now - 40 million dollars per year for Derick Carr?

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Vincent Bonsignore of the Las Vegas Review-Journal reports that any extension for Raiders QB Derek Carr "would likely be in the $40m per season range." ​


What must Cleveland & Baltimore be thinking about this?
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Baker should get about fiddy.
 
Food for thought
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Matt Stafford was the 10th highest this year.
 
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