2021 valley view spartans

HardCorps

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Reading between the lines, this seems logical to me as well. Coaches weren't given opportunities to improve or to change what was found. That's probably the part that feels the most difficult to stomach.

From a pure football perspective, I do think this hurts the program overall. Not just from losing a head coach with a lot of experience, or how this was handled, I think both coordinators were good at coaching their specialty. I personally think the OC was outstanding. He did a lot to help kids get exposure to recruiting for one. He also was very detailed with how he coached the offense and on how he coached each player personally. I expected him to eventually be a potential head coach at VV in the future. The DC coached one of the stronger classes, the current Soph more class, when they were in middle school. Many in the community pointed towards that group as being the next great VV class. That also feels a little empty now losing him as they hit their two prime years in football.

At VV, many in the community get blinded by those state championships in the 90's. So every season they think it's a chance for another state title. But since Jay Niswonger left, the teams that actually have state championship quality teams have been few and far between. BUT, with that being said, the past 4-5 years have produced some of the best VV teams in the past 15 years. Teams that are building towards state championship type runs. Those were under Coach Stid and these two coordinators. You could make an argument that the VV team that lost to CM in 2017 (20-28), was the third best team in the state. The winner of that CM/VV game felt like they would play for state, which Clinton Massie did, ultimately losing to Steubenville. The 2019 VV team was one of the better teams in DIV that season. Beating both Roger Bacon and CM before losing to eventual state champion Wyoming. And I think you can argue that the 2020 VV team was one of the better teams in DIV losing in the Regional Final to Wyoming in 2OTs. From my perspective, the program was actually meeting higher standards on the field recently, has a great class heading towards their junior season, and now will lose what many view, are very quality coaches.
They need that dynamic offensive mind/talent from a coach.
 

BlessEmAll

Moderator
It takes so much to build what Jay did. He, McSurley and Hetrick at Versailles are masters at getting the kids to play and development of that talent. The kids bought in 1000%. We did at Milton in my day but the systems weren't in place to give us a chance. No minimizing what Valley View did first and best in the SWBL.
 

EHSalumni2

Member
I can't believe Chad Murphy isn't being discussed more. In my opinion, hes one of the best high school coaches out there. He turned around Hamilton and built a program, before being canned when he was getting his best talent. He's been at the high school level from all top divisions as a coordinator, has coached around many coaches, and has been at the college level. I think he should be at the top of the list for many schools.
 

ex_dc_atc

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I can't believe Chad Murphy isn't being discussed more. In my opinion, hes one of the best high school coaches out there. He turned around Hamilton and built a program, before being canned when he was getting his best talent. He's been at the high school level from all top divisions as a coordinator, has coached around many coaches, and has been at the college level. I think he should be at the top of the list for many schools.
I can't say if he has been discussed by these schools in particular. He may have been. I'm not familiar enough to say either way.
 

HardCorps

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VV usually does. Then again, I think their OC did a fine job with that. Maybe they'll reach out to Coach Niswonger. He's a VV legend, still coaching as OC at Beavercreek. It would be a full circle to bring him back.
THAT would be interesting. That is how small schools win state championships; dynamic coaches develop dynamic players such as qb. Just imagine if Madison had developed a qb that could throw a 10 yard screen pass.
 

alk4474

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Do they want Jay back? Not like he was killing it when he left..
Personally I don’t think he’ll come back unless there’s like a short term thing to fill-in he told me himself it’s a different time it’s really really hard to coach in this time. I’ll parents think their kids going pro
 

alk4474

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To be honest, I haven't heard anything about the new coaching search. Seems very quiet. I think there was still hope of things not going that route.
A lot of dirty stuff is going on From the school board. I guess they had a deal work out to bring all the coaches back from last year and then one the school board members decided to change the his vote Now I said their going to ago in a different direction with coaching
 

HardCorps

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A lot of dirty stuff is going on From the school board. I guess they had a deal work out to bring all the coaches back from last year and then one the school board members decided to change the his vote Now I said their going to ago in a different direction with coaching
There was a board member that had a pudgy 5’11” son that played basketball who had received a letter from Bobby Knight (The General). That is how whacked out some of those people have to be.
 

BlessEmAll

Moderator
Every school deals with it. Valley View will rebound but I don't think Jay is the guy for these kids of today. We though the kids in the late 80s and through the 90s were soft. These kids today are very soft. Jay would ruin some kids. Lol
 

alk4474

Well-known member
I found this on Facebook. #STANDWITHSKID
#STANDWITHVVCOACHES

Please tell me again why Mr. Richards and a few board members who have no spine are not listening to the community and realize what great coaches we have!!
5 years 43-13 record, as well as the below accomplishments!
2016
SW District Coach of The Year – Div. 4
Dayton Daily News Coach of The Year – Div. 4/5
2017
SWBL Coach of The Year
SW District Coach of The Year – Div. 4
MVFCA Coach of The Year – Div. 4
State of Ohio Coach of The Year – Div. 4
2019
MVFCA Coach of The year – Div. 4
Dayton Daily News Coach of The Year – Div. 4/5
2020
MVFCA Coach of The Year – Div. 4
Butch Stidham
MVFCA Assistant Coach of The Year – 2019 & 2020
 
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