Wuhan Coronavirus epidemic spreads from China to US

lotr10 said:
Please keep up your effort it's proving nothing other then you don't possess even Middle School reading comprehension:

* In your 1st post I'm clearly stating that I believe the virus was bio engineered in a lab. So far the science supports that belief. And I correctly point out that the Chinese had two possible reasons for altering covid in a lab: "as a learning tool for studying these kinds of virus or was it part of a bio weapons effort"? Seems reasonable to me or are you saying there is no way China is engaged in bio-weapons research?

* In your 2nd post I simply point out a fundamental truth: many so called conspiracy theories turn out to be true. Again are you so sure the Chinese were not doing this work in part to develop bio weapons?

I look forward to your next batch of my old posts that don't prove what you think they do.
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There will be no batch. I have already proven my point. You have stated many times that this was unquestionably lab originated. You said "Covid was a bioengineered virus". You have also suggested and still do suggest that it was done on purpose. In fact, you even have offered possible explanations including a bio-weapon and a goal of killing all Chinese old folks and crashing their economy on purpose.
 
Gamma Gobbler said:
I think you are correct but considering...why is there a link between the US and China? What could China do that we could not? I understand the naming process of the virus but considering, would it not have been better to name the virus in accordance with the date of discovery in lieu of global infection? Why COVID-19 and not COVID-01, for example?
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Coronaviruses are all different. I would assume what they study in China may be different than what they study in the US. Unlike lotr10, I do not claim to be an expert on subjects where I am a lay person.
 
ProV1 said:
Coronaviruses are all different. I would assume what they study in China may be different than what they study in the US. Unlike lotr10, I do not claim to be an expert on subjects where I am a lay person.
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Conronaviruses are all different? Yes and no but share similarities. As a perspective, it is kind of like being shot with a 9mm versus a .380. Both are similar to the other with differences in length and their kinetic energy, but both can cause an equivalent experience.
My interactions with scientists, they are a global research community leaning more liberal than conservative with free exchanges of information. They look for the betterment of mankind without a politics but when politics are interjected, you end up with a Manhattan Project.
 
Gamma Gobbler said:
Not looking at this in a political spectrum. When people say follow the science, that is what my education and experience has always led me to do. Science is hard enough without the muddy waters of politics.
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I find that more often than not, when someone tells me to "follow the science", they themselves have probably not taken a chemistry/biology/physics course since HS and don't know anything beyond what they can Google. It's just not worth the time to argue with them. All you have to do is look on Yappi threads with a scientific topic and the honorary PhDs/MDs start coming out of the woodwork.
 
Fact check sites and the MSM labeled right wing media that offered a contrarian take on covid as spreading disinformation this is the media that Black&Gold and ProV among others uses to trash alternate media. Yet now when we look back on the covid years the contrarian position was most often the right take according to the science:

The Contrarians Were Right About Covid Restrictions

Public-health officials who used rickety 'science' to shut down businesses, churches, schools, and speech have done irreparable damage.
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The thing is, though, most of the time our writers weren’t wrong. It is now indisputable that shutdowns inflicted deep harm on children and destabilized the economy. It is also highly unlikely that, after it was clear Covid variants would continue to spread, keeping businesses closed for months saved lives.

And “social distancing” rules were definitely bunk. Fauci admitted as much in a January interview with the House Select Subcommittee on the Coronavirus Pandemic. “It sort of just appeared, that six feet is going to be the distance,” he explained.

“It sort of just appeared” doesn’t sound like the vigorous inquiry we were promised by the self-ordained pontiff of “science.” Yet anyone who dared to tread within, say, five feet of another person was accused of being in a “death cult” and often censored on social media.

Fauci also admitted to lying about the threshold for herd immunity because “polls said only about half of all Americans would take a vaccine.” Worse, when three scientists — Martin Kulldorff of Harvard, Sunetra Gupta of Oxford, and Jay Bhattacharya of Stanford — released the “Great Barrington Declaration,” questioning the efficacy of lockdowns and warning, among other things, about the damaging “physical and mental health impacts” of closing schools, Fauci colluded with others to suppress the document, plotting a “quick and devastating published takedown.”

Sure, there are limits to skepticism. Reflexive disbelief of everything is no better than the opposite. It often manifests in conspiratorial thinking. But it is clear now that no one undermined trust in our public-health institutions like those who used rickety “science” to shut down businesses, churches, schools, and speech.
 
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The Fauci Conspiracy

We told you so. There’s probably a more polite way to say that, but who cares? We are long past the time for politeness regarding the derelictions of our leadership
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We told you so. There’s probably a more polite way to say that, but who cares? We are long past the time for politeness regarding the derelictions of our leadership class when it came to Covid-19. The American public has every reason to be angry. And the small, maligned group of scientists, journalists, and political figures who challenged the wisdom of America’s designated Covid experts deserves an apology.

In the absence of hard data, a little overreach on the part of experts might have been forgivable, at least at first. As the pandemic ground on, however, scientists started learning more about the disease, including insights that could help slow transmission and that undermined the case for rigid lockdowns. But the Covid gatekeepers mostly ignored any data that challenged their initial recommendations. They never admitted a mistake and rarely changed course on policy. And when it came to the mystery of Covid’s origin, the scientific community instantly closed ranks. The idea that a bat-related coronavirus might have emerged from a Wuhan China lab devoted to studying bat-related coronaviruses was deemed a far-out right-wing fantasy.

In other words, our public health officials, abetted by a politicized media, manufactured an airtight consensus on both Covid science and policy. This consensus was largely immune to scientific evidence or concerns about the real-world impacts of draconian policies.
 
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Four years ago today Herman Cain attended a Trump Rally (Superspreader) denouncing Covid testing.

His last act for trump RIP Herman!
 
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Seeking the truth about covid should be a bi-partisan affair. Meet the democrat who has been battling Fauci on the front line of science for the last 20 years:

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Lab wars: Inside one Democrat's 20-year crusade to save the world from Anthony Fauci — Part 1: 2001-2014 | Blaze Media

Many people have seen Anthony Fauci as a threat since 2020. Dr. Richard Ebright has been aware since 2001.
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What most people did not know, though, was that for years, Fauci had been dogged by a very different sort of doctor — a researcher from Rutgers University who shunned the camera and preferred to keep his opinions in print. A man who made it clear with his appearance and his mannerisms that he never wanted to be an activist. A registered Democrat who supported Biden to the point of putting a Biden sign in his front yard, Ebright had always been convinced of one simple thing that he viewed to be above the petty fray of partisan politics: the government should not be spending our tax dollars to fund dangerous research on making viruses more deadly.

For years, Ebright and Fauci carried out a silent war, waged in print, visible mostly only to members of the small community of research scientists who conduct serious chemical and biological research. Over and over again the same refrain played out: Ebright warned the public that this research was making the public less safe, and Fauci insisted it was making the public more safe.

As we know now, Ebright was almost certainly right. However, it has taken four years — thanks to the concerted efforts of Fauci and his team — for the public to slowly come around to that realization.
 
Guillotine said:
Everything you were told about covid was a goddam lie. President Trump told you the truth. If people like you would have listened, we would have been back to normal by the 4th of July.

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Which one were you Joe?
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I know around 20 people who died and most of them died because they listen to losers like you and didn’t get the shot … I find it appalling that losers like you just come on here post absolute crap that you post … totally disrespectful to those who past on … but losers like you don’t care … they only things you care about was you were a little inconvenienced … that is why you love you some King Donny … because he is a narcissist like you … and biggest lie of all was it was just magically going to go away by April … remind me who said that?
 
joesports said:
I know around 20 people who died and most of them died because they listen to losers like you and didn’t get the shot … I find it appalling that losers like you just come on here post absolute crap that you post … totally disrespectful to those who past on … but losers like you don’t care … they only things you care about was you were a little inconvenienced … that is why you love you some King Donny … because he is a narcissist like you … and biggest lie of all was it was just magically going to go away by April … remind me who said that?
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Masks will not be mandatory for the event, which will be attended by President Trump. PEOPLE ARE FED UP!https://t.co/Oykdz4xThD

— Herman Cain (@THEHermanCain) July 1, 2020
 
joesports said:
I know around 20 people who died and most of them died because they listen to losers like you and didn’t get the shot … I find it appalling that losers like you just come on here post absolute crap that you post … totally disrespectful to those who past on … but losers like you don’t care … they only things you care about was you were a little inconvenienced … that is why you love you some King Donny … because he is a narcissist like you … and biggest lie of all was it was just magically going to go away by April … remind me who said that?
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ProV1 said:
Strawman? You suggested royalties were not on the “up & up”. That is epically stupid.

Regardless, the dumb MAGA b*tch said he made 700 million when his royalties were $125 a year for something unrelated to Covid from 25 years ago.

You keep messing yourself, publicly. Have some pride.
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Speaking of messing up, she said NIH received 700 mill not Fauci personally.
 
joesports said:
I know around 20 people who died and most of them died because they listen to losers like you and didn’t get the shot … I find it appalling that losers like you just come on here post absolute crap that you post … totally disrespectful to those who past on … but losers like you don’t care … they only things you care about was you were a little inconvenienced … that is why you love you some King Donny … because he is a narcissist like you … and biggest lie of all was it was just magically going to go away by April … remind me who said that?
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It was gone by April. The vast majority of the population was not at serious risk.

Still pushing the shot even though it doesn't stop infection or transmission. Pushing a shot that wasn't properly vetted but rather turned the public into a giant lab experiment with potentially serious side effects.

What's appalling is that you use their deaths to score political points.
 
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