All Things Star Wars

lotr10 said:
Science fiction is one of the most, if not the most, diverse reading material out there. Trust me when I say that those of us who read a lot of science fiction have no problem dealing with change. It's the projected and imaginative changes in technology & culture that makes science fiction so fun and challenging to consume.

I think you've noticed wrong about why people are upset with Star Wars. Most of them are upset with the general decline in quality of all things Star Wars. If it ended there you would probably just see a slow and steady decline in Star Wars ratings and consumption. But those that have contributed to the dip in Star Wars quality are also the people infusing it with wokness that at best is distracting and at worse contributes to the decline in quality.

There is an arrogance about the current crop of actors & creative people behind the various Star Wars spin offs that drives much of the reaction. They routinely trash the "fan boys" who built Star Wars into the global brand it is. Why on earth would you bite the hand that feeds you?

They also constantly blather on about how the source material is so much better now that we have more people of color and women throughout. How is it better? They're doing the same thing with LOTR. Sit down Tolkien we've improved your tales inspired by Northern European myths with black Dwarfs s & Hobbits! As an aside I watch a lot of Bollywood movies. They are fantastic over the top entertainment. It would never occur to me to want to see fewer Indian Hindus and more white, black and East Asian characters in them.

BTW, this is the first time I've commented on Star Wars in a while. The last time I believe was to praise The Mandalorian which remains the best of the Disney Star Wars stuff. And for the record I don't watch the Disney Star Wars stuff anymore.
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So you don’t watch Disney Star Wars which means you’re pontificating about Acolyte without actually watching it.

How is anyone supposed to take you seriously if you don’t watch what you’re complaining about Lottie?
 
lotr10 said:
I stopped watching pretty much anything Disney and Star Wars related. It to often let me down and I grew sick of the preaching coupled to crappy acting and lousy stories. There's to much other great stuff out there including:

* All sorts of first rate Anime.

* A lot of stuff out of Bollywood is a hoot.

* The series Monarch with Godzilla and Kurt Russel is fantastic.

* And I'm eagerly awaiting the return of the new GOT series.
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And all that is fine. Nobody is required to like Star Wars or anything else.

But so many, and this isn’t directed at you, are saying outlandish things, and passing judgement on things they’re not even watching.

Just say it’s not for me and walk away and let the people who are watching something give their honest opinions on whether they like it or not.

So much of the huge things like Star Wars and other popular IP’s are getting or coming from people who aren’t even watching them or at least claiming they aren’t.


And this is more for places like Twitter, but then you also see immature people who are just hating on certain things because it thinks it makes them cool.
 
Cubsandtigers said:
Then stop watching it and let the rest of us enjoy it in peace.
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I can do whatever I want and just because you don’t like what I post doesn’t mean you’re going to dictate what I do. This is an ALL THING Star Wars thread. Not an ALL THING Star Wars d**k sucking thread.
 
Spartacus1987 said:
I can do whatever I want and just because you don’t like what I post doesn’t mean you’re going to dictate what I do. This is an ALL THING Star Wars thread. Not an ALL THING Star Wars d**k sucking thread.
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You absolutely can, and as you continue to pass judgement on things you haven’t even bothered to watch, your opinion will continue to hold no value and people will continue to not give a damn about anything you have to say.

Feel free to continue to post here. You’ve already outed yourself as a sexist and a homophobic bigot. I’m sure your future posts will go well. 😂
 
PantherProud said:
You absolutely can, and as you continue to pass judgement on things you haven’t even bothered to watch, your opinion will continue to hold no value and people will continue to not give a damn about anything you have to say.
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Interesting enough to boldly claim I haven’t watched any of this. This show in particular? No. The post trilogy and some other shows? Yes. All pure left wing garbage so my opinion is very merited.
 
PantherProud said:
You absolutely can, and as you continue to pass judgement on things you haven’t even bothered to watch, your opinion will continue to hold no value and people will continue to not give a damn about anything you have to say.

Feel free to continue to post here. You’ve already outed yourself as a sexist and a homophobic bigot. I’m sure your future posts will go well. 😂
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Spartypuss is even getting ripped it in a Star Wars chat 😂
 
Spartacus1987 said:
I will, you’ve exposed yourself as a left wing Marxist. I will continue to laugh at your posts in disgust 😂
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Ha not at all. Not hating people who don’t look or act like me doesn’t make one a leftist. It makes them a decent human being.


Politically, I’d consider myself in the middle, like most of the country probably does. I lean either conservative or liberal depending on the specific topic.
 
Spartacus1987 said:
Interesting enough to boldly claim I haven’t watched any of this. This show in particular? No. The post trilogy and some other shows? Yes. All pure left wing garbage so my opinion is very merited.
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You literally stated you haven’t watched any of it since Revenge of the Sith except the first two seasons of Mandalorian.


So are you now backtracking?
 
PantherProud said:
You literally stated you haven’t watched any of it since Revenge of the Sith except the first two seasons of Mandalorian.


So are you now backtracking?
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Not back tracking, more like I was misunderstood. Yes I’ve “passed” on most things meaning I watched them some and they sucked so I didn’t finish or I watched all of it and it was so bad that I completely removed it from my thought process.
 
PantherProud said:
Just say it’s not for me and walk away and let the people who are watching something give their honest opinions on whether they like it or not.
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I'm not sure I agree with your take here. If you are a fan of something, you should be able to discuss it, especially when the new "owner" takes the story in a new direction. We do this all the time with sports. You are a lifelong fan of a football team and they hire the wrong coach, play the wrong QB, or change their offensive style. Fans are allowed to complain. They are allowed to stop watching until changes are made.

I don't see any problem with a lifelong fan of Star Wars being upset and discussing their frustration. I think they have as much of a right to discuss the show as someone who just started to watch the show and loves the new direction.
 
Yappi said:
I'm not sure I agree with your take here. If you are a fan of something, you should be able to discuss it, especially when the new "owner" takes the story in a new direction. We do this all the time with sports. You are a lifelong fan of a football team and they hire the wrong coach, play the wrong QB, or change their offensive style. Fans are allowed to complain. They are allowed to stop watching until changes are made.

I don't see any problem with a lifelong fan of Star Wars being upset and discussing their frustration. I think they have as much of a right to discuss the show as someone who just started to watch the show and loves the new direction.
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I don’t totally disagree but it’s not an appropriate example in my opinion. You can certainly follow a sports team from afar and still know what’s going on.

You can’t properly critique a show without actually watching it.
 
PantherProud said:
I don’t totally disagree but it’s not an appropriate example in my opinion. You can certainly follow a sports team from afar and still know what’s going on.

You can’t properly critique a show without actually watching it.
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To follow up, my father-in-law is exactly one of those people. He stopped watching Bengals games years ago, but still could tell you what’s going on with the team and who they drafted each year. Even though he refuses to watch games until Mike Brown is gone.


Further I haven’t watched more than 3 full reds games in the last five years, not even disgruntled, but o could tell you their current record and name half the guys on the team and tell you how they did last year.
 
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Cubsandtigers said:
So you don’t watch Disney Star Wars which means you’re pontificating about Acolyte without actually watching it.

How is anyone supposed to take you seriously if you don’t watch what you’re complaining about Lottie?
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To be clear where did I "pontificate about the Acolyte"? I said that I wasn't watching it because previous Star Wars material from Disney largely sucked and was far to preachy. I was disappointed in the direction Disney had taken what once was one of my favorite franchises. So I dropped Disney Plus and haven't watched any of their newest Star Wars stuff. That's what I'm complaining about.

More broadly and inserting a political element to this, it's hard not to notice the woke quotient added to much of the new Disney material. We also see it in LOTR and other beloved literary sources and franchises. That topic is better suited to another thread but it does impact the likability of these shows for at least half the country.
 
PantherProud said:
And all that is fine. Nobody is required to like Star Wars or anything else.

But so many, and this isn’t directed at you, are saying outlandish things, and passing judgement on things they’re not even watching.

Just say it’s not for me and walk away and let the people who are watching something give their honest opinions on whether they like it or not.

So much of the huge things like Star Wars and other popular IP’s are getting or coming from people who aren’t even watching them or at least claiming they aren’t.


And this is more for places like Twitter, but then you also see immature people who are just hating on certain things because it thinks it makes them cool.
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Fair enough. But I'm coming from a position of having loved Star Wars and eagerly looking to consume anything new from that franchise. IMO Disney has gratuitously injected the cultural war into a creative property where it had no business. So I find it rich that when a large chunk of the Star Was audience, including those that have supported and cherished the franchise from the beginning complain, they're shouted down and basically told to shut up.

Another point I want to make here is that for those that love Science Fiction & Fantasy there is so much great material out there not named Star Wars or created by Disney. Take a look at these works and you might not be going back the That Woke Galaxy Far, Far Away.
 
PantherProud said:
You can’t properly critique a show without actually watching it.
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But you can critique the changes and failures of a franchise that led you to not want to view their newest offering.

And for the record there are a number of entertaining & amusing movie/series reviewers on Youtube who have been eviscerating the Acolyte. Spartacus1987 has posted some of it but it's only the tip of the iceberg. And for me some of the reviewers are quite good and have been spot on in their reviews of stuff I have watched. So I trust them.

BTW, over at Rotten Tomatoes the Acolyte has a 91% Fresh rating from critics but a disastrous 28% Fresh rating from the general audience. That has to be the widest discrepancy I've ever seen on that ratings site.
 
lotr10 said:
But you can critique the changes and failures
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lotr10 said:
BTW, over at Rotten Tomatoes the Acolyte has a 91% Fresh rating from critics but a disastrous 28% Fresh rating from the general audience. That has to be the widest discrepancy I've ever seen on that ratings site.
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It was also “mysteriously” getting bad reviews from fans before it was even released…

While it certainly looks like there’s been some review bombing, many of those poor reviews are certainly also legitimate. I think in today’s world probably every project at this point receives some kind of review bombing. It’s the nature of our society where a certain sector of people think it’s cool to be negative and to crap on things. There’s also those who rally against anything that goes against their own agenda.

Rotten tomatoes certainly has its value but I think it also has to be taken in a certain perspective.

I’ve always said that you can only look at the critics reviews so closely because a critics job is to review something whether they have any interest in it or not. So a lot of times when you see a bad review, it’s possibly from someone who, if given the choice, never would’ve watched that project in the first place. There’s an inherent bias.

And then with audience scores, it can only be trusted so much because they can be manipulated so easily by fanbases.

I think the most true critics scores and or audience scores are when you see it above 85-90%. that means for critics they are liking something that they may not have gone to with having any interest in. And in the case of a high audience score that means it’s so good that it’s not even getting review bombed.


For example, Hit Man that was just recently released on Netflix. 97% with critics and 95% with audiences. That’s a pretty good indicator of if something is good or not as opposed to something that has a wild variation between scores. If there’s a drastically different score, there’s usually something fishy going on whether it’s review bombing or reviews by critics, who just had no interest in the project to begin with.
 
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lotr10 said:
But you can critique the changes and failures of a franchise that led you to not want to view their newest offering.

And for the record there are a number of entertaining & amusing movie/series reviewers on Youtube who have been eviscerating the Acolyte. Spartacus1987 has posted some of it but it's only the tip of the iceberg. And for me some of the reviewers are quite good and have been spot on in their reviews of stuff I have watched. So I trust them.
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There’s any number of Star Wars related YouTube channels out there. A great number of them are in a contest on who can trash Star Wars harder. They figured out that trashing Disney gets them subscriptions and revenue. Negativity gets more clicks than positivity.

It’s toxic for the fandom.

lotr10 said:
BTW, over at Rotten Tomatoes the Acolyte has a 91% Fresh rating from critics but a disastrous 28% Fresh rating from the general audience. That has to be the widest discrepancy I've ever seen on that ratings site.
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The number of audience reviews that are one star with lengthy diatrabes about culture war issues is ridiculous. As are the reviews where you can tell they didn’t actually watch the show prior to posting.

It’s about time review sites establish and enforce anti review bombing standards. If you don’t like the show that’s fine. However giving a show one star followed by an angry rant about DEI without mentioning the show should be removed imo.
 
Want to stop all of the bad podcasts and media for your material? Then actually put out a good product that the fans like, not garbage material that’s trying to push a socialist agenda.

Disney and Kathleen Kennedy only have themselves to blame.
 
Spartacus1987 said:
Want to stop all of the bad podcasts and media for your material? Then actually put out a good product that the fans like, not garbage material that’s trying to push a socialist agenda.

Disney and Kathleen Kennedy only have themselves to blame.
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That won’t stop them. Negativity gets more clicks and views than positivity. There’s also the known fact that Star Wars fanboys are perpetually unhappy about something. They will keep right on whining and complaining no matter what Disney releases.

Out of curiosity why does Star Wars need to conform to your preferences? As far as I’m concerned you’re every bit as bad as the liberals when they get cancel culture happy.
 
Cubsandtigers said:
That won’t stop them. Negativity gets more clicks and views than positivity. There’s also the known fact that Star Wars fanboys are perpetually unhappy about something. They will keep right on whining and complaining no matter what Disney releases.
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Maybe, maybe not but the podcasts I listen to have given the shows that deserve it ample amount of credit. Also, what has Disney released recently that has been any good? It’s all been trash. That’s where the whining comes from
 
Cubsandtigers said:
Out of curiosity why does Star Wars need to conform to your preferences? As far as I’m concerned you’re every bit as bad as the liberals when they get cancel culture happy.
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Maybe because that’s how they got people like me interested in them in the first place? wtf kind of question is that?
 
My 6-year old daughter wants to start watching Star Wars. I've only ever seen 4 of them (the original 3 plus Episode 1). So, I have a couple questions:

1. In what order should we watch them? I know there are many off-shoot/spinoff movies, but let's stick to the basics.
2. Which ones are less/more kid-appropriate?
 
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