Weight room
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I know nothing about Kirtland other than NOBODY lifts more than them, but I don’t think full time supervision in a weight room is essential.
cincifbfan
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Why not? If anything happened that's an easy neglect case and school out some big cash depending on severity.
Again - when the kids are doing heavy lifts or organized lifts - supervision is there. Nobody lifts alone. The baseball and basketball players do more recovery, maintaining and flexibility drills. You need to read the article on page 2 about the strength coach at Kirtland. He teaches the elementary kids the proper way to take care of your body and lift. Once the kids get to junior high they have the fundamentals down pretty good and start lifting more - by the time they are in high school they almost don't need coaching.
Many schools give key-card access to their weight rooms to students and even community members. This is not a big deal.
GreenGoblin
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Other than winning, I wonder what schools like Kirkland, Canton McKinley, St. Eds, Mentor, St. I, Massillon, Badin, St. X, Moeller, Hoban, and Elder have in common?Kirtland strength coach, Ray Sullivan, deserves as much or more credit for their strength program as LaVerde. And it’s not just their football program, he runs the strength program for all of their sports. Here’s an old but good article about him
Kirtland football: Strength coach Ray Sullivan infuses muscle, energy to Hornets’ program
Let’s freaking go! The words ricocheted off the walls of the home locker room at Pat Catan Stadium in Strongsville like a rubber ball as the Kirtland football team prepared to take the field …www.news-herald.com
Some schools value winning more than others and are willing to invest in it along with health and safety.
Some of these schools even have full time assistant S&C Coaches on staff.
It's Kirtland - Kirkland is stuff you buy at Costco. People who know the Kirtland story know that they were unable to get bye Ursuline. So they had two choices - cry and beg for rule changes (like many do) or get better. I think you already know what they did. They went to work and developed a youth and weight program unrivaled by anybody. They develop players. No open enrollment and very few transfers under Tiger. The Hornets have developed the blueprint to build a public school program that is able to compete against the MAC year in and year out. The issue is very few (if any) schools want to put in the incredible effort it takes to implement and maintain all the parts it takes to BUILD a program. Now that it's built and the kids have seen and experienced the results - the buy in is easy. None of the classes want to be the one that fails. It's like the program has reached the point where it's almost on autopilot.
Damn you lifted on Saturday morning after a Friday night , brutal , dudes could barely walk to the film session lol
CedarBuck92
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The intensity of the lifting relied heavily on how we played Friday night. If we lost, we should plan on crawling to our cars and not moving the rest of the weekend. If we won, it was more light lifting and stretching.
See this makes no sense...I know there was so much football being played like this 20-30 years ago, but why? It's not a good approach. It's shallow thinking and lacks purpose. A few reasons:
A. It trains the athletes to fear/resent the very thing they need to train and develop athletically (the weight room). When you use exercise as punishment, it trains a person's mind to fear and avoid that activity. Why would you want to train your athletes to resent the weight room?
B. There are so many reasons you might lose a game. Sure, strength and toughness might be one of them, but to equate "loss = not strong enough" as a universal truth is just dumb.
C. It's an emotional reaction from the coaches that puts the blame on players and not on coaches. "If we just work them harder, this won't happen again!" No. If anything, grinding your athletes to a pulp will make them tired and slow.
D. Recovery from a football game should be purposeful and thoughtful- based on getting treatment and rest. To crush an athlete's body in the weight room after a physical football game is stupid and borderline malpractice.
CedarBuck92
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Please understand I am exaggerating a bit in the intensity. However, the point remains true. We generally had tougher workouts on Saturday's after losing on Friday night. The only exception I can think of was an away game where we were the better team by far and could not get a single call to go our way. Even the home fans agreed (online no less) that we were robbed.
if the Basketballl/ baseball coaches are all right with them lifting with the football.. good for them
I'm sorry.. what?
so the baskeTBALL players at Steinerland who play football don't lift with the football team at all during the winter?
BirdDog10
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That's perfectly fine. What people on here are suggesting is that kids lift with their football team year round, regardless of what else they're in or what other lifting/conditioning they're doing for those sports. That's dumb.