2022-23 Indiana Hoosiers

14Red

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I'll likely be posting alot about Indiana and since we are only a short distance away, and there may be some Hoosier fans on here, I'll start a thread. This can also be a big ten basketball thread as well.

I'm really optimistic about this year's version of the Hoosiers. It's been tough sledding over the last few years, especially the expectations of the Archie Miller era that we downhill fast. Mike Woodson inherited a couple of really good, classy seniors in Trayce Jackson-Davis and Race Thompson and they will be the unquestioned leaders of this team. Last year transfers Miller Kopp and Xavier Johnson came to IU and provided some much needed support. NOW, Woodson has hit the jackpot with a freshman class that could put IU back in the contention for not only a big ten title, but a deep tournament run.

First test, passed. Nationally probably not alot of juice, but this team going to Xavier and winning Friday night was big. IU has had a really tough time winning on the road in the big ten the last few years. Xavier has a home court advantage like alot of big ten teams do, so getting out of there with a hard fought win is impressive. Simply put, we'll go as far as Jackson-Davis takes us. He's a guy who who maybe never thought he'd be at IU 4 years initially. But he's an old school 4, back to the basket, post ups and rarely takes shots outside of 5 foot. That's doesn't blend well with today's brand of NBA basketball. I give Trayce alot of credit for sticking it out. Too many times in the past these guys leave too early for the NBA, not ready and they don't ever become a player they become, or they don't have a college career they expected. A few names in my mind from IU's recent history is OG Annoby, Noah Vonleah and Thomas Bryant. TJD will walk out of IU, barring injury as one of the programs greatest players ever. And that's saying something. If you're over 40 years old, you remember how dominant Indiana basketball was in the 70's and 80's.

HUGE difference in this year's and last years teams with the addition of freshman Jalen Hood-Shafino, Malik Reneau, CJ Gunn and Kaleb Banks. Hood-Shafino and Reneua are plug and play, ready to go freshman. Add them to TJD, Thompson, Johnson and Kopp and suddenly IU has a 7-8 man rotation they never got to last season. Add holdovers Jordan Geronimo, Trey Galloway and Tamar Bates and you may see Woodson go with 10-11 guys on certain nights and matchups.
Pretty excited to see this season unfold. Next test is North Carolina Nov 30.
 

14Red

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And how could I ever forget maybe one of the biggest busts from IU, Romeo Langford.
 

Thavoice

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I'll likely be posting alot about Indiana and since we are only a short distance away, and there may be some Hoosier fans on here, I'll start a thread. This can also be a big ten basketball thread as well.

I'm really optimistic about this year's version of the Hoosiers. It's been tough sledding over the last few years, especially the expectations of the Archie Miller era that we downhill fast. Mike Woodson inherited a couple of really good, classy seniors in Trayce Jackson-Davis and Race Thompson and they will be the unquestioned leaders of this team. Last year transfers Miller Kopp and Xavier Johnson came to IU and provided some much needed support. NOW, Woodson has hit the jackpot with a freshman class that could put IU back in the contention for not only a big ten title, but a deep tournament run.

First test, passed. Nationally probably not alot of juice, but this team going to Xavier and winning Friday night was big. IU has had a really tough time winning on the road in the big ten the last few years. Xavier has a home court advantage like alot of big ten teams do, so getting out of there with a hard fought win is impressive. Simply put, we'll go as far as Jackson-Davis takes us. He's a guy who who maybe never thought he'd be at IU 4 years initially. But he's an old school 4, back to the basket, post ups and rarely takes shots outside of 5 foot. That's doesn't blend well with today's brand of NBA basketball. I give Trayce alot of credit for sticking it out. Too many times in the past these guys leave too early for the NBA, not ready and they don't ever become a player they become, or they don't have a college career they expected. A few names in my mind from IU's recent history is OG Annoby, Noah Vonleah and Thomas Bryant. TJD will walk out of IU, barring injury as one of the programs greatest players ever. And that's saying something. If you're over 40 years old, you remember how dominant Indiana basketball was in the 70's and 80's.

HUGE difference in this year's and last years teams with the addition of freshman Jalen Hood-Shafino, Malik Reneau, CJ Gunn and Kaleb Banks. Hood-Shafino and Reneua are plug and play, ready to go freshman. Add them to TJD, Thompson, Johnson and Kopp and suddenly IU has a 7-8 man rotation they never got to last season. Add holdovers Jordan Geronimo, Trey Galloway and Tamar Bates and you may see Woodson go with 10-11 guys on certain nights and matchups.
Pretty excited to see this season unfold. Next test is North Carolina Nov 30.
For the first time in a long time I watched an IU game and didnt walk away disgusted.

LEts hope we can keep building and not fall off again after talent (TJD) leaves. I wanna dust off my spot on the bandwagon but man it has been tough over the years.
 

14Red

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For the first time in a long time I watched an IU game and didnt walk away disgusted.

LEts hope we can keep building and not fall off again after talent (TJD) leaves. I wanna dust off my spot on the bandwagon but man it has been tough over the years.
I'm not sure it's going to be long lasting, at this point the only freshman that I've heard that could be a one and done is Hood-Shafino, but we'll see how this season goes. I think Woodson has proven over a short time that he can recruit and with IU's fanbase, I think the Hoosiers are in a good spot with the new NIL deals.
 

Thavoice

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I'm not sure it's going to be long lasting, at this point the only freshman that I've heard that could be a one and done is Hood-Shafino, but we'll see how this season goes. I think Woodson has proven over a short time that he can recruit and with IU's fanbase, I think the Hoosiers are in a good spot with the new NIL deals.
I am of the ole General days and held a grudge for a long, long time. When he returned a few years ago it was a way for me to forgive, but not forget. Had a good, short run and fell back to earth. Crean did what he could, came along at an impossible time after when they hired that shyster who was already in trouble and it wrecked the program. I cringe that he is doing well at, well i forget where he is at now (houston maybe?) because it was a stoopid hire.

Had high hopes during the Miller days and that disappointed. Liked Woodson hire, but thought it wouldnt work but doggone it, he just may work out. Need some outside shooting to compliment the inside game but I prefer this style over teams who live and die by the three.
 

14Red

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Well voice, looks like me and you eh? We are cut from the same cloth, I grew up in the Knight era and loved those Hoosier teams in the 70's and 80's. Unfortunately we had to live through the end of the Knight era and I'm not going to say he didn't have alot to do with it. As he got older, he became more and more defiant and tone deaf, not unlike guy I grew up liking in Pete Rose.
It amazes me these older college coaches who seem to do whatever they want and they never adjust to the times. I REALLY like what Knight stood for - discipline - graduate players - no cheating. But he also didn't adjust to the modern athlete.
Kelvin Sampson was a bad hire, but they wanted and needed to make a big splash. Funny that today, Sampson is probably fine because the NCAA has pretty much wiped it's hands from any recruiting violations.
I kind of wish they would had rode it out with Mike Davis, but maybe he simply wasn't going to do what the boosters wanted. That last team that made the NCAA final with him was magical.
I really liked Tom Crean, I thought he was pushed out again because the boosters wanted too much from the coach. The Hoosiers have not got back to his teams yet.
I thought Archie was going to be a good hire, but it was evident that he's just not able to recruit top talent and the style we played was horrid. I think today, the big time programs you have to play the AAU/ one and done game with kids. It drives me nuts how so many kids think they are one and dones and they obviously are not. I think 4 years ago, if you told TJD he was still going to be in Bloomington he's say you were crazy. I have so much respect for that kid because he didn't chase the money like so many before him have. Romeo Langford's pro basketball career is basically over. He's can't even get minutes on bad NBA teams. He's got a career of Gleague or going overseas.
I said it watching his one year at IU. He could not shoot, he played very lackadaisical. I can't believe the Celtics picked him at #12.
 

14Red

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Nice win for the Hoosiers last night against a North Carolina team that was #1 last just last week. They've now lost 3 in a row. I'm going to curb my enthusiasm just a little until the big ten gets underway. If IU can continue this trend into the big ten season, then we may get excited come March. Now unlike big ten football which is trash, big ten hoops is really good, although they can't seem to win national championships. It's been what, since the early 2000's with Michigan State's last big ten national championship.
Purdue looks like they are going to be for real again this year, Michigan, Michigan State, Wisconsin is normally good. Wonder if Illinois may drop off a bit.
 

eastisbest

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You forgot to mention Maryland.

Minn shot lights out, Edey only so-so and Purdue still won by 19. Minn was without one of their best. It was close until half-way through the 4th. As fouls and watching players bounce off Edey built-up but he has decent back-up. Good solid Indiana players. The two Fr that came in are running the team. Past that, we're short on true PG's. Michigan bests us in the post the last two years and I don't expect anything less this year. Indiana has speed all over the floor. The teams with solid pg depth will wear on Purdue.

B10 going to be a dog-fight and they may actually be worth the typical over-rating that goes on with them.

Purdue's wins only showed Gonzaga over-rated as usual and that Duke is young. If their coach is any good, the Duke at end of season will look nothing like Duke at the beginning. They're going to be tough. NC? Who predicted that? Houston? Juries out. Wins are there but not quality. VA looks tough again.
 
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14Red

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Incredibly disappointing loss at Rutgers on Saturday for IU. I had really hoped we were beyond this playing like crap on the road. Until IU can prove they can make 3's regularly, this will be the theme. Pack the paint and let the Hoosiers chuck it from the cheap seats. Thank goodness Miller Kopp showed up or we'd had 30 for the game. TJD was completely neutralized by the zone and few adjustments were made. Jalen Hood-Shafino was a late scratch with back spasms.....what 18 year old has back spasms?? Is this Romeo Langford 2.0?
 
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