Youngest head coaches in the state?

 
NWOsportfan said:
Hard to fathom hiring a 22 yr old to lead a football program
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His old man is the DC (who basically ran the team last year) and his entire extended family was the staff the last couple of years, he will be fine. But I do agree, todays age of social media, etc teachers and coaches need to be a minimum of 25. I think about my first coordinator job when I was in my early/mid 20's my view of the world was completely different than a well established adult with a family, mortgage, etc.
 
lightspeed84 said:
His old man is the DC (who basically ran the team last year) and his entire extended family was the staff the last couple of years, he will be fine. But I do agree, todays age of social media, etc teachers and coaches need to be a minimum of 25. I think about my first coordinator job when I was in my early/mid 20's my view of the world was completely different than a well established adult with a family, mortgage, etc.
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So in a field that is already struggling to find qualified candidates, you want them to wait an additional 3 years after college? That's a sure fire way to make the teacher and coach shortage exponentially worse.
 
cincifbfan said:
So in a field that is already struggling to find qualified candidates, you want them to wait an additional 3 years after college? That's a sure fire way to make the teacher and coach shortage exponentially worse.
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It's not struggling in Ohio (especially teaching), there is a just a compensation problem in coaching. I really don't care its not a hill I am willing to die on (referring to my 25 to teach). I played professionally (NFL/AFL) for a couple years and basically had to rewire my entire brain and how I thought and interacted with regular people (sort of like someone in military, again key word being sort of, I am not comparing myself to military and their sacrifices in anyway), maybe regular 22 year olds that have graduated from college and have no real life experience in anything and are connected by a device (I am glad I didn't access to), maybe more mature and worldly. I think not but whatever.
 
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lightspeed84 said:
It's not struggling in Ohio (especially teaching), there is a just a compensation problem in coaching. I really don't care its not a hill I am willing to die on. I played professionally (NFL/AFL) for a couple years and basically had to rewire my entire brain and how I thought (sort of like someone in military, again key word being sort of, I am not comparing myself to military and their sacrifices in anyway), maybe regular 22 year olds that have graduated from college and have no real life experience in anything and are connected by a device I am glad I didn't access to, are more mature and worldly. I think not but whatever.
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In The Greater Cincinnati School Consortium Application, there are currently over 300 teaching position posted for next year. It's March. And that does NOT include Cincinnati Public Schools, which is having a career fair on April 6.

I have never seen anywhere close to this many openings this early in the spring. And that's in Cincy where you have teaching programs at UC, XU, MSJ, Miami, Wilmington, NKU, Thomas More and not too far away you also have Dayton & Wright State. And many districts are cutting positions, yet we have over 300 openings, not counting the largest district in the region.

So, yes, there is definitely a teaching shortage.
 
cincifbfan said:
In The Greater Cincinnati School Consortium Application, there are currently over 300 teaching position posted for next year. It's March. And that does NOT include Cincinnati Public Schools, which is having a career fair on April 6.

I have never seen anywhere close to this many openings this early in the spring. And that's in Cincy where you have teaching programs at UC, XU, MSJ, Miami, Wilmington, NKU, Thomas More and not too far away you also have Dayton & Wright State. And many districts are cutting positions, yet we have over 300 openings, not counting the largest district in the region.

So, yes, there is definitely a teaching shortage.
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And yet you go up throughout the state there are teacher RIFs occurring and 10 plus applicants for most teaching jobs. The big city schools may have openings but not majority of school districts in Ohio who are struggling to pass levies, etc. I would'nt call it a shortage but a surplus of bad jobs in areas that are not affordable to live in unless you wanna put life at risk.
 
lightspeed84 said:
And yet you go up throughout the state there are teacher RIFs occurring and 10 plus applicants for most teaching jobs. The big city schools may have openings but not majority of school districts in Ohio who are struggling to pass levies, etc. I would'nt call it a shortage but a surplus of bad jobs in areas that are not affordable to live.
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What districts are having a surplus of applicants other than the super desirable districts? This isn't just a local issue, especially when the state senate passed a bill back in December essentially allowing unlicensed professionals to become teachers to address such a shortage.

Maybe where you live there isn't a shortage, but the state as a whole, and surrounding states are really struggling to attract and retain good teachers.
 
cincifbfan said:
What districts are having a surplus of applicants other than the super desirable districts? This isn't just a local issue, especially when the state senate passed a bill back in December essentially allowing unlicensed professionals to become teachers to address such a shortage.

Maybe where you live there isn't a shortage, but the state as a whole, and surrounding states are really struggling to attract and retain good teachers.
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They passed that in a attempt to water down the quality of teachers in state , to push private schools, vouchers, etc and to weaken Ohio teachers union overall. Republicans in this state are playing the long game in trying to make us like the south, if you lower the standards of the overall teacher, you don't have to pay them as much. There is no real shortage, majority of school districts (suburban and rural) in Ohio are desirable to work in and do not struggle to fill teacher openings. There is national teacher shortage because of right to work states, the cost of living is much higher than teacher salary, etc, etc.
 
lightspeed84 said:
They passed that in a attempt to water down the quality of teachers in state , to push private schools, vouchers, etc and to weaken Ohio teachers union overall. Republicans in this state are playing the long game in trying to make us like the south, if you lower the standards of the overall teacher, you don't have to pay them as much.
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Agree here 100%
lightspeed84 said:
There is national teacher shortage because of right to work states, the cost of living is much higher than teacher salary, etc, etc.
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Ohio is a right to work state, and Ohio's cost of living is rising faster than salaries.... especially in the 3 major metro areas. Housing, in particular is rising at unprecedented rates since Covid. Cincinnati had the largest average rent increase of any city in 2023. Cincinnati, and Columbus are projected to be the #2 & #3 hottest housing markets in the US for 2024 with Cleveland coming in at 8. So what makes Ohio's teachers immune from the reasons for the national shortage, when those reasons are very prevalent in Ohio?
 
Springfield has a pretty good pay scale,the politics of the district aren’t terrible and the socioeconomic population is what you expect from a rust belt town with a population of about 50,000. They will take anyone with a pulse and no conviction to sub. If you are half decent they will work with you on a degree or whatever it takes to get certified.
 
lightspeed84 said:
And yet you go up throughout the state there are teacher RIFs occurring and 10 plus applicants for most teaching jobs. The big city schools may have openings but not majority of school districts in Ohio who are struggling to pass levies, etc. I would'nt call it a shortage but a surplus of bad jobs in areas that are not affordable to live in unless you wanna put life at risk.
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Absolutely not true at all. We (a small rural district in a supportive community) posted 4 jobs in January for the next school year. 3 received 1 application and 1 hasn't received an application.

There is a teacher shortage, and it is due to compensation (and also how teachers are treated by students, parents, and admin).

So yes, raising the age to 25 would only exacerbate an already big problem.
 
BT17 said:
Absolutely not true at all. We (a small rural district in a supportive community) posted 4 jobs in January for the next school year. 3 received 1 application and 1 hasn't received an application.

There is a teacher shortage, and it is due to compensation (and also how teachers are treated by students, parents, and admin).

So yes, raising the age to 25 would only exacerbate an already big problem.
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What subject areas out of curiosity and what part of the state we talking? If I had to guess, subject areas are math, special ed, spanish
 
BT17 said:
There is a teacher shortage, and it is due to compensation (and also how teachers are treated by students, parents, and admin).
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This isn't exclusive to teaching either. Tons of companies both blue and white collar that were considered great places to work with good pay 10 years ago can't get people in the building fast enough. And when they do get young people in, there's a good chance they're not going to last more than 3 years. There's a shortage of workers across the board, and it's coming from decreases in population growth. The boomers and Gen X's are retiring and there's not enough workers coming up to replace them.
 
In the Dayton area I know Hunter Folkersma at Miami East is around 27. Sean Ford at Greenville is about the same age as well.
 
BirdDog10 said:
This isn't exclusive to teaching either. Tons of companies both blue and white collar that were considered great places to work with good pay 10 years ago can't get people in the building fast enough. And when they do get young people in, there's a good chance they're not going to last more than 3 years. There's a shortage of workers across the board, and it's coming from decreases in population growth. The boomers and Gen X's are retiring and there's not enough workers coming up to replace them.
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This. This is the correct answer to the question of where are the workers. TFR has been slowing down for decades now in not just Ohio but across the country and we're now beginning to see the results in real time.

This is why districts moved to allowing high school graduates to sub.

It's a really interesting time for labor across all industries.
 
cincifbfan said:
Agree here 100%

Ohio is a right to work state, and Ohio's cost of living is rising faster than salaries.... especially in the 3 major metro areas. Housing, in particular is rising at unprecedented rates since Covid. Cincinnati had the largest average rent increase of any city in 2023. Cincinnati, and Columbus are projected to be the #2 & #3 hottest housing markets in the US for 2024 with Cleveland coming in at 8. So what makes Ohio's teachers immune from the reasons for the national shortage, when those reasons are very prevalent in Ohio?
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"Tinkering" with the retirement system also has made Ohio not as attractive as it once was. I remember my senior year at Toledo (2002-03) discussing where to look for jobs, Ohio or Michigan (both horrible choices in terms of demand at the time) but still we were discussing the pro's and con's of each state and the biggest pro 20 years ago for Ohio was it's incredibly lucrative retirement system.
 
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