It’s Time for a Shot Clock

CasualFan24 said:
If the average is already less than 35 seconds, than why are we arguing about it? It's not going to have much effect on MOST teams then. All those back shots you're talking about aren't going to happen any more than they already are with the average ToP being less than 35 seconds...?
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Back shots? Don't follow.

The only thing it will change is the rare instances where teams try to hold the ball because they know they don't match up typically in the early rounds of the tournament.
 
winbypin said:
I am very familiar with the stalling call in wrestling. You're still comparing apples to oranges. Stalling in wrestling is different than running an offense in basketball for an extended period of time or even standing at midcourt holding the ball. Have you ever wrestled? Do you know how hard it is to get out from the bottom when you're opponent is actually working to turn you? Do you know how much harder it is when he is content with basically lying on top of you and not trying to turn you? Hence the stalling call?

What options does a basketball defense have to stop a team from standing at midcourt holding the ball? It's real easy to come out and defend and force the action if the team wants. What everyone seems to forget in the RARE times a team is actually holding the ball is that the defensive team is choosing to let this happen. They are allowing it. It takes two to tango as they say.
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Wrestled from 4th grade all the way through HS. I am very familiar. And yeah, it was another bad example because usually stalling in wrestling happens by the wrestler that is winning and is just trying to get to the finish line without surrendering more points. OR by the person on bottom trying not to get pinned or tech falled. - it was a bad example by comparison, but was an example where there is at least a rule in place to force action.
 
winbypin said:
I would say you are wrong with that.
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There are certainly less games decided by 35+ points....than there are with say 15-30 point deficits where the stall ball tactic is used. I've been officiating basketball for 10 years, I have a pretty good eye on this one....
 
CasualFan24 said:
There are certainly less games decided by 35+ points....than there are with say 15-30 point deficits where the stall ball tactic is used. I've been officiating basketball for 10 years, I have a pretty good eye on this one....
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I am sure you see more games that I do but I have seen more running clocks than stall ball.

What are you calling stall ball btw? Standing at midcourt or just passing the ball around and running offense without shots?
 
winbypin said:
I am sure you see more games that I do but I have seen more running clocks than stall ball.

What are you calling stall ball btw? Standing at midcourt or just passing the ball around and running offense without shots?
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To me its moving the ball around with no attempt to get a shot. Dribble to a handoff, screen, dribble to the wing, pass it back....dribble to a handoff, screen....rinse and repeat. It's keep away with a basketball.

It's honestly not just that though....it's not really stall ball that irks me. As I said in my OP - there was a game Tuesday night between the top 2 teams in their league...ended up being a 5 point game. The one team went into a motion offense where they were passing, cutting, filling.....they probably moved it from one wing back to the other wing 8-10 times before an attempted shot. Like ok, I get that it's their prerogative to run that offense, but it's just not the brand of basketball most people want to see
 
CasualFan24 said:
To me its moving the ball around with no attempt to get a shot. Dribble to a handoff, screen, dribble to the wing, pass it back....dribble to a handoff, screen....rinse and repeat. It's keep away with a basketball.

It's honestly not just that though....it's not really stall ball that irks me. As I said in my OP - there was a game Tuesday night between the top 2 teams in their league...ended up being a 5 point game. The one team went into a motion offense where they were passing, cutting, filling.....they probably moved it from one wing back to the other wing 8-10 times before an attempted shot. Like ok, I get that it's their prerogative to run that offense, but it's just not the brand of basketball most people want to see
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I bet every fan of the winning team loved that brand of basketball. I know I do when our HS team does that and we win.

Your example is not stall ball in my opinion. They are giving the defense plenty of chances to create a turnover. Again, it's not the team in the lead's job to help the other team stay in the game.
 
AllSports12 said:
Naw, we laugh at people like you who yell "three seconds" when the ball is being tipped back in after a missed shot. ;) Takes all the stress away
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I reffed for ten years and never gave one T. I would guess you gave 50, right after you mocked and laughed at coaches.
 
?????? said:
I reffed for ten years and never gave one T.
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Thanks..... You were "that guy" we all had to clean up after.
?????? said:
I would guess you gave 50, right after you mocked and laughed at coaches.
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Never laughed at or mocked a coach before, during, or after I assessed a technical foul against him/her. And while I never counted, after over roughly 4,000 games, 75 sounds about the right number. (2 this year)


(I will patiently wait for your "good 'ol boy" attempt to insult ;) 😂)
 
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lasalle9802 said:
LaSalle 27
Moeller 26
Ouch…….
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Let me guess, there were bodies flying all over the floor all night, guys were being held, grabbed, tackled, pushed, knocked over, and being allowed to use two hands on defense, yet no one on LaSalle fouled out.

What they play is not basketball. The refs are just as much of a joke as their coach.
 
lasalle9802 said:
LaSalle 27
Moeller 26
Ouch…….
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I have been to 3 GCL games in my 23 years here in Cincinnati…The first one was a snoozer like this one…said never again..got coaxed into a second one by a close friend with similar action…the last one was the State game between Moe and Centerville a few years back…It was actually darkly comedic..Moe was way bigger and more athletic but refused to just pound the paint…they played ridiculously slow and let the Elks keep hanging around..now Centerville was very good but Moe was taller and more stout. With a few seconds left Cupps, who was a Frosh or Sophomore at the time nailed a 3 with a few seconds left for the win. A good coach in any sport plays to his teams advantage and looks to exploit any weaknesses of the opposition….blah blah blah…Moe has won some titles but hard not to with D1 and NBA talent year after year..like the Yankees with Ruth, Gehrig and Dimaggio 🤣
 
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