Ask The Ump?
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AllSports12
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No. If that were the case, then every runner would be called out when they round a base in an attempt to advance to the next base.
Running out of the base paths involves the defense making an attempt to put a runner out.
I just saw the video, R2 definitely did not touch third and based on HPU standing there long after run scored, it was obvious he saw it and was waiting for a possible appeal.
Hell yeah, money call. I talked to one of them after the game and they all knew what was going on. Game smarts are what set a state finals guy above the rest.
Also there was no play being made on R2 so you cannot call this. It really only applies when there is a chance at a play. Like AS12 said, every batter rounding first on a clean hit would be out then.
AllSports12
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Bizarre ending to Division 1 baseball final | A bizarre series of events 😅 | By Bally Sports Wisconsin | Facebook
A bizarre series of events 😅
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darn near exact situation happened in Wisconsin over the weekend
Thavoice
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Or maybe you aren't privvy to what the ohsaa is going to do next season....hahaCoach of 16U team......
There's your answer
AllSports12
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In this situation..... There was only one out.Bizarre ending to Division 1 baseball final | A bizarre series of events 😅 | By Bally Sports Wisconsin | Facebook
A bizarre series of events 😅
darn near exact situation happened in Wisconsin over the weekend
Is the 16U team one of those Grand Master of the Universe Super Terrific Ultimate Select Teams?
AllSports12
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And that is the case under every rule code.
Yappi
Go Buckeyes
Interesting play in a MLB game but I believe would apply to HS baseball. Would the run score under NFHS rules?
AllSports12
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The result would have been the same under NFHS rules.
Out on the catch by F3.
The next out is the tag of the runner (R2) going from second to third
The subsequent "out" is stepping on third base for the runner (R3) having left early and never returning.
In my review of the rule book for NFHS, it seems that this falls under 8-2-6 (i), which is fourth out appeal. I think if the defense was to properly appeal that the runner left third early, they could get the "fourth out" to nullify the run. However, the defense has to properly appeal this as the third out of the inning is the tag of R2.
If F5 had stepped on 3B before tagging R2, then it is obviously no run w/o appeal necessary.
The next out is the tag of the runner (R2) going from second to third
The subsequent "out" is stepping on third base for the runner (R3) having left early and never returning.
In my review of the rule book for NFHS, it seems that this falls under 8-2-6 (i), which is fourth out appeal. I think if the defense was to properly appeal that the runner left third early, they could get the "fourth out" to nullify the run. However, the defense has to properly appeal this as the third out of the inning is the tag of R2.
If F5 had stepped on 3B before tagging R2, then it is obviously no run w/o appeal necessary.
Smarty2022
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You left out Elite,LOL
Ha ha ha ha ha my mistake.
I had one of these super elite grandmaster teams yesterday. Whenever I have games with them I always, always, always, verify the rules code we’re playing before the game. They said high school.
Seven innings, two ejections, and 13 runs given up later, the game ended.
The first person that got tossed was the head coach of the grand elite all star team who told us that despite what we thought, the 3rd to 1st move was a balk in high school rules. Prolonged argument involving his use of profanity.
The second was the assistant coach who took over who threw his hat to the ground at my partner after a ground rule double (we were on turf) with a runner on first. He argued that the runner should have scored vs placed at third because he would’ve scored had the ball not been a ground rule double. It’s not two bases for other runners just the batter, he argued and told us it was our judgment as to where he went. He told us “I’m tired of Umpire‘s getting this one wrong.” Yeah buddy here’s the thing that’s the rule in every code. He also tried to tell us that he’s been a scout for the Reds for 25 years and that no Umpire knew what they were doing ever.
There were lots of other things, it was definitely the weirdest game I’ve ever worked I think in 25 years.
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AllSports12
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Had one with a player stuck with his family, but was able to make it in the 4th.... Never a PPD because of it.
Yappi
Go Buckeyes
I'm assuming that this was the homeplate umpire's call but the 3rd base umpire made a mistake by calling dead ball. IMO, it should have been overruled as an umpire error and position the runners based on where they believe they would have gotten if not for the mistaken time signal by the 3rd base ump. LF looks to have slowed up based on the erroneous foul signal. Stinks to see a big call like this made a critical point...
CoachHoversten
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This is BU call. If the ball travels past front edge of bag, it’s BU call.
This should have been dead ball, and if rule supports changing call, then fine, but it should not been left live.
i know in NCAA this can not be overturned bc ball did not first touch ground beyond the third baseman, but im not sure if LL uses NFHS or OBR
This should have been dead ball, and if rule supports changing call, then fine, but it should not been left live.
i know in NCAA this can not be overturned bc ball did not first touch ground beyond the third baseman, but im not sure if LL uses NFHS or OBR
AllSports12
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The Little League Rule states.....
If different decisions should be made one one play by different umpires, the Umpire-in-Chief shall call the umpires into consultation with no manager or player present. After consultation the Umpire-in Chief shall which decision shall prevail, based on which umpire was in the best position and which decision was most likely correct. Play shall proceed as if only the final decision had been made.
Knowing that.... some things to consider.....
- The "consultation" was the replay.
- The BU was in the grass in foul territory when the ball passed 3rd base
- If the PU cedes the call to U3 (as he should have) you would most likely have a review. That review would still result in a fair ball and a judgment on whether or not R1 would have scored on the play (another hornet's nest )
If different decisions should be made one one play by different umpires, the Umpire-in-Chief shall call the umpires into consultation with no manager or player present. After consultation the Umpire-in Chief shall which decision shall prevail, based on which umpire was in the best position and which decision was most likely correct. Play shall proceed as if only the final decision had been made.
Knowing that.... some things to consider.....
- The "consultation" was the replay.
- The BU was in the grass in foul territory when the ball passed 3rd base
- If the PU cedes the call to U3 (as he should have) you would most likely have a review. That review would still result in a fair ball and a judgment on whether or not R1 would have scored on the play (another hornet's nest
)CoachHoversten
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Interesting, is that a LL specific rule ? So far as I know, all codes (HS, NCAA, OBR) restrict what can be overturned in regards to foul to fair.
this reads like LL has no restriction?
this reads like LL has no restriction?
AllSports12
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LL has their own rule book.
We have a lot of kids that complain that umps already are calling that a strike. (Umpires- the players are wrong and we tell them that)
I got to be there to see this because you said the runner was out of the baseline by 12 feet. I would have had to see what caused him to do so before I rule on this. Because yo do know he has to avoid the fielder fielding the ball correct?
AllSports12
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This post you refer to is over 10 years old. The correct answers are posted immediately below the question.
Yappi
Go Buckeyes
Runners on 1st and 3rd with 2 outs.
Batter hits a HR. Runner from 3rd misses home plate. Runner from 1st touches home plate. Batter touches home plate. After both score, the original runner from 3rd is told to go back and touch home.
Is the runner automatically out? Does the defense have to appeal? How many runs score? No harm, no foul?
Batter hits a HR. Runner from 3rd misses home plate. Runner from 1st touches home plate. Batter touches home plate. After both score, the original runner from 3rd is told to go back and touch home.
Is the runner automatically out? Does the defense have to appeal? How many runs score? No harm, no foul?