cabezadecaballo
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He looks worse than Letterman with his beard grown out. Like a wine head in an alley that got tapped for Trading Places II
Trumps mass deportation plan
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cabezadecaballo
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You don't ?
cabezadecaballo
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He thinks Mayorkas speaks law
Steel Valley FB
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I just googled it and most articles point to illegal immigrants costing US taxpayers about $150B annually.
Yappi
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Probably costs $10,000 per year to educate the kids of illegals. I'm guessing the costs to deport are far less than allowing illegals to remain here.
y2h
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Immigrants in the past didn't get welfare. And they embraced being American, they embraced citizenship. It wasn't merely a transactional relationship.
cabezadecaballo
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BS
We HAD a secure border under Trump. We have immigration laws. The last time we elected/installed a Democrat in the Oval Office, he invited the world to defy them. That's why we had an illegal alien invasion. You're nuts, AND you're full of crap.
You're a liar, too.
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gneiss rocks
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OK, you got me, but we need exactly "0" ILLEGAL immigrants.
What you do not appreciate is how supply and demand takes care of itself in the trades without unions. No one needs to give 20% of their income to a "often" self serving bureaucracy. I tried to get my kids into trades, especially plumbers, electricians or HVAC... you can name your price if you are good. Many are too lazy, soft or dumb to figure crap out and do it. Bottom line, people will pay what it's worth, and if you can make sht go away, make a washing machine shake for the lady, you will do well.
irish_buffalo
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Hammerdrill
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Even if it were cheaper to let them stay, we still need to jettison them. This is more complex than a simple math equation.
nwwarrior09
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The statewide average cost to educate a public school student in Ohio is around $15k per year per student.
That number is likely functionally much higher for migrant students due to schools likely having to contract services (if they have few) or having to hire (if they have many) additional staff and purchase resources for interpretive services and ELL teachers. Aside from language services, a kid from a poorer and/or unstable country is probably more likely to need some form of remedial or special education servicing to fill education gaps, adding more workload and cost.
nwwarrior09
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Feels like a very partisan issue IMO depending on education level, profession/class, and social beliefs.
If I were in a blue-collar occupation and working class/lower middle class, I’d probably never vote for a democrat again due to the present issues in my town. And that’s with having a very heavy “traditional labor Dem” family bias. Driving around this area that’s usually at least somewhat competitive, in general, it seems in terms of yard signs and flags the majority of Harris/Walz signs and flags are in wealthier neighborhoods with the exception of pockets of high minority population working class neighborhoods. Probably 80% or more of signs and flags in working class to true middle class areas are MAGA. Dems have pretty much completely lost their traditional non-college educated, blue collar, male based. And many still have their heads buried in the sand with zero understanding of why it is while they preach from their ivory towers to the peasants.
If I were in a blue-collar occupation and working class/lower middle class, I’d probably never vote for a democrat again due to the present issues in my town. And that’s with having a very heavy “traditional labor Dem” family bias. Driving around this area that’s usually at least somewhat competitive, in general, it seems in terms of yard signs and flags the majority of Harris/Walz signs and flags are in wealthier neighborhoods with the exception of pockets of high minority population working class neighborhoods. Probably 80% or more of signs and flags in working class to true middle class areas are MAGA. Dems have pretty much completely lost their traditional non-college educated, blue collar, male based. And many still have their heads buried in the sand with zero understanding of why it is while they preach from their ivory towers to the peasants.
said_aouita
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Not sure, is your mom legal yet?
SayMyName
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Bull GreenDog
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A vision of the future:
The year is 3024, the United States has a population of 100 billion. The entire continents of Asia, Africa and South America are abandoned because every one of their inhabitants has been imported here. Cats have gone extinct. The Republican governor of Ohio stands up to give a speech:
"We do not have enough workers" he says. "We must welcome 100 million Martians to our planet, or the economy will collapse."
Massillon now has 200 AP poll titles. Akron North is still 0-10.
The year is 3024, the United States has a population of 100 billion. The entire continents of Asia, Africa and South America are abandoned because every one of their inhabitants has been imported here. Cats have gone extinct. The Republican governor of Ohio stands up to give a speech:
"We do not have enough workers" he says. "We must welcome 100 million Martians to our planet, or the economy will collapse."
Massillon now has 200 AP poll titles. Akron North is still 0-10.
JUSTGOPLAY
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Ole Bill Clinton was spending $2.5 to $3.5 Billion per year during his second term to round up and deport over 12 million illegals. Even if those numbers are two or three times more in today's dollars, it will be money well spent.
said_aouita
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You are not allowed to give positive comments on yappi about any Clinton, even buddy.
Thank only congress where both chambers were ran by the gop, which resulted in
the government shut down in 1995 and 1996.
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Our skilled trade journeymen just got an immediate 15% in an attempt to lure hires from outside and get production employees interested in becoming apprentices. This is in addition to a 16% over 3 years they got last fall. Starting pay for production has increased 30% from March of 2020. Gotta replace the retiring boomers/older Gen Xers.
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y2h
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No one is against immigrants. Illegal immigrants are the problem. And we have plenty of people to work, stop incentivizing people to sit at home. Work or starve.
Hammerdrill
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Makes sense. The wealthy for the most part went to college and were apparently susceptible to the indoctrination inflicted by said college.
Since you and your suggestion that he does not know either means we should just let them stay on our dime or many dollars? We really need to make changes to our immigration laws. One place I would like to start is just because you are born here does not make you a citizen.
ironmanz35
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Move 'em on, head 'em up, head 'em up, move 'em on
Move 'em on, hhead 'em up, rawhide
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in, ride 'em in, cut 'em out
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in rawhide
Move 'em on, hhead 'em up, rawhide
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in, ride 'em in, cut 'em out
Cut 'em out, ride 'em in rawhide
ironmanz35
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irish_buffalo
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GTFOH
The point I am trying to make is we need to stop the pregnant person (I must be turning woke) coming over the border to pop out the baby so they become a USA citizen. To become a US citizen, one provable parent needs to already be a US citizen. As Walter says "We have the technology."
nwwarrior09
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I actually suspect that is going to be a major (and highly partisan) issue in the coming years due to the disparity in birthrates between the nation as a whole compared to legal migrants and illegal aliens. This same pattern exists in just about every EU country as well, and seems to be a growing point of contention across the pond.
I know locally some have already been in meltdown mode over the perceived birthrates of Haitians, most of whom are still sitting on some form of temporary legal status. There is only one hospital in this county with delivery/birthing services for what was a population of roughly 140k, and periodically I see musings about how in the range of 40-50% of current births there are the byproduct of the 15-20k Haitian migrants.
I know locally some have already been in meltdown mode over the perceived birthrates of Haitians, most of whom are still sitting on some form of temporary legal status. There is only one hospital in this county with delivery/birthing services for what was a population of roughly 140k, and periodically I see musings about how in the range of 40-50% of current births there are the byproduct of the 15-20k Haitian migrants.
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Put'em to work and they'll be paying with their own dimes. And by putting them to work I do not mean by scumbags who use them as perma-temps.
Omega
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Mass deportations??
Needs done.
Yet does it have any chance of becoming reality?
www.breitbart.com
www.washingtonexaminer.com
Needs done.
Yet does it have any chance of becoming reality?
San Fran. Official: There Will Be 'Resistance' to Mass Deportations, Like We Had from Courts
On Thursday's broadcast of WBUR's "Here and Now," Managing Director of the Immigration Defense Unit at the San Francisco Public Defender's Office | Clips
www.breitbart.com
Five challenges to Trump executing his mass deportation plan - Washington Examiner
Former President Donald Trump's promise to carry out the largest deportation operation in American history, if elected, would have a major impact on the country.
www.washingtonexaminer.com
