Sounds good Robin...You're telling me these top DA coaches are coaching HS soccer? If they do, please tell me what HS they coach at. I was talking about the DA coaches, not just "club coaches". This is an absolute FACT, you put the top 15-20 "best" on one team and then tell me how good your DA team is. Again, not sure where you are confused Robin, but these top DA guys are not going coach any program they have to build up....not gonna happen.
College coaches don’t give a rats what high school you play for, they want to know what your club experience is
WRONG. Are you telling me when a player tells a college coach that they are a starter on Loveland or Medina or Walsh, the coach puts his hands over his ears and screams I CANT HEAR YOU I CANT HEAR YOU I DONT CARE I DONT CARE I JUST LOVE CLUB COACHES AND WANT TO SPOON THEM? (or something similar?)
First off. Saying "Rifdle me this Batman..." would make me the Riddler not Robin..
Some of DA coaches have coached HS. I agree there are great HS coaches and most if not all also coach club.
Are you saying teams win as long as they have great players despite who the coach is? So if a team full of great players lose why is the coach to blame? Seems like you are grasping at straws and looking to only discredit coaches.
WRONG. Are you telling me when a player tells a college coach that they are a starter on Loveland or Medina or Walsh, the coach puts his hands over his ears and screams I CANT HEAR YOU I CANT HEAR YOU I DONT CARE I DONT CARE I JUST LOVE CLUB COACHES AND WANT TO SPOON THEM? (or something similar?)
There is coaching education for nearly all sports. US Track and Field offers courses. Volleyball has courses.
I've seen major baseball, basketball, and football organizations (clubs, schools, leagues, etc.) offering coaching education. If someone wants to be good at something, they'll continue to do professional development. Soccer just happens to have one built in that is a FIFA standard. That's not a bad thing.
Again, you are forgetting that every team they play during the year is "stacked". That's what every DA team looks like. So there is no inherent advantage to win every game played based on your talent. But that's another reason top players elect to play with the DA over high school, the increased level of competition, both in games and training.I could have went with the Joker, but stuck with Robin...wasn’t much for super hero’s as a child. I am saying these Waldo super club coaches are not doing anything different that 95% of HS coaches at a training session. I support coaches, but I think the DA is selling pipe dreams to players and that’s my opinion. The odds of making the National Team is so small it’s a dream they market to these young players.
If CUP\Kings has 75-100 players trying out for 1 DA team their team should be stacked, and if you have a team that is stacked you should win, youndont agree? If they are marketing “best of the best”, they should win. A Waldo with a A license does not and will not make a good coach.
I could have went with the Joker, but stuck with Robin...wasn’t much for super hero’s as a child. I am saying these Waldo super club coaches are not doing anything different that 95% of HS coaches at a training session. I support coaches, but I think the DA is selling pipe dreams to players and that’s my opinion. The odds of making the National Team is so small it’s a dream they market to these young players.
If CUP\Kings has 75-100 players trying out for 1 DA team their team should be stacked, and if you have a team that is stacked you should win, youndont agree? If they are marketing “best of the best”, they should win. A Waldo with a A license does not and will not make a good coach.
Again, you are forgetting that every team they play during the year is "stacked". That's what every DA team looks like. So there is no inherent advantage to win every game played based on your talent. But that's another reason top players elect to play with the DA over high school, the increased level of competition, both in games and training.
My son is on a DA team. The idea of making a national team is not on his goals list. He does want to play in college, and he LOVES the high level of competition he gets every day in training and every weekend in games. He's an 8th grader right now. He would like to play for his school, but he feels like the DA is a better opportunity for him. Varsity as a freshman would be the only thing that would make him consider it over the DA.
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Agreed, which is why I put it in quotes. I was using his word. I will agree on the boys side the DA has almost completely monopolized the top talent in areas where there are DA clubs. Only places where some slip through the cracks and aren't on DA teams are in areas like Cincinnati where there is a cost to play. But even then they have most of the talent within an hour or two of the club. In many areas the only time they are losing top talent is because there are other DA clubs within the same city to lose them to (i.e. Chicago, Houston, the Northeast).I'm not sure I would agree that all DA teams are "Stacked". Maybe on the boys side.
Oh, and they are definitely stacked when compared to almost any high school team. Since the original article was about the DA vs high school. For that I will use that word as my own lol.I'm not sure I would agree that all DA teams are "Stacked". Maybe on the boys side.
College coaches don’t give a rats what high school you play for, they want to know what your club experience is
I just asked a Division 1 mena coach of High School means anything to him in recruiting a player. He said rarely, the only time it comes into play is with nationally ranked programs year after year
Interesting. See what happens when you get out of the college realm, you lose track of all rules."Coaches can communicate with athletes when the athlete is on campus." - BD
WRONG. As of last April, college soccer coaches can NOT communicate with athletes while on campus. Those kooky facts again...…..
WHOOO! You talk to 1 of 205 division 1 coaches, WOW, you are really in the KNOW!!
I can confirm that there was at least 35 div 1 represented at both the boys and girls state finals in Ohio.
WHOOO! You talk to 1 of 205 division 1 coaches, WOW, you are really in the KNOW!!
I can confirm that there was at least 35 div 1 represented at both the boys and girls state finals in Ohio.
Your point? They are playing on those state finals because of the years and years of training and development they received from playing club ball years before they ever started high school
They are not playing recreational soccer and then making their high school team and being developed into division 1 talent by a high school coach
How many Cincy area girls have committed D1 over the last 3 years that did not play ECNL, DA, National League, or MRL Prem 1?
I'm also trying to understand the level of HS talent in Cincy. I'd argue that HS practices can't emulate high level club practices because the disparity in ability prevents the time and level of intensity of high level club practices.
At the end of the day, the difference between an OE ECNL (Presumably DA and National League) and an Ohio Galaxies practice is HUGE! BeaverCreek had three ECNL girls I think (1 was composite as she was recovering from a broken leg). I think the rest were mostly MRL or lower level players. Same with Centerville and Springboro.
How many DA/ECNL/National League level players are on a Mason or Loveland level team in Cincy?
You can argue anything, but that does mean your right. Attend a HS practice before making assumptions. And your arguing about national level players, well in 30 years of great club soccer in Ohio, only Rose has made it to the national level on the girls side, so your point is asinine. I know you spend alot of $$ on club so you have to support it and say that it the primary way to make it in college, the reality is that is incorrect.
The point, that you are obviously missing, is that it is a combination of both. Yes the technical training that you receive in club is better, but the HS season better prepares for college because of the time table of both. In HS and college, you have to develop chemistry and understand a new team, coach, or formation in a short time. You do NOT develop that in club where you play with the same players & coach for years. There is also the pressure of playing in front of classmates and community members, not just family members on lawn chairs.
The point, that you are obviously missing, is that it is a combination of both. Yes the technical training that you receive in club is better, but the HS season better prepares for college because of the time table of both. In HS and college, you have to develop chemistry and understand a new team, coach, or formation in a short time. You do NOT develop that in club where you play with the same players & coach for years. There is also the pressure of playing in front of classmates and community members, not just family members on lawn chairs.
The point, that you are obviously missing, is that it is a combination of both. Yes the technical training that you receive in club is better, but the HS season better prepares for college because of the time table of both. In HS and college, you have to develop chemistry and understand a new team, coach, or formation in a short time. You do NOT develop that in club where you play with the same players & coach for years. There is also the pressure of playing in front of classmates and community members, not just family members on lawn chairs.
The only real positive for playing for school is playing with your classmates, and representing you school and community. That has merit, but let's not pretend there is more besides that when it comes to the actual soccer development of players.
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You can argue anything, but that does mean your right. Attend a HS practice before making assumptions. And your arguing about national level players, well in 30 years of great club soccer in Ohio, only Rose has made it to the national level on the girls side, so your point is asinine. I know you spend alot of $$ on club so you have to support it and say that it the primary way to make it in college, the reality is that is incorrect.
The original poster was talking about national league, not national team. Be careful feeding into the wrong things with this poster.Heather Mitts...
The original poster was talking about national league, not national team. Be careful feeding into the wrong things with this poster.
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What does any of that have to do with field use?thanks bd i know what you meant now. but still a question if all of the people on here are so anti hs, bad training coaching and all why are clubs using hs fields.