Week 8: LaSalle

At this point in the season, they need to decide who is at QB. Vollmer has the best arm talent on the team and can obviously make plays with his athleticism. Let the kid take the reigns and allow him a full game to get settled in and see what happens. The parents all need to stop complaining and realize their kid might not be as good as they think. Specht and his staff know what they're doing, he hasn't been coach of the year multiple times for no reason. Very few kids are good enough to have elite play at the high school level, let alone the D1 level. These parents need to come down to reality and touch some grass. Also, get that kid to stop wearing number 1, a lot of the alums are upset about that. Excited for the game, but hopefully some things get fixed before the playoffs.
 
BOMBERFAN1 said:
At this point in the season, they need to decide who is at QB. Vollmer has the best arm talent on the team and can obviously make plays with his athleticism. Let the kid take the reigns and allow him a full game to get settled in and see what happens. The parents all need to stop complaining and realize their kid might not be as good as they think. Specht and his staff know what they're doing, he hasn't been coach of the year multiple times for no reason. Very few kids are good enough to have elite play at the high school level, let alone the D1 level. These parents need to come down to reality and touch some grass. Also, get that kid to stop wearing number 1, a lot of the alums are upset about that. Excited for the game, but hopefully some things get fixed before the playoffs.
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3’s arm strength isn’t what holds him back. Rather it’s accuracy. 1-9 this year and struggled with completions when he was called to JV last year. The kid has a phenomenal future ahead of him as a runner or receiver. The unspoken question is why can’t he and 7 co-exist on the field together. They both would benefit from not being the sole focus. 3 catching a screen or quick slant would be fun to watch. I’d love to see what happens if he could get the ball in space.
 
Thus far this season is about 3 things: sophomores, offensive identity and 2 way players which have caused growing pains, uncertainty, fatigue and a 3-4 start. StX has only finished a season with a losing record 7 times in the past 50 years (1975, 1983, 1996, 2008, 2013, 2018 and 2022) The last time they experienced back to back losing seasons was 1960 (2-5-2) and 1961 (4-5).
The Bombers get back on the winning track this Friday.

LET"S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
BOMBERFAN1 said:
Should be a fun matchup to watch this Friday, hopefully the bombers can get back on track. As in terms of the offense, I think the OC has #7 doing too much. #7 has good arm talent and is a great kid, leader, and can play. #3 is also a ballplayer. The offense whether its the wing T or spread, the offense should be simplified and the OC should recognize these kids are in HS. Throwing too much on their plate is a recipe disaster, especially if he is expecting them to make pro/college reads. Hopefully the King of the Road Trophy stays at Ballaban field, excited for this rival matchup and hope the bombers close out GCL play on a high note.
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Only "excited" for this week-- a downgrade from "ecstatic" last week-- is that a reflection of you not finding the matchup this week as inspiring as last week's, or is it perhaps reflecting a realization that the upside potential for this team is not what you once had hoped?
 
Smarty2022 said:
If President Scholarships,Vouchers, Ed choice are close to 100% next yr how will these Schools stay Open going forward? No way they will receive enough money with 1-2% of enrollment actually paying tuition. Omar the Dbag PLEASE stay in yo momma basement and on the Elder Forum!!
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You do understand that just because someone has an Ed Choice "voucher", that does not mean that they do not have to pay another nickel of tuition--if the Ed Choice is less than the tuition price (and it is), then the student is still on the hook for the remaining balance-- if anything, this Ed Choice thing only makes places like LaSalle, Purcell, Bacon, Elder, Moeller, and X MORE viable (because essentially, the state of Ohio is now subsidizing at least some of the cost of attendance-- where once it was not)-- not less.
 
TR1982 said:
Vollmer can launch it 50-60 yards flat footed. He's got a cannon. From watching him last year he needs to work on his intermediate game, and I would assume going through his reads and check downs. As a freshman he always went for the homerun ball, but usually hit because his receivers were cooking the dbs. On varsity you have to work those short hitters and check down routes. Like you said he needs consistent reps. I only think qb7 is starting because he understands playbook a little more, but that's it.
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I never watched #3 on frosh or JV squads-- so can't speak to that-- but I've seen NO evidence of the above, in the very small number of throws that #3 has made in varsity games-- neither strong, tight spirals, nor much accuracy-- you must have seen something different in those lower level games.
 
LBL1996 said:
This whole situation reminds me of the Robbie Schoenhoft(sp?) QB era at X. Kid looked the part of a big time QB talent and signed with OSU only to be moved to TE. Having a cannon for an arm is impressive but doesn't really help if you lack timing, accuracy and touch. Obviously there is something at practice that is holding the coaches back from turning over the passing game to him. I also wonder if the discussion of moving him to RB or the "ATH" position has been brought up as he certainly is dynamic with the ball in his hands. Hopefully this all gets figured out for a playoff run !
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This seems like an appropriate point to quote former Colts' head coach Jim Mora here:

"Playoffs?! Playoffs?!-- don't talk about playoffs! Are you kiddin' me?! I just hope we can win a game!"


(If it weren't for the fact that now virtually every Ohio Division I team makes the state playoffs.)
 
robertbob9876 said:
Lets play this forward...

very clear right now that massive unrest in locker room, coaching staff and alums over the QB battle
the parents are all losing it in the tailgate and stands
everyone from X seems to be on double secret probation and on eggshells of calling it as it is
any claim there was a legit QB competition this summer in terms of reps seems to be misguided
QB3 seems to not have gotten the reps in the off-season that QB7 did in what seems to be an offense that is more complicated than quantum physics (seperate topic)
QB3 can absolutely throw the ball and has a cannon

this would all be fine and dandy if QB7 was a senior as you can ride it out, but we get this for another entire year

at what point does the HC make the call on who the man is and we ride with it?
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Again, I can't speak to the rest of the above assertions, and I've not seen #3 throw the ball at the frosh or JV level-- but I've not seen the evidence of the bolded part above, in #3's (few) throws at the varsity level (so far)...
 
ReLoad said:
When the Scholars have the ball....

Purdue bound WR #2 Coy Beasley missed the first 5 weeks of the season due to injury but returned to the lineup for the past 2 games.
Week 6 vs EE: 4 carries for 23 yards and 3 catches for 49 yards
Week 7 vs Cathedral: No carries and 7 catches for 153 yards and 2 TDs (61 and 48 yarders)
The Scholars QB completes 58% of his passes but only 7 yards per pass average (with Beasley back will improve)
Offensively they average 300 yards per game (200 in the air and 100 on the ground)

When the Bombers have the ball.....

Expect alternating QBs which everybody loves
QB1 Dan Vollmer leads the team in rushing with 444 yards in 7 games.
He has only thrown the ball 9 times, connecting just once for 15 yards.
Expecting him to throw more this Friday.
Jake Britt (260 yards) and Steven Napier (198 yards) lineup in both the wildcat and as tailback
QB2 Chase Herbstreit leads the team in passing with 1,066 yards completing 54% of his passes
Offensively X also averages 300 yards per game but is more balanced with 160 in the air and 140 on the ground

StX Bombers 35 LaSalle Scholars 17
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That's a nice way of putting it...

One could also say that X is more balanced with its scoring too-- with 5 of 7 games so far resulting in X scoring between 3 and 14 points-- with consistent output being around ~10 points per game... None of this up-and-down, rollercoaster output for St. X's offense.
 
BOMBERFAN1 said:
At this point in the season, they need to decide who is at QB. (1) Vollmer has the best arm talent on the team and can obviously make plays with his athleticism. Let the kid take the reigns and allow him a full game to get settled in and see what happens. The parents all need to stop complaining and realize their kid might not be as good as they think. Specht and his staff know what they're doing, he hasn't been coach of the year multiple times for no reason. Very few kids are good enough to have elite play at the high school level, let alone the D1 level. These parents need to come down to reality and touch some grass. Also, (2) get that kid to stop wearing number 1, a lot of the alums are upset about that. Excited for the game, but hopefully some things get fixed before the playoffs.
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1) Do we (really) know that? I've not seen it (yet).
2) Seems like a pretty silly thing to be focused on/upset about-- with ALLLLLLL of the other things to get annoyed about, with this team.
 
CincyFtball said:
3’s arm strength isn’t what holds him back. Rather it’s accuracy. 1-9 this year and struggled with completions when he was called to JV last year. The kid has a phenomenal future ahead of him as a runner or receiver. The unspoken question is why can’t he and 7 co-exist on the field together. They both would benefit from not being the sole focus. 3 catching a screen or quick slant would be fun to watch. I’d love to see what happens if he could get the ball in space.
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This would seem to describe #3's passing results so far this (varsity) season-- accuracy has been an issue.

The rest of this post makes a lot of sense (to me, anyway), as well-- you'd think X'd find a way to get both on the field at the same time (and UTILIZE both), if the coaches really feel strongly that both are among their top 2-3 skill players.
 
ReLoad said:
Thus far this season is about 3 things: sophomores, offensive identity and 2 way players which have caused growing pains, uncertainty, fatigue and a 3-4 start. StX has only finished a season with a losing record 7 times in the past 50 years (1975, 1983, 1996, 2008, 2013, 2018 and 2022) The last time they experienced back to back losing seasons was 1960 (2-5-2) and 1961 (4-5).
The Bombers get back on the winning track this Friday.

LET"S GO!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Kind of shocking to see that its been only 7 times in 50 years (once every ~7 years)-- and yet 4 of those 7 (and at risk of being 5 of 8) have happened in the last 15 years (under Specht)-- during a period when X has also won state championships...

Now, I'll be the first to acknowledge that the schedule X faced in the 1960's and 70's and 80's and 90's does NOT compare with the schedule that X typically faces in the 2000's... but still, this is a school that aspires to compete for a football state championship every year... To end with a losing record a ~third of the time suggests that some things are not going according to plan...

P.S.-- But for Tom Bolden TOTALLY mismanaging the last quarter of the game, in the first round playoff matchup against Colerain in 2016, this record would include one more losing record-- and one less state title-- that season could (probably SHOULD) have ended with a 5-6 record, after a first round playoff loss to Colerain... It's surprising to think that, but for that improbable comeback victory, X would have ended with losing records in 5 of the last 15 years.
 
4GX said:
1) Do we (really) know that? I've not seen it (yet).
2) Seems like a pretty silly thing to be focused on/upset about-- with ALLLLLLL of the other things to get annoyed about, with this team.
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His arm talent from his freshman year was very good, with him being able to throw it 50-60 yards downfield. Actually watch the tape and know football and you would be able to know this, we just haven't been able to see it this year. Also, the fact that someone is wearing number 1 is a microcosm for how the season is going. The fact that number one hasn't been worn for a very long time and is now being worn on this team is concerning.
 
There probably wasn't a clear off season competition because #3 is a big time Lacrosse player (he is a projected high level D1 Lacrosse recruit). We can all see he is the better athlete amongst the QBs. #7 definitely has a better grasp for the offense and at the same time one of his biggest downfalls is he struggles getting through his reads with his WRs. It is not going to be an easy situation for players, coaches, fans, and parents.
 
4GX said:
I never watched #3 on frosh or JV squads-- so can't speak to that-- but I've seen NO evidence of the above, in the very small number of throws that #3 has made in varsity games-- neither strong, tight spirals, nor much accuracy-- you must have seen something different in those lower levels
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You have to call a play for him to pass in order to see this. They've called 171 pass plays for qb7 and 9 for qb3. Yeah I would imagine you do have a small sample size if they dont call those plays. Go check an old espx game from his freshman year and you can find answers to your questions.

His issue is grasp of playbook and working on his reads. Same thing qb7 struggled with his sophomore year and some this year.
 
robertbob9876 said:
Lets play this forward...

very clear right now that massive unrest in locker room, coaching staff and alums over the QB battle
the parents are all losing it in the tailgate and stands
everyone from X seems to be on double secret probation and on eggshells of calling it as it is
any claim there was a legit QB competition this summer in terms of reps seems to be misguided
QB3 seems to not have gotten the reps in the off-season that QB7 did in what seems to be an offense that is more complicated than quantum physics (seperate topic)
QB3 can absolutely throw the ball and has a cannon

this would all be fine and dandy if QB7 was a senior as you can ride it out, but we get this for another entire year

at what point does the HC make the call on who the man is and we ride with it?
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As a fan of the program for the past 30 years and someone who has had multiple kids play football the comment above is not unique. Parents of every class have the expectation that their senior class is going to win state. Parents who are unhappy with their son's playing time or position often get in the ear of their friends who spread the discontent. There was similar discontent when St X won state in 2016. There was controversy over who the starting QB should be and I am sure parents might have made similar comments during the season like robertbob9876 made.

At the end of the day coaches are going to play who they think gives them the best shot to win. If there is very little to separate 2 players I know that attitude will play a definite factor in deciding who plays.
 
FourthAndOne said:
There probably wasn't a clear off season competition because #3 is a big time Lacrosse player (he is a projected high level D1 Lacrosse recruit). We can all see he is the better athlete amongst the QBs. #7 definitely has a better grasp for the offense and at the same time one of his biggest downfalls is he struggles getting through his reads with his WRs. It is not going to be an easy situation for players, coaches, fans, and parents.
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This is true. Hope he realizes that his future for college is in Lacrosse and doesn't quit to focus on Football. I know that has been thrown around.
 
BOMBERFAN1 said:
His arm talent from his freshman year was very good, with him being able to throw it 50-60 yards downfield. Actually watch the tape and know football and you would be able to know this, we just haven't been able to see it this year. Also, the fact that someone is wearing number 1 is a microcosm for how the season is going. The fact that number one hasn't been worn for a very long time and is now being worn on this team is concerning.
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As I said, I've not watched #3 play on other levels-- but, there is no evidence of what you claim, in his passes on the varsity level this year-- I don't need tape to attest to that.

The jersey number "controversy" is a tempest in a teapot.
 
TR1982 said:
You have to call a play for him to pass in order to see this. They've called 171 pass plays for qb7 and 9 for qb3. Yeah I would imagine you do have a small sample size if they dont call those plays. Go check an old espx game from his freshman year and you can find answers to your questions.

His issue is grasp of playbook and working on his reads. Same thing qb7 struggled with his sophomore year and some this year.
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I will defer to your assessment-- I've not watched him throw on other levels (and I don't plan to go back and view frosh games from last year), and I acknowledge that he's only gotten to throw the ball 9 times on varsity-- so, of course, the current sample may not be indicative of his throwing ability...

I assume we'll get more indication of whether he can be an effective passer, before the end of this season... With both candidates (presumably) coming back for next year, one would think the staff would want to sort out (before the end of this season) who they plan to use as the primary QB next year-- many assumed that this controversy was settled near the end of last season-- only for it to rear its ugly head again this year.
 
Doublehelix said:
What's the story of wearing the #1 at St X?
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That I'm not sure about, but I would assume it's a cliche no one is bigger than the team. I have heard that they have tended to reserve that number for the unsung heroes of the team which are thr team managers that do all the grunt work but get none of the glory. If you look back at history and they've had some studs come through, no one has worn number 1
 
Doublehelix said:
What's the story of wearing the #1 at St X?
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From the X radio guys few weeks ago. Nobody has Ever worn #1 Playing St. X. The guy who is wearing #1 must do so because of what position he playing on Offense. The way they made it sound was that only number would be Legal. I’m assuming those guys know what they are talking about, they been calling the Games for yrs.
 
TR1982 said:
That I'm not sure about, but I would assume it's a cliche no one is bigger than the team. I have heard that they have tended to reserve that number for the unsung heroes of the team which are thr team managers that do all the grunt work but get none of the glory. If you look back at history and they've had some studs come through, no one has worn number 1
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I figured as much but am always interested in school traditions like this.
 
Smarty2022 said:
From the X radio guys few weeks ago. Nobody has Ever worn #1 Playing St. X. The guy who is wearing #1 must do so because of what position he playing on Offense. The way they made it sound was that only number would be Legal. I’m assuming those guys know what they are talking about, they been calling the Games for yrs.
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There have been multiple people comment about it and it seems to be a really big deal with X alum. I guess it still means alot.
 
Doublehelix said:
There have been multiple people comment about it and it seems to be a really big deal with X alum. I guess it still means alot.
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Seems to upset some folks. Also seems Specht needs to do what he needs to do to try and Win more this yr. I believe it only had to happen when this Player started Playing a particular position on Offense. The kid Plays Both ways I’m assuming and this is the Legal (for lack of better word) for him to do so at Both Positions? Don’t Play so many kids Both ways and wouldn’t have to use #1 Jersey?
 
Cincyfan33 said:
He is not going to be a high level D1 football player most likely. Lacrosse he has a great shot.
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Sam Hubbard was a great lacrosse player headed to Notre Dame until Urban Meyer got a glimpse of him on the gridiron and the rest is history. Don't sell DV short. He is very talented and very young. GBM 💪 🏈
 
Cincyfan33 said:
He is not going to be a high level D1 football player most likely. Lacrosse he has a great shot.
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Says who? The kid is one of the best athletes in the city. I am pretty sure he can do whatever he sets his mind to and he has D1 college football talent......at what position is still to be determined but he has uber talent.
 
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