Week 7...

George Bluth said:
I will not be specific because it's not the fault of the players. It's the coaches that allow it to happen.
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Milford has a heck of a team and a lot of very talented girls who’ve had great careers. You should be happy and focus on that success. Instead you want to come here and throw vague criticism towards oak hills and my daughter. Sheesh. Not a good look.
 
Emichaelkamp said:
Milford has a heck of a team and a lot of very talented girls who’ve had great careers. You should be happy and focus on that success. Instead you want to come here and throw vague criticism towards oak hills and my daughter. Sheesh. Not a good look.
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Did you miss the part where I said it's not the players fault. It's coaching. This isn't just a problem with Oak Hills. This isn't the first time it's been brought up on here? Am I wrong?
 
George Bluth said:
Did you miss the part where I said it's not the players fault. It's coaching. This isn't just a problem with Oak Hills. This isn't the first time it's been brought up on here? Am I wrong?
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Since you feel the need to post your opinions. I’ll post some facts. Obviously this is about my daughters stats bc she’s the only one on oak hills that has more goals than milford players. I shouldn’t need to come on her and defend anything our coach does. But I will.

of her 23 goals. Here’s a breakdown.

She has 8 goals Vs top 10 teams.
Plus 2 more vs Miamisburg.
she scored 4 vs an ooc ggcl team. She came out of the game and went back in after they made It 6-2 and scored 2 more goals. Didn’t play rest of the game. This is vs a ggcl team.

vs Hamilton she had 5 goals. In 40 minutes. Two of which were in the first 2 min. Should she just sit out games vs weaker opponents!?

vs Princeton she had 2 goals in the first half. Scored 2 in the second half. 1 on a corner kick that went in directly. And one on a free kick that went in directly. Didn’t play the last 30 min. Again. How much should she have to sit bc she’s playing against a weaker opponent.

you act like our coach is letting her play 90 minutes and score 10 goals a game. Which she probably could have a few times this year.

stop criticizing other girls. Coaches. And teams and worry about your own program. I never thought I would have to come here to defend my daughter - yet here we are. Grow up.
 
Emichaelkamp said:
Since you feel the need to post your opinions. I’ll post some facts. Obviously this is about my daughters stats bc she’s the only one on oak hills that has more goals than milford players. I shouldn’t need to come on her and defend anything our coach does. But I will.

of her 23 goals. Here’s a breakdown.

She has 8 goals Vs top 10 teams.
Plus 2 more vs Miamisburg.
she scored 4 vs an ooc ggcl team. She came out of the game and went back in after they made It 6-2 and scored 2 more goals. Didn’t play rest of the game. This is vs a ggcl team.

vs Hamilton she had 5 goals. In 40 minutes. Two of which were in the first 2 min. Should she just sit out games vs weaker opponents!?

vs Princeton she had 2 goals in the first half. Scored 2 in the second half. 1 on a corner kick that went in directly. And one on a free kick that went in directly. Didn’t play the last 30 min. Again. How much should she have to sit bc she’s playing against a weaker opponent.

you act like our coach is letting her play 90 minutes and score 10 goals a game. Which she probably could have a few times this year.

stop criticizing other girls. Coaches. And teams and worry about your own program. I never thought I would have to come here to defend my daughter - yet here we are. Grow up.
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You're right dude. No padding going on. You don't have to defend your daughter.
Emichaelkamp said:
Since you feel the need to post your opinions. I’ll post some facts. Obviously this is about my daughters stats bc she’s the only one on oak hills that has more goals than milford players. I shouldn’t need to come on her and defend anything our coach does. But I will.

of her 23 goals. Here’s a breakdown.

She has 8 goals Vs top 10 teams.
Plus 2 more vs Miamisburg.
she scored 4 vs an ooc ggcl team. She came out of the game and went back in after they made It 6-2 and scored 2 more goals. Didn’t play rest of the game. This is vs a ggcl team.

vs Hamilton she had 5 goals. In 40 minutes. Two of which were in the first 2 min. Should she just sit out games vs weaker opponents!?

vs Princeton she had 2 goals in the first half. Scored 2 in the second half. 1 on a corner kick that went in directly. And one on a free kick that went in directly. Didn’t play the last 30 min. Again. How much should she have to sit bc she’s playing against a weaker opponent.

you act like our coach is letting her play 90 minutes and score 10 goals a game. Which she probably could have a few times this year.

stop criticizing other girls. Coaches. And teams and worry about your own program. I never thought I would have to come here to defend my daughter - yet here we are. Grow up.
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Lol. ok.
 
George Bluth said:
This is interesting..you say you don't like teams/coaches putting up obnoxious stats yet you constantly pump the tires for Oak Hills and a few other teams and players.
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It’s not Oak Hills fault they play in the GMC. Go ahead smack your conference opponents around all day you have to play them. ECC has little Miami, Walnut Hills, Winton Woods, usually Kings and Lebanon to beat up on. GMC has Middletown, Colerain, Sycamore, Hamilton and sometimes Fairfield and East. Should you hold back your players their development and your mojo for 4,5,6 games because your conference sucks? But what you schedule out of conference/league is 100% on the coach. Oak Hills choice of competition outside of the GMC is solid. And yes I think Pennekamp is very good she happens to play at Oak Hills. She is good, I’ll make no apologies for that. Would you argue that Oak Hills, Seton, Milford, MND, Centerville Waynesville, Summit and CCD are the best most consistent teams in the area the last 3 years now that Loveland has been off and Mason can’t score? With a few more right behind them. Would you argue Pennekamp, Manning, Erbach, and the Zimm twins are not some of the best players around. Believe me I’d rather pump the Hill, or shout a CHL players name out as the best but no luck here. So I fail to see the issue?
 
Empty CUP said:
It’s not Oak Hills fault they play in the GMC. Go ahead smack your conference opponents around all day you have to play them. ECC has little Miami, Walnut Hills, Winton Woods, usually Kings and Lebanon to beat up on. GMC has Middletown, Colerain, Sycamore, Hamilton and sometimes Fairfield and East. Should you hold back your players their development and your mojo for 4,5,6 games because your conference sucks? But what you schedule out of conference/league is 100% on the coach. Oak Hills choice of competition outside of the GMC is solid. And yes I think Pennekamp is very good she happens to play at Oak Hills. She is good, I’ll make no apologies for that. Would you argue that Oak Hills, Seton, Milford, MND, Centerville Waynesville, Summit and CCD are the best most consistent teams in the area the last 3 years now that Loveland has been off and Mason can’t score? With a few more right behind them. Would you argue Pennekamp, Manning, Erbach, and the Zimm twins are not some of the best players around. Believe me I’d rather pump the Hill, or shout a CHL players name out as the best but no luck here. So I fail to see the issue?
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Yes, not any team/players fault they play in GMC. But do they have more opportunities for stat padding then other leagues-right now, yes. So then, do not condemn coaches for padding their schedules with out of league play to give their players, playing in a more competitive league, more opportunities to generate stats. All stats are not equal----so Harder league play + less competitive out of league play may be the closest you can get to = easier league play + more competitive out of league play.

There are several players that I can think of that are just as good as the players you cite above, and are never mentioned. Just look at Seton's roster stats--KC total points 30, MC total points 30, AG total points 25, and that omits LO who is injured and is just as good--and just as good/better then some on your list. And that's another point, those players on that team cannibalize each others stats. But it won them state.

And as for the GK comment (removed?). Ridiculous only looking at shut outs-especially in GMC. How many of those in league GMC games only have 0-2 meaningful shots on goal? Consider teams that play two GKs, and they both have stats when combined equal stats of the best GKs. And the saves data is just as meaningful--the MM GK that had 23 saves against MND (even though MND is not where they have been in the past--LionsRoar is correct about that program). That is an accomplishment.
 
PitchMom said:
Yes, not any team/players fault they play in GMC. But do they have more opportunities for stat padding then other leagues-right now, yes. So then, do not condemn coaches for padding their schedules with out of league play to give their players, playing in a more competitive league, more opportunities to generate stats. All stats are not equal----so Harder league play + less competitive out of league play may be the closest you can get to = easier league play + more competitive out of league play.

There are several players that I can think of that are just as good as the players you cite above, and are never mentioned. Just look at Seton's roster stats--KC total points 30, MC total points 30, AG total points 25, and that omits LO who is injured and is just as good--and just as good/better then some on your list. And that's another point, those players on that team cannibalize each others stats. But it won them state.

And as for the GK comment (removed?). Ridiculous only looking at shut outs-especially in GMC. How many of those in league GMC games only have 0-2 meaningful shots on goal? Consider teams that play two GKs, and they both have stats when combined equal stats of the best GKs. And the saves data is just as meaningful--the MM GK that had 23 saves against MND (even though MND is not where they have been in the past--LionsRoar is correct about that program). That is an accomplishment.
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I deleted it because I thought people might take it as a serious comment...
As far as 2 GK's playing in a shutout, I have noticed teams giving .5 shutouts. Which is incorrect. It is 1 or None.
As far as saves go, it is really up to the statistician or coach on what they consider a save. Sort of a Grey area of what each person considers a save.

Let's be honest though, GMC, ECC, GGCL, CHL, MVC, GWOC, SWBL, SWOC all have some really bad teams in them. Each conference has some top teams but some very bad teams.
 
PitchMom said:
Yes, not any team/players fault they play in GMC. But do they have more opportunities for stat padding then other leagues-right now, yes. So then, do not condemn coaches for padding their schedules with out of league play to give their players, playing in a more competitive league, more opportunities to generate stats. All stats are not equal----so Harder league play + less competitive out of league play may be the closest you can get to = easier league play + more competitive out of league play.

There are several players that I can think of that are just as good as the players you cite above, and are never mentioned. Just look at Seton's roster stats--KC total points 30, MC total points 30, AG total points 25, and that omits LO who is injured and is just as good--and just as good/better then some on your list. And that's another point, those players on that team cannibalize each others stats. But it won them state.

And as for the GK comment (removed?). Ridiculous only looking at shut outs-especially in GMC. How many of those in league GMC games only have 0-2 meaningful shots on goal? Consider teams that play two GKs, and they both have stats when combined equal stats of the best GKs. And the saves data is just as meaningful--the MM GK that had 23 saves against MND (even though MND is not where they have been in the past--LionsRoar is correct about that program). That is an accomplishment.
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Why even worry about stats? Soccer has to be one of the toughest sports to measure a players ability/skillset/worth based on any type of statistic because scoring is limited and it really is the essential team sport.

Unfortunately, padding stats occurs in all levels of sports – that is 100% on the coaches’ shoulders. Athletes are doing what they are trained to do. It is up to the coaches to manage the flow of the game.

But at the end of the day, not that much fun watching one player score 4+ goals in a game against an inferior opponent when in reality the end of the bench should be playing significant minutes. In fact, you could argue that it may be detrimental on how they are judged/viewed because a player put a beat down on a couple of bad teams and that's all people focus on. Just so sad to see these coaches that feel the need to keep their first team in the game to run up a score on a bad team.
 
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Yes stop keeping stats, while your at it stop recording wins and losses. Non quantitative results are hard to measure because of just that. Consistent actions are what you should look at, how a player does over time. Team sport for sure, but great players make a difference. Does West win state without KD ( I mean they were straight terrible before and after)? Does the Hill win without Podojil? Does Waynesville (seriously has anyone heard of Waynesville before she got there, be honest I thought of them as Blanchester of the north) win without Erbach? Does Seton win without the offside trap (kidding...Kinda)? Same answer to all those. CCD, Summit, MND, Seton were all better teams, then the ones mentioned but individual players absolutly make huge impact especially in athletically talent limited public schools.

No doubt the names you mentioned are fantastic players. It's no slight on them, I mentioned them in my returning players to watch. So keep giving your opinion. If it's opposite of mine, good for you. That means you're probably wrong but still you're entitled to it. Side note I think Seton is still the team to beat regardless of the OH score, so there is that.
 
Empty CUP said:
Yes stop keeping stats, while your at it stop recording wins and losses. Non quantitative results are hard to measure because of just that. Consistent actions are what you should look at, how a player does over time. Team sport for sure, but great players make a difference. Does West win state without KD ( I mean they were straight terrible before and after)? Does the Hill win without Podojil? Does Waynesville (seriously has anyone heard of Waynesville before she got there, be honest I thought of them as Blanchester of the north) win without Erbach? Does Seton win without the offside trap (kidding...Kinda)? Same answer to all those. CCD, Summit, MND, Seton were all better teams, then the ones mentioned but individual players absolutly make huge impact especially in athletically talent limited public schools.

No doubt the names you mentioned are fantastic players. It's no slight on them, I mentioned them in my returning players to watch. So keep giving your opinion. If it's opposite of mine, good for you. That means you're probably wrong but still you're entitled to it. Side note I think Seton is still the team to beat regardless of the OH score, so there is that.
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MP went on to GK as freshman at Auburn, SJ started 20 games in fall 2021 for Ohio State. I think your post sorta validates the counter point.
 
Justanotherparent said:
MP went on to GK as freshman at Auburn, SJ started 20 games in fall 2021 for Ohio State. I think your post sorta validates the counter point.
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So you think West Wins state without KD? You honestly think they even win Districts without her? Yes Jones was and is a great player as is Prohaska but you are kidding yourself and lying to everyone else if you think they make it anywhere near where they make it without her. Do they make it where they did without the other two? I believe they do assuming someone could or would play KD a ball, one player, a truly great player can and does make a difference even on a team with other good to great players. West was still full of other CUP and OE players and they were as I said terrible before and after her. Erbach is light years ahead of anyone right now in lifetime goals but she also has more lifetime assists than about all but 4 or 5 active players have lifetime goals in the entire SW Ohio. Think about that for a second. Podojil had more game winning goals than anyone I can begin to remember (I was fortunate to see about 80% of the games when she played) You think one player can’t make a difference?!?!
 
Empty CUP said:
So you think West Wins state without KD? You honestly think they even win Districts without her? Yes Jones was and is a great player as is Prohaska but you are kidding yourself and lying to everyone else if you think they make it anywhere near where they make it without her. Do they make it where they did without the other two? I believe they do assuming someone could or would play KD a ball, one player, a truly great player can and does make a difference even on a team with other good to great players. West was still full of other CUP and OE players and they were as I said terrible before and after her. Erbach is light years ahead of anyone right now in lifetime goals but she also has more lifetime assists than about all but 4 or 5 active players have lifetime goals in the entire SW Ohio. Think about that for a second. Podojil had more game winning goals than anyone I can begin to remember (I was fortunate to see about 80% of the games when she played) You think one player can’t make a difference?!?!
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So you think MND wins state without Rose? Oh wait, they didn't win state with Rose. MND with the best player to date to come out of Cincinnati never won state with Rose--Why? Not enough surrounding elite talent. Does West win state without KD, maybe, maybe not. But I'd bet they don't win state with KD without SJ et al. It's a team sport.
 
Although soccer is a "team sport" one player can pretty much carry a team to a state title if she's strong enough. Lets look at MND's best player to date. Peyton Kohls scored more goals than RL, won 2 Regional titles, and a state title. RL didn't win any of that and was not as good as PK in high school. Granted RL got better in her 20's but PK was a teenage monster who played with a wreck-less abandon. Rose is a quirky left footer who is not a physical specimen, but has a high IQ and is LEFT FOOTED! If Rose was a righty, she wouldn't be so highly thought of.

With that said MND doen't win state without the absolutely magnificent Emma Fry who was really the best player on that team that season. So Pitch mom you are correct in a sense. No LW doesn't beat MND and win state without KD, and Seton doesn't win state without their coach's leadership/strategy.

So lets not leave coaching out of the mix either. I knew MND was doomed last season (not with PK's injury) but when they were faced with OT penalty kicks vs SUA. The coach literally said the first 5 girls to stand up will take the kicks. I know the girl who didn't play all game (or season) scored, but I don't think another coach in soccer's entire history would choose that method if they really wanted to advance and win the state title.

For the game tonight: I could see the Saints being tired/sore from playing Monday and MND kind of hungry to win this game. But since I know who the MND coach is, they will be out-smarted and Seton will score 10 offside calls to win 1-0.
 
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Although soccer is a "team sport" one player can pretty much carry a team to a state title if she's strong enough. Lets look at MND's best player to date. Peyton Kohls scored more goals than RL, won 2 Regional titles, and a state title. RL didn't win any of that and was not as good as PK in high school. Granted RL got better in her 20's but PK was a teenage monster who played with a wreck-less abandon. Rose is a quirky left footer who is not a physical specimen, but has a high IQ and is LEFT FOOTED! If Rose was a righty, she wouldn't be so highly thought of.

With that said MND doen't win state without the absolutely magnificent Emma Fry who was really the best player on that team that season. So Pitch mom you are correct in a sense. No LW doesn't beat MND and win state without KD, and Seton doesn't win state without their coach's leadership/strategy.

So lets not leave coaching out of the mix either. I knew MND was doomed last season (not with PK's injury) but when they were faced with OT penalty kicks vs SUA. The coach literally said the first 5 girls to stand up will take the kicks. I know the girl who didn't play all game (or season) scored, but I don't think another coach in soccer's entire history would choose that method if they really wanted to advance and win the state title.

For the game tonight: I could see the Saints being tired/sore from playing Monday and MND kind of hungry to win this game. But since I know who the MND coach is, they will be out-smarted and Seton will score 10 offside calls to win 1-0.
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KD was probably the best High School player Cincy has ever seen.

But LionsRoar-- your hatred toward MND and their Staff isn't healthy. Clearly, they cut your daughter. Let it go.
 
PK is a fantastic player, but she was also surrounded by many other strong players.
That being said, one player absolutely can make a huge difference, but they have to have at least decent support to be able to do what they do optimally. KD having SJ matters too. If there’s truly only one without good support, it is definitely more of an uphill battle..
 
LionsRoar said:
Although soccer is a "team sport" one player can pretty much carry a team to a state title if she's strong enough. Lets look at MND's best player to date. Peyton Kohls scored more goals than RL, won 2 Regional titles, and a state title. RL didn't win any of that and was not as good as PK in high school. Granted RL got better in her 20's but PK was a teenage monster who played with a wreck-less abandon. Rose is a quirky left footer who is not a physical specimen, but has a high IQ and is LEFT FOOTED! If Rose was a righty, she wouldn't be so highly thought of.

With that said MND doen't win state without the absolutely magnificent Emma Fry who was really the best player on that team that season. So Pitch mom you are correct in a sense. No LW doesn't beat MND and win state without KD, and Seton doesn't win state without their coach's leadership/strategy.

So lets not leave coaching out of the mix either. I knew MND was doomed last season (not with PK's injury) but when they were faced with OT penalty kicks vs SUA. The coach literally said the first 5 girls to stand up will take the kicks. I know the girl who didn't play all game (or season) scored, but I don't think another coach in soccer's entire history would choose that method if they really wanted to advance and win the state title.

For the game tonight: I could see the Saints being tired/sore from playing Monday and MND kind of hungry to win this game. But since I know who the MND coach is, they will be out-smarted and Seton will score 10 offside calls to win 1-0.
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Was Seton tired last night? Or did MND and their Coach do well? 3-2 Win for MND, doesn't seem to bad.
 
cincysports4 said:
Was Seton tired last night? Or did MND and their Coach do well? 3-2 Win for MND, doesn't seem to bad.
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Seton played SUA two days prior, so possibly, but i think it's just two good teams going up against each other. Seton won at MND earlier this year 3-2 and MND returns the favor. I know Seton was dealing with the injury bug a few weeks ago, I know one girl is done for the year, but not sure about the other injuries.
 
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cincysports4 said:
KD was probably the best High School player Cincy has ever seen.

But LionsRoar-- your hatred toward MND and their Staff isn't healthy. Clearly, they cut your daughter. Let it go.
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Before we jump the gun here...how do you know his/her daughter was cut? My daughter (upper third player) has been on a team where a very good (middle third player, position neutral-could play many well--is ECNL now) was cut and replaced by a bottom third player (could only (attempt) to play wing, fo) , whose mother was good friends with the coach. On this same team another player was added to the roster, that was an even worse player, because her Dad was in position to give the coach a potential job. Her parents thought she was a defensive mid-the only position she could "play", but the problem was, she couldn't. My daughter would bust her a** to get the ball to the first player above. And almost all of those balls had "a bow around them" (other parents words, not mine). The 1/10 times this player was able to put it in the net, all coaches' accolades were on the scorer. Most times in addition to playing her own position, My daughter, as well as other players, would have to cover the defensive mid position as well. Ridiculous. Was I mad? You bet. My daughter had to work 10 times harder bc of these two "favorite" players, and didn't receive the credit she earned through her play.
You don't know LionsRoars scenario.

I will also add that watching MND play, and looking at their roster, girls were cut that are most definitely stronger than a minimum of four players added to that roster. Do they train on the side with the coach?--I have seen favoritism as a result of that as well. And there have been players talking about the MND coach for at least a year-- a lot of unhappiness there.
 
Seton dominated the game, at least the second half which I saw, which was pretty much a track meet. I did notice that twice MND subbed in a player who didn't even know who she was going in for. That folks is poor communication by the COACH. MND had the best player on the field, as the future Flyer had 2 goals.

As for the Seton CREW - What a bunch of cry babies, especially the coach. I heard a Seton field player say, "see she helped her up so you know she fouled her". Well maybe D. C. is a quality person and has class which is why she helped her up. Last time I checked, shielding is legal.

As for the Seton AD/HEAD COACH- What terrible scheduling. Should have not played 4 games in 7 days ending with MND. That's not too smart.

As for the REF: that old grey haired guy is passed his prime. Missed an obvious PK for Seton and later made a correct no call in favor of MND only to call a make up foul seconds later after the Seton coach, players, and parents all complained like chimps at the zoo.

PitchMom- my post got deleted when I rambled on about MND shenanigans... but yea my kid did get cut as a senior this year. She's just as good/better as the players on her club team. Such as the leading scorer for Mason, 2nd leading scorer on Sycamore, Kings leading scorer, Leading Assist from Loveland-ECC , etc. Only the Sycamore girl scored more goals than her during last club season. She also got a nice scholarship package to play NJCAA in Michigan. So of coarse, I'm going to rail on MND's coach every chance I get. She keeps players who pay her to train. Period.
Cheers everyone!
 
OH 10 -0 Over Middletown. Never saw that coming. Never could have prepared to do something other than embarrass the last place team in the league. Never could have had a plan to maybe not score after five...Like many many teams do. Just saying if padding stats walks like a duck and quacks like a duck just maybe it might be a duck!
 
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