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Ralphs, Food 4 Less locations shutting down in Long Beach over 'hero pay'
Two grocery stores in Long Beach will permanently close Saturday after Kroger said it couldn't afford the city's "hero pay" law.
That's coming. Kroger started a new store this week that has 1,000 robots in it and will generate the production of 20 stores. They load trucks with orders that are then delivered to the customers homes.Grocery stores should be automated.
But won't the people out of those entry level jobs steal my groceries from the front porch when the delivery guy leaves them there?That's coming. Kroger started a new store this week that has 1,000 robots in it and will generate the production of 20 stores. They load trucks with orders that are then delivered to the customers homes.
20 more such "stores" are planned for future. That's 400 stores worth of product with virtually zero labor. The future is no one has to work entry level jobs because there wont be any.
At least those two stores would still be open. I know this may come as a surprise to a liberal but businesses do need to make a certain amount of profit to stay open.Here's an idea. If we dramatically reduced their tax rate then they could pay employees better.
Oh wait, nevermind.
Or you could accept the fact that some people's labor isn't worth $15/hr in certain markets/sectors.Here's an idea. If we dramatically reduced their tax rate then they could pay employees better.
Oh wait, nevermind.
I remember they had a bill to pay first responders more money. The hero must have been Jeff Bezos ?Libs unable to understand that government forced "hero's pay" cost people their jobs.
and they still are unable to understand that with a $15/hr wage more will not have a job or have reduced hours.Libs unable to understand that government forced "hero's pay" cost people their jobs.
ExactlyThat's coming. Kroger started a new store this week that has 1,000 robots in it and will generate the production of 20 stores. They load trucks with orders that are then delivered to the customers homes.
20 more such "stores" are planned for future. That's 400 stores worth of product with virtually zero labor. The future is no one has to work entry level jobs because there wont be any.
There will always be entry level jobs. It’s just that those jobs will require a greater skill set and that’s the way it should be.Exactly
And cost of products/services will skyrocket.and they still are unable to understand that with a $15/hr wage more will not have a job or have reduced hours.
Nope. We’re heading towards absolute automation. A lot of people (including and especially a lot of smart people) are living in a fantasy world thinking there job is safe.There will always be entry level jobs. It’s just that those jobs will require a greater skill set and that’s the way it should be.
Only evil capitalist businesses need to make a profit.At least those two stores would still be open. I know this may come as a surprise to a liberal but businesses do need to make a certain amount of profit to stay open.
I’m in favor of automating anything you can. That said, there will always be jobs for people. We are far more automated than we were 50 years ago and unemployment is at near lows pandemic aside.Nope. We’re heading towards absolute automation. A lot of people (including and especially a lot of smart people) are living in a fantasy world thinking there job is safe.
Grocery store margins are incredibly low. Multiply $4/hr x Employee hours per month and that is an astronomical number to overcome.If the stores in the article are having to permanently close due to adding $4 per hour to their payroll, they were doomed before that. I understand that the cost impact of adding $4/hr. to their employees is likely a big hit right now, but if that puts them out permanently, then they were already gone.
This is true here in Northeast Ohio as well, but the issue is two pronged. The first thing everyone blames is all the extra unemployment people are making because of the extension of the unemployment assistance. That is partially true, but it is also sad that unemployment could supplant wages that are clearly not livable. Many people think $15/hr is decent money, except it isn't, and even if it is starting salary, there is likely little advancement in these industries.On every road in industrialized areas in southwest ohio there are help wanted signs, literally every business has them out. Not to mention every single fast food restaurant has them out as well.
It's time to start making people do community service, cleaning up roadsides, whatever to collect their welfare or unemployment, as long as they are physically able.This is true here in Northeast Ohio as well, but the issue is two pronged. The first thing everyone blames is all the extra unemployment people are making because of the extension of the unemployment assistance. That is partially true, but it is also sad that unemployment could supplant wages that are clearly not livable. Many people think $15/hr is decent money, except it isn't, and even if it is starting salary, there is likely little advancement in these industries.
The second part, at least here and most of Ohio, is that there has been and continues to be a mass exodus of younger people looking elsewhere for employment. Coupled with the fact that Ohio was a once proud manufacturing state and has yet to make the transition away from that industry, the population is aging rapidly. Many people are not moving into Ohio, outside of major metropolitan areas, for jobs and to start a family. Cost of living has far outpaced wage increases and there is simply a shortage of workers, when our local unemployment is around 4% or so.
I understand their margins are very low, but if that increase in wages, for hourly employees puts you over the edge, then you had bigger issues all along. Smaller grocery stores are getting killed by larger companies who can afford these wage increases because they have been given massive tax breaks and incentives by GOP led initiatives, thus exacerbating their profits at alarming rates.Grocery store margins are incredibly low. Multiply $4/hr x Employee hours per month and that is an astronomical number to overcome.
The added $$ and benefits for those to stay home and not work is also hurting employers. SO many places cannot find employees in the food service. Few places are limiting their services and hours because they cannot find workers.
My fav local place, CTown Wings in Celina, stated over the weekend that their employers are working 7 days a week as they cannot get people to work. To combat this, twice a week they are only going to have buffett as that takes less people to staff and man.
The govt is enabling laziness, which I guess is the Democrats forte because they need their constituents to be helpless, needy and supported by the govt so they will be repeat voters.
I actually think this is a great idea. If you claim you cannot find work, and want unemployment, then work for it. However, this is kind of a Marxist/Communist principle, isn't it?It's time to start making people do community service, cleaning up roadsides, whatever to collect their welfare or unemployment, as long as they are physically able.
I don't know about that, but I bet a lot of them might suddenly "find" real jobs.I actually think this is a great idea. If you claim you cannot find work, and want unemployment, then work for it. However, this is kind of a Marxist/Communist principle, isn't it?![]()
4Many of those jobs are either entry level, people working for extra, or just a side type of job to make extra money for their family/This is true here in Northeast Ohio as well, but the issue is two pronged. The first thing everyone blames is all the extra unemployment people are making because of the extension of the unemployment assistance. That is partially true, but it is also sad that unemployment could supplant wages that are clearly not livable. Many people think $15/hr is decent money, except it isn't, and even if it is starting salary, there is likely little advancement in these industries.
The second part, at least here and most of Ohio, is that there has been and continues to be a mass exodus of younger people looking elsewhere for employment. Coupled with the fact that Ohio was a once proud manufacturing state and has yet to make the transition away from that industry, the population is aging rapidly. Many people are not moving into Ohio, outside of major metropolitan areas, for jobs and to start a family. Cost of living has far outpaced wage increases and there is simply a shortage of workers, when our local unemployment is around 4% or so.
You make some fair points. I think that many of these points are where we disagree philosophically and I respect that. The child care issue is a huge one and so is the fact that they are making more at home, which still is a shade above poverty, than a full-time job would pay. So while the government is paying a large chunk of money for unnecessary unemployment, there are many other factors involved as well. But your point is well taken and I cannot disagree with your argument for those choosing to not return to work.4Many of those jobs are either entry level, people working for extra, or just a side type of job to make extra money for their family/
I know a few people who work in the food industry just as some extra money for the family and they are not going to go back to work until the govt stops giving the extra money for a number of reasons.
1. They make more staying home.
2. Gives them more flexibility to do what the heck they want.
3. Child care. They can stay home, make more extra $$ for their family AND not have to pay for the child care? Hells yeah.
4. No evenings, weekends, holidays? hell yeah.
Fact of the matter is, the GOVT paying this much for unemployment is allowing more people to stay home. While it would drive me nuts, it is the way for so many. It is not usually their career, but just a job to them and for so many when they weigh the pros and cons of $$, free, time, expenses, ETC.......yeay, the govt is enabling them
It makes those stores less profitable. Business make decisions based on profit. Their resources are better utilized in more profitable markets.If the stores in the article are having to permanently close due to adding $4 per hour to their payroll, they were doomed before that. I understand that the cost impact of adding $4/hr. to their employees is likely a big hit right now, but if that puts them out permanently, then they were already gone.
The premise that they were doomed anyways is flawed. It would be near impossible for any business to increase the cost of payroll by 25-33%.It makes those stores less profitable.