Lol on the flipping the coin. Double stalling is one those situations that we discuss every year in our local association meetings. Some refs don't like to call it at all and some will call it.
I haven't heard of any communication that it shouldn't be called anymore.
Scenario: Top man has double legs in and the bottom man can't work to his base, but is fighting off wrist and hand control. After a few seconds, neither wrestler is able to advance their position.
I've seen this situation called a number of ways: 1. Bottom man gets called for stalling because he does not work to his base. 2. Top man gets called for stalling for not advancing the move. 3. Stalemate is called.
What is the correct call?
The safest, most common sense call from the situation you described would be a stalemate. If it continued after the restart I would be less inclined to call a stalemate and would be looking harder for stalling by one or both.
This response interests me, because my wrestlers have been on the receiving end of stalling calls from the bottom position here, and I can never get a good explanation from the ref. The official says that bottom man is stalling because he isn't trying to get out - but how can he get out when the top man just keeps both legs in and continues to roll wrists?While I pretty much agree with this, I do have a question.
Based on what was written, what is keeping the offensive man from changing or improving? He is choosing this attack but (again from what is written) he does have options. Unhook a leg and create an angle.
A stalemate is a situation where neither wrestler CAN improve. At least from what I am seeing, that is not the case. Certainly the defensive man has few options.
I agree that if it is called a stalemate the first time, I would be looking very seriously at the offensive man if it were to happen again.
While I pretty much agree with this, I do have a question.
Based on what was written, what is keeping the offensive man from changing or improving? He is choosing this attack but (again from what is written) he does have options. Unhook a leg and create an angle.
A stalemate is a situation where neither wrestler CAN improve. At least from what I am seeing, that is not the case. Certainly the defensive man has few options.
I agree that if it is called a stalemate the first time, I would be looking very seriously at the offensive man if it were to happen again.
The original post was rather vague relative to what the top man was actually doing to work for a fall. Therein my explanation.
Kinda wish there was consistency.
Second this motion.high school folkstyle could go to a modified top/down scenario, to eliminate this endless discussion that is never resolved. Lets go to how freestyle is with modification:
...if top man cant turn bottom guy within 30 seconds then both are put on their feet in neutral. So now theres no stalling or stalemates.
...however, could still keep rules that bottom man can reverse for 2 or get out for 1 point in that time. what u think?? ...s/BobP
high school folkstyle could go to a modified top/down scenario, to eliminate this endless discussion that is never resolved. Lets go to how freestyle is with modification:
...if top man cant turn bottom guy within 30 seconds then both are put on their feet in neutral. So now theres no stalling or stalemates.
...however, could still keep rules that bottom man can reverse for 2 or get out for 1 point in that time. what u think?? ...s/BobP
Second this motion.
I was informed a few weeks ago that double stalling is no longer a rule. Is this true? I was told by a local ad that he recieved an email on it but when I aske a few different refs they were not aware of the rule change.
If it is true how should I approach the question to a ref. I hardly ever see it but I did have a match that the 2 wrestlers were hit with double stalling in the first period. I asked the ref after the match about the rule change and he wasn't aware of the possible rule change so I then asked him if it was changed how would he have made the call? He told me that he would have basically flipped a coin????
Third it!
Though I love FS, I might modify it further, I would probably limit the "exposure" scoring. Simply rolling someone over shouldn't score points
Here's my dream sport, it's called Fr-olk Style:
1.) Back to the feet within 30 seconds
2.) 15 points for a tech
3.) Near falls score points, not just simple exposure
4.) Push-outs worth 1
I know. "Kids wouldn't learn how to ride out" and this would hamper the 0.3% of wreslters who go on to wrestle in college. I still think it would be a lot more entertaining, for both wrestler and fan alike.