Hoban '23

ArmChairCoach said:
Was rumored to have interviewed for the YSU job when it opened up. I think he tried to move up the ladder. Already has the recruiting down, to be the next Saban ;)
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Thanks for the reply.... Do you think he wants a college HC job at a smaller school or would he take an assistant job at a larger school? Do you think he would be a good college HC? At Hoban, his Jimmies and Joes are better than 99% of the teams they play where in college the Jimmies and Joes are more evenly distributed... Do you think his X's and O's are good enough to succeed at the college level? The previous poster brought up Gerry Faust which I guess would be a comparable example except that Faust tried to make the leap from HS to an upper-echelon DI college program which I think was a mistake on ND's part....
 
Not sure if the desire is there to coach at the next level after being passed over for the YSU job a few years ago. That might have been his dream job being a Tressel guy and former Penguin. Has strong family ties in the Canton area with young kids so he may stay put for awhile but one never knows. His arrival at Hoban and AD tenure has transformed not just football but the facilities and most of the other sports programs.
 
ImpracticalJoker said:
Thanks for the reply.... Do you think he wants a college HC job at a smaller school or would he take an assistant job at a larger school? Do you think he would be a good college HC? At Hoban, his Jimmies and Joes are better than 99% of the teams they play where in college the Jimmies and Joes are more evenly distributed... Do you think his X's and O's are good enough to succeed at the college level? The previous poster brought up Gerry Faust which I guess would be a comparable example except that Faust tried to make the leap from HS to an upper-echelon DI college program which I think was a mistake on ND's part....
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Yeah no idea to what he wants. I know people will disagree but tbh I think the coaching/ offense side of the ball is meh. Granted he has hired a strong staff around him, especially the defensive side of the ball. I just think the offense has always had a stud RB but they were always 1 dimensional. Tbh I don’t think any of his QBs progressed during their time at Hoban and it always seemed like he was searching for the new model with no progression in the development of the position. Play calling would become 1 dimensional but when it works time after time why change. I think this was especially noticeable during the State championship games in which they lost to WW and TCC. They as well had stud players who could go Toe to toe with the Hoban lines, in yet offensive play calling both games was questionable and one dimensional.
I know I’ll receive flack for this from other posters but the weight/ training program at Hoban is just different than what most other schools can offer and it really helps them be bullies in the trenches. (Not talking steroids either)
 
ArmChairCoach said:
Yeah no idea to what he wants. I know people will disagree but tbh I think the coaching/ offense side of the ball is meh. Granted he has hired a strong staff around him, especially the defensive side of the ball. I just think the offense has always had a stud RB but they were always 1 dimensional. Tbh I don’t think any of his QBs progressed during their time at Hoban and it always seemed like he was searching for the new model with no progression in the development of the position. Play calling would become 1 dimensional but when it works time after time why change. I think this was especially noticeable during the State championship games in which they lost to WW and TCC. They as well had stud players who could go Toe to toe with the Hoban lines, in yet offensive play calling both games was questionable and one dimensional.
I know I’ll receive flack for this from other posters but the weight/ training program at Hoban is just different than what most other schools can offer and it really helps them be bullies in the trenches. (Not talking steroids either)
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I think Hamm progressed nicely through his 4 years. I'd agree in large part on the others but Hamm was a much more complete player at 18 than he was at 14 (as he should be).
 
clarkgriswold said:
I think Hamm progressed nicely through his 4 years. I'd agree in large part on the others but Hamm was a much more complete player at 18 than he was at 14 (as he should be).
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While Danny Clark didn't progress the way I thought he could have in his time at Hoban, he did have some excellent games in the state title games during his time there. So, when they opened up the offense against very good teams intent on stopping the run, to his credit he was able to produce. The Knights had some excellent receivers during those years and I always thought they should have been a more balanced offense. But, then again, if I were a newer coach and had the chance to hand the ball off to Todd Sibley 40 times a game, I'm not sure I'd have done anything differently!
 
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Ohiofootball76 said:
Even with a loaded Hoban Sr class im sure he will see plenty of varsity time. Im sure he would completely destroy any freshman football player.
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Did you ever consider his age. He’s a 16 year old freshman that hasn’t started freshman year. Yes he’s a monster. But is he really playing as a freshman at 16? He’s driving to freshman workouts and the school year hasn’t started
 
ImpracticalJoker said:
How so? Is it the facilities/equipment they have available? Is it the weight training staff? I noticed you used the word "can" instead of the word "do".... Interesting....
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Like mentioned above and it’s exactly what that article mentions. Winkler was a professional sports strength and conditioning coach, which a lot of schools do not have.m, especially very few publics. His support staff is great. They work in raw fundamentals of lifting when the freshmen show up to help avoid injury, not just say hey here’s the lift and weight go do it. The facilities rival that of a small D2/3 college. They have nutritional plans for their athletes to follow. Funding is there and every sport has a tailor made strength program. I truly believe it’s why you see Hoban being so strong in the post season and minimal injuries every year. It’s hard to see any high school rival Hoban’s strength program. The kids do not need to go out and get extra training on the side.
There are always exceptions like probably the big D1 football powers and Massillon but I can’t see many more. A lot of schools have a hard time passing a levy for new educational equipment, let alone a dedicated strength program. That’s why I said they offer more than what other schools “can” offer.
 
World breaker hulk 282 said:
I know this is the Hoban site. But I am banned from the massilon site. For what I have no idea.
but massilon is always on this site. I heard they suspended all practice at massilon. Is this true?
Something about superintendent and bullying????
Have no idea if it’s true. Not trying to malign anyone. Or make reckless speculation. Yappi gods
But I did hear it from a decent source something went down and practices and maybe even lifting is stopped until something is investigated????
If not true I’m sorry. But I suspect it’s got more than a little merit
It’s not illegal recruiting or anything of that nature
It had to do with bullying?
hope not true and sorry if it’s not true
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You could post a separate thread about this rather than invite the inevitable cluster**** this will become into this thread.
 
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World breaker hulk 282 said:
I know this is the Hoban site. But I am banned from the massilon site. For what I have no idea.
but massilon is always on this site. I heard they suspended all practice at massilon. Is this true?
Something about superintendent and bullying????
Have no idea if it’s true. Not trying to malign anyone. Or make reckless speculation. Yappi gods
But I did hear it from a decent source something went down and practices and maybe even lifting is stopped until something is investigated????
If not true I’m sorry. But I suspect it’s got more than a little merit
It’s not illegal recruiting or anything of that nature
It had to do with bullying?
hope not true and sorry if it’s not true
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ArmChairCoach said:
Like mentioned above and it’s exactly what that article mentions. Winkler was a professional sports strength and conditioning coach, which a lot of schools do not have.m, especially very few publics. His support staff is great. They work in raw fundamentals of lifting when the freshmen show up to help avoid injury, not just say hey here’s the lift and weight go do it. The facilities rival that of a small D2/3 college. They have nutritional plans for their athletes to follow. Funding is there and every sport has a tailor made strength program. I truly believe it’s why you see Hoban being so strong in the post season and minimal injuries every year. It’s hard to see any high school rival Hoban’s strength program. The kids do not need to go out and get extra training on the side.
There are always exceptions like probably the big D1 football powers and Massillon but I can’t see many more. A lot of schools have a hard time passing a levy for new educational equipment, let alone a dedicated strength program. That’s why I said they offer more than what other schools “can” offer.
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Chardon Head Coach Mitch Hewitt’s speech dedicating the new weight room last year. In my biased opinion, Chardon has one of the all-time great off-season weight training programs for any private or public programs in the State. Only way to be a public state power since the late 80’s (there were a few down years in that time, but not many).

 
MassillonTigers3 said:
Isn’t this implying that Hoban gets the bulk of its players from the catholic feeder schools and that there are very few Akron city public school kids going there? Looking at their starting lineup I have a real hard time believing that those kids are faith based Catholics…

I did agree with a lot of what you said though and maybe I’m interpreting that part incorrectly.

Side note, didn’t Tyrell get in a little bit of trouble the other year for going into middle school cafeterias to talk to kids about coming to Hoban to play football?
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Yes, It was about 5 years ago. I believe he was suspended for the summer from his team. Not much of a punishment.
 
Tiger33 said:
These guys are so full of Shizz it’s not even funny. “Faith based education” and they don’t recruit. For years and years Hoban was average at best and now suddenly are on the cusp of dominating all of Ohio in multiple sports. These people really think that we’re that naive? I’ve already stated to that dude that I know the process and how it works. Again I’ve had family and friends go through it. And all of you can hate Massillon all you want we don’t care. I’m just sick of the narrative that you just tried to make stating that basically they don’t recruit. Stop with that dumb shizz. No one that has half a brain believes they’re not recruiting kids and trying to turning into a national powerhouse. Which by the way they’re doing a pretty good job of. But please Stop trying to insult our intelligence even though us a Massillon guys aren’t very bright. These fools don’t recruit but have more D1 football players in one school than most of the entire stark/summit area. Oh, and by the way it’s Massillon not Massilon. Must be that faith based education you got too huh?
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What has hurt public school, is that the state has given vouchers to city kids to attend catholic schools. So in essence it is the taxpayers from the cities that fund the transfer of these recruited students. Not only that but city school districts have to bus these kids to their schools, even if it is only 5 kids. Also the state of Ohio give a lot of money for other services that come from the taxpayer. What is funny, the vouchers are only given out to mostly athletics and the students that are catholic have to pay. They are the students who cheer in the stands with their painted faces and bare shin showing. If they did not get that voucher money many of the catholic schools would close. If you notice, their are very few catholic elementary schools left. So the only solution is to vote the legislatures out of office that support this system. Including the current governor.
 
emobuck said:
What has hurt public school, is that the state has given vouchers to city kids to attend catholic schools. So in essence it is the taxpayers from the cities that fund the transfer of these recruited students. Not only that but city school districts have to bus these kids to their schools, even if it is only 5 kids. Also the state of Ohio give a lot of money for other services that come from the taxpayer. What is funny, the vouchers are only given out to mostly athletics and the students that are catholic have to pay. They are the students who cheer in the stands with their painted faces and bare shin showing. If they did not get that voucher money many of the catholic schools would close. If you notice, their are very few catholic elementary schools left. So the only solution is to vote the legislatures out of office that support this system. Including the current governor.
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You’re certainly right about catholic grade schools closing and consolidating at a high rate recently. Barely any left in stark county anymore
 
emobuck said:
What has hurt public school, is that the state has given vouchers to city kids to attend catholic schools. So in essence it is the taxpayers from the cities that fund the transfer of these recruited students. Not only that but city school districts have to bus these kids to their schools, even if it is only 5 kids. Also the state of Ohio give a lot of money for other services that come from the taxpayer. What is funny, the vouchers are only given out to mostly athletics and the students that are catholic have to pay. They are the students who cheer in the stands with their painted faces and bare shin showing. If they did not get that voucher money many of the catholic schools would close. If you notice, their are very few catholic elementary schools left. So the only solution is to vote the legislatures out of office that support this system. Including the current governor.
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You have made exactly my point. Those “vouchers” are absolutely given to the athletic side of things for the most part. It’s easy for these schools to dominate. That’s all I’ve been trying to say. And you’re absolutely right about which ones are paying to go to these schools. I’ve stated before about some relatives of mine and I can for a fact tell you how that all went down when one was an athlete and one wasn’t, same school in Cincinnati. Don’t get me wrong I’d do it too if I could it’s just funny how most people try to deny that’s how this whole thing works and the main reason they can dominate. And for the record I don’t deny Massillon gets transfers. So save that argument for someone else.
 
Id say less than 10% of vouchers end up to kids that are athletes at a given Catholic School. Its fair if you go to an academically failing school district like, Akron City, Canton City , and Massillon Washington that kids should have the option to go to a solid academic school.
 
World breaker hulk 282 said:
Did you ever consider his age. He’s a 16 year old freshman that hasn’t started freshman year. Yes he’s a monster. But is he really playing as a freshman at 16? He’s driving to freshman workouts and the school year hasn’t started
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Do you know his birthday or are you just assuming? These days a 15 year old freshman is very common at all schools.
 
Will Satterwhite commits to Tennessee. Congrats to Will.

247sports has him as the #11 player in Ohio for ‘24.
Rivals has him ranked #4 in the state.
 
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