Midwest Athletic Conference 2024

Who will be MAC champions

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Thavoice said:
I think we believed that 16 teams would help scheduling as more schools may want to test themselves but it does not seem to be working that way.

I still would like to keep it this way though and try to find an OOC game to push the limits.
Had the Uber talented CHiefs for two years and was surprised that ended but was probably foe the best as Massie and their style is more of what gives Coldwater problems.
Until CW finds a way to stop power run, and find a run game when they have a passing QB then we are destined at only 12-13 game seasons.
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Keeping it this way would be nice but ML can't find a week 1 game within a 3.5 hour radius apparently. If it continues you'd think there would be a push to change it.
 
Thavoice said:
I think we believed that 16 teams would help scheduling as more schools may want to test themselves but it does not seem to be working that way.

I still would like to keep it this way though and try to find an OOC game to push the limits.
Had the Uber talented CHiefs for two years and was surprised that ended but was probably foe the best as Massie and their style is more of what gives Coldwater problems.
Until CW finds a way to stop power run, and find a run game when they have a passing QB then we are destined at only 12-13 game seasons.
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In regards to the BHS vs. Coldwater series it's as simple as a numbers game...............Coldwater is a top 50 team in the state year in and year out (regardless of division). Even in 2023, where they weren't super close to winning the State Title, they finished ranked #37 by Pasteur (By far the best metric available to us).

BHS, unfortunately, doesn't enjoy that same level of consistency. The last two years teams have been top 100 type teams but history has shown that isn't always sustainable. If we could guarantee those types of teams, we'd sign a lifetime deal and enjoy the great games.

Keep in mind, these decisions are also made two-three years out, so even more variance. Ideally, the Chiefs and CW would play at least one more season and see where we go from there..............

We replaced CW with Bellbrook, not exactly a pushover. They finished #95 last year and was even better the year before. For one reason or another, we don't find opponents easily either. It's almost always been good programs or bust for us going back many years. Never been an OOC lay-up that I can remember, and there are times we could use it.
 
bcw said:
In regards to the BHS vs. Coldwater series it's as simple as a numbers game...............Coldwater is a top 50 team in the state year in and year out (regardless of division). Even in 2023, where they weren't super close to winning the State Title, they finished ranked #37 by Pasteur (By far the best metric available to us).

BHS, unfortunately, doesn't enjoy that same level of consistency. The last two years teams have been top 100 type teams but history has shown that isn't always sustainable. If we could guarantee those types of teams, we'd sign a lifetime deal and enjoy the great games.

Keep in mind, these decisions are also made two-three years out, so even more variance. Ideally, the Chiefs and CW would play at least one more season and see where we go from there..............

We replaced CW with Bellbrook, not exactly a pushover. They finished #95 last year and was even better the year before. For one reason or another, we don't find opponents easily either. It's almost always been good programs or bust for us going back many years. Never been an OOC lay-up that I can remember, and there are times we could use it.
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And to the point of "more teams in the playoffs lessens the consequences of a loss", I agree but you want to make sure you are competitive.

A loss is livable (we lost to CW both times), but getting your kicked isn't ideal. If you're having a 6-4 type season, you don't really want to tangle with a team like CW.
 
State2013-1 said:
Keeping it this way would be nice but ML can't find a week 1 game within a 3.5 hour radius apparently. If it continues you'd think there would be a push to change it.
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St. Henry has played Old Fort and Archbold the past several years not sure who SH is playing this year besides St. Mary's. Fact is very few if any D5 - D7 schools within a 50-mile radius will play a MAC school. Also, these types of games (1.5 hr. plus drives) bring very few visiting fans. Marion Local played 11 road games in bball farthest drive was likely Van Wert. I agree, I think the MAC will go back to a 9-game league schedule, the cost alone (diesel fuel) will dictate it.

Edit: Flyers 2 road non-league games in football probably add up to 10 hrs. round trip. 11 road games in bball were likely not much more than that - round trip miles
 
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Thavoice said:
MyLittlePony,
There is always going to be some jealousy, but all around I would have to say the MAC is much more tight knit than others because everyone, sans PW, has had a piece of the Championship pie.

As for Loramie and Anna.......

I think most would like to see one of them come in full time. That is my thought.
Those two love their SCAR basketball and I believe that is the sticking point.


I imagine the league would.....
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i have a feeling, that Loramie would come into the MAC in all sports... tomorrow if given a chance!!
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
St. Henry has played Old Fort and Archbold the past several years not sure who SH is playing this year besides St. Mary's. Fact is very few if any D5 - D7 schools within a 50-mile radius will play a MAC school. Also, these types of games (1.5 hr. plus drives) bring very few visiting fans. Marion Local played 11 road games in bball farthest drive was likely Van Wert. I agree, I think the MAC will go back to a 9-game league schedule, the cost alone (diesel fuel) will dictate it.

Edit: Flyers 2 road non-league games in football probably add up to 10 hrs. round trip. 11 road games in bball were likely not much more than that - round trip miles
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well when we get those electric buses... that would settle that problem wouldn't it?
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
St. Henry has played Old Fort and Archbold the past several years not sure who SH is playing this year besides St. Mary's. Fact is very few if any D5 - D7 schools within a 50-mile radius will play a MAC school. Also, these types of games (1.5 hr. plus drives) bring very few visiting fans. Marion Local played 11 road games in bball farthest drive was likely Van Wert. I agree, I think the MAC will go back to a 9-game league schedule, the cost alone (diesel fuel) will dictate it.

Edit: Flyers 2 road non-league games in football probably add up to 10 hrs. round trip. 11 road games in bball were likely not much more than that - round trip miles
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OK, say you propose a 9-game MAC schedule.

Do you think Parkway wants to play Marion Local?

Do you think Fort Recovery wants to play Versailles?

Do you think DSJ wants to play Coldwater?

The reason the league went to an 8 game schedule was because the answer to those questions is a resounding NO.
 
Bruce Monnin said:
OK, say you propose a 9-game MAC schedule.

Do you think Parkway wants to play Marion Local?

Do you think Fort Recovery wants to play Versailles?

Do you think DSJ wants to play Coldwater?

The reason the league went to an 8 game schedule was because the answer to those questions is a resounding NO to play Versailles?

Do you think DSJ wants to play Coldwater?

The reason the league went to an 8 game schedule was because the answer to those questions is a resounding NO.
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Like CC track said both Parkway and DSJ had a chance to leave the MAC for the NWC. Schools should not have to drive 3 plus hrs. to find a football game to satisfy a couple of schools. DSJ, I don't think is "afraid" to play anyone. New Bremen I still don't think has a 2nd game for this coming year, there is something called common sense, play your neighbor .5 drive or a 3hr bus drive. Cost should be a major consideration, not cheap to drive a couple of school buses 3 plus hrs. Again, if these schools don't want to play the top dogs in the MAC go join the NWC, Parkway, DSJ definitely could have, and Fort Recovery enrollment size is just as big as Marion Local and Parkway is bigger.

In 1998 I think Marion Local lost to DSJ 67 - 9 should have the Flyers just say we can't compete, no Marion Local hired a new coach. In baseball when is the last time Marion Local has def. Coldwater? Should the MAC have two non-league games in baseball so my Flyers wouldn't get beat like a drum every year by the Cavs.
 
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Stirred not Shaken said:
Like CC track said both Parkway and DSJ had a chance to leave the MAC for the NWC. Schools should not have to drive 3 plus hrs. to find a football game to satisfy a couple of schools. DSJ, I don't think is "afraid" to play anyone. New Bremen I still don't think has a 2nd game for this coming year, there is something called common sense, play your neighbor .5 drive or a 3hr bus drive. Cost should be a major consideration, not cheap to drive a couple of school buses 3 plus hrs. Again, if these schools don't want to play the top dogs in the MAC go join the NWC, Parkway, DSJ definitely could have, and Fort Recovery enrollment size is just as big as Marion Local and Parkway is bigger.

In 1998 I think Marion Local lost to DSJ 67 - 9 should have the Flyers just say we can't compete, no Marion Local hired a new coach. In baseball when is the last time Marion Local has def. Coldwater? Should the MAC have two non-league games in baseball so my Flyers wouldn't get beat like a drum every year by the Cavs.
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with the way gas prices are going up and up, that has to be a consideration.... but just think a few years ago it was $1.87 a gallon.....
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
Like CC track said both Parkway and DSJ had a chance to leave the MAC for the NWC. Schools should not have to drive 3 plus hrs. to find a football game to satisfy a couple of schools. DSJ, I don't think is "afraid" to play anyone. New Bremen I still don't think has a 2nd game for this coming year, there is something called common sense, play your neighbor .5 drive or a 3hr bus drive. Cost should be a major consideration, not cheap to drive a couple of school buses 3 plus hrs. Again, if these schools don't want to play the top dogs in the MAC go join the NWC, Parkway, DSJ definitely could have, and Fort Recovery enrollment size is just as big as Marion Local and Parkway is bigger.

In 1998 I think Marion Local lost to DSJ 67 - 9 should have the Flyers just say we can't compete, no Marion Local hired a new coach. In baseball when is the last time Marion Local has def. Coldwater? Should the MAC have two non-league games in baseball so my Flyers wouldn't get beat like a drum every year by the Cavs.
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New Bremen travels to Norton in week 2. Another 3 Hour trip
 
Bruce Monnin said:
OK, say you propose a 9-game MAC schedule.

Do you think Parkway wants to play Marion Local?

Do you think Fort Recovery wants to play Versailles?

Do you think DSJ wants to play Coldwater?

The reason the league went to an 8 game schedule was because the answer to those questions is a resounding NO.
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I understand the logic, but I don't think it's healthy to "avoid" playing conference foes. You're in a league together for a reason.

I get all the reasons for an 8 game schedule, but when you have a league as strong as the MAC, more MAC action is best in the long run.
 
bcw said:
I understand the logic, but I don't think it's healthy to "avoid" playing conference foes. You're in a league together for a reason.

I get all the reasons for an 8 game schedule, but when you have a league as strong as the MAC, more MAC action is best in the long run.
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Plus the fact that it's easier than ever to get into the playoffs.
 
State2013-1 said:
Keeping it this way would be nice but ML can't find a week 1 game within a 3.5 hour radius apparently. If it continues you'd think there would be a push to change it.
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Going back to 9 conference games doesn't settle Marion Local's inability to find a week 1 game.
 
*67 said:
Going back to 9 conference games doesn't settle Marion Local's inability to find a week 1 game.
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The league could give the option if needed to play a league game week 1 and then play out of league game week 2 or 3. Obviously need even number of teams to agree to that.
 
before we start making assumptions and accusations, do we know who ML and New Bremen are trying to schedule??? Seems like Coldwater and Versailles don’t have any problems. There was that rumor going around that New Bremen decided to drop Ansonia. I have a hard time believing Troy, Piqua, Tipp City would say no to ML week 1.
 
Stirred not Shaken said:
This. Marion Local has to travel to Franklin and somewhere SW of Bloomington Indiana. Coldwater has to travel to Massie. Versailles playing Fort Loramie I believe this year but who knows how long that series will last. New Bremen is a D7 school very few if any other D6 - D7 schools in the area want to schedule what they think will be a loss. Last year NB was 4 - 6 and beat a 7 - 5 Mechanicsburg team 28 - 7. St. Mary's seems to be the only WBL school now that will schedule a MAC school. So, the answer is no, teams in the area do not want to play New Bremen, it is not because NB has a lazy AD, same type of talk by some posters about Marion Local AD not being able to find opponents, now it is becoming a league wide problem at least among the more successful teams.
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Just to throw it out there, I don't think this characterization of the WBL is accurate. 6 of the 10 WBL schools have played a MAC school in non-league play in the past five years. The four who haven't all have their own thing going on week 1 and do fine with scheduling. New Bremen just finished a home-and-home series with a WBL school which was split one win apiece. I don't think you were shading the WBL by any means, but I think it's fair to point out that the WBL, perhaps more than any other local league, has been collaborative with the MAC. Some of these other MAC scheduling problems are their own, created by themselves. I do hope it eventually resolves.
 
Not that long ago DSJ traveled to in Ohio: Warren, Bellevue, Jeromesville, Worthington, Middletown, Hamilton, Toledo, Cincinnati. We've gone to Detroit and Hebron, Kentucky. Travel comes with the territory.
 
VTiger20 said:
before we start making assumptions and accusations, do we know who ML and New Bremen are trying to schedule??? Seems like Coldwater and Versailles don’t have any problems. There was that rumor going around that New Bremen decided to drop Ansonia. I have a hard time believing Troy, Piqua, Tipp City would say no to ML week 1.
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I mean no unless those ADs make it public but if those teams don't have openings then how do you schedule them?

I would kind of be shocked if ML hasn't reached out to Perry at all even though it's across state.
 
State2013-1 said:
I mean no unless those ADs make it public but if those teams don't have openings then how do you schedule them?

I would kind of be shocked if ML hasn't reached out to Perry at all even though it's across state.
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You just call and ask. Versailles and Loramie had a 4 year agreement for week 2. Anna and Brookville had played week 2 for a lot of years, and now it sounds like Loramie / Anna are playing week 2. Not sure who Versailles will pickup but again I just think there’s got to be area teams willing to play ML
 
VTiger20 said:
You just call and ask. Versailles and Loramie had a 4 year agreement for week 2. Anna and Brookville had played week 2 for a lot of years, and now it sounds like Loramie / Anna are playing week 2. Not sure who Versailles will pickup but again I just think there’s got to be area teams willing to play ML
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I'm really glad Loramie and Anna decided to play each other finally.
 
VTiger20 said:
You just call and ask. Versailles and Loramie had a 4 year agreement for week 2. Anna and Brookville had played week 2 for a lot of years, and now it sounds like Loramie / Anna are playing week 2. Not sure who Versailles will pickup but again I just think there’s got to be area teams willing to play ML
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If there are area teams willing to play why aren't we playing them? I doubt Marion's AD would settle for a 3.5 hr drive if he hasn't exhausted all options
 
VTiger20 said:
You just call and ask. Versailles and Loramie had a 4 year agreement for week 2. Anna and Brookville had played week 2 for a lot of years, and now it sounds like Loramie / Anna are playing week 2. Not sure who Versailles will pickup but again I just think there’s got to be area teams willing
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Sometimes it absolutely comes down to cold calling schools. It doesn't always mean they will answer though. OOC scheduling can be tough for sure.
 
State2013-1 said:
If there are area teams willing to play why aren't we playing them? I doubt Marion's AD would settle for a 3.5 hr drive if he hasn't exhausted all options
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That’s the point I’m trying to get at, I’d be interested in who they’re trying to schedule. I think the overall options are also depleted when you try to do this within a year, as most schools have contracts booked multiple years out
 
VTiger20 said:
before we start making assumptions and accusations, do we know who ML and New Bremen are trying to schedule??? Seems like Coldwater and Versailles don’t have any problems. There was that rumor going around that New Bremen decided to drop Ansonia. I have a hard time believing Troy, Piqua, Tipp City would say no to ML week 1.
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I don't. Flyers were more than willing to play Wapak again and the Redskins turned ML down. Very difficult for a D7 school to schedule bigger schools. I feel very confident in posting that none of those schools you listed want anything to do with scheduling a D7 school esp. ML.
 
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If I remember correctly, the press pros guy talked to anonymous ADs(schools like Troy, PIqua, etc) and they said they can't schedule ML. If they won, they would get no credit, and there was a good chance they would lose!
 
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