SWOH D1 Thread

JElder said:
Potential upsets I see are:

Little Miami vs Goshen
Mason vs Sycamore is Burgess still isnt playing
Milford v Loveland
LaSalle v East
Kings v West High
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-Not sure Little Miami over Goshen is a given as many think. Zeiner is very good, Goshen can score, and Little Miami is one of the few teams that isn't way better athletically than Goshen. I think Anderson is a worse matchup for Goshen.
-Everything I've heard indicates Burgess is healthy and Mason doesn't have an answer for him (47 pts, 27 reb, 13 blk, 6 ast in 2 games). If somehow he isn't playing, it's not even an upset anymore, Mason should win.
-Is Milford over Loveland an upset since they've already beaten them twice?
-LaSalle-Lakota East could be hideous. First to 30?
-Kings-West High matched up last year with West High pulling the upset. It should be a frantic game either way with the way both teams play.

Other potential upsets for games that might happen in the next round:

Princeton over Lakota West: Teams are pretty evenly-matched.
Oak Hills over Aiken: Complete contrast in styles, not a lot of quality data points on Aiken, and Oak Hills has improved over the season.
Milford over Sycamore: Aves only won by 4 in the first matchup (without Imade), and this is a huge rivalry for Milford.
Fairfield over Hamilton: Fairfield won at Hamilton by 12 early in the season and they play again tomorrow.
Lakota East/LaSalle over St. X: St. X margins of victory in the regular season matchups: 2, 1, 2.
Middletown over West High: This wouldn't be an upset in my mind.
Anderson over Little Miami: Anderson won both regular season matchups, so probably not an upset.

What's exciting is that there are only three teams (Moeller, Elder, and Winton Woods) that I would pencil into the sectional finals. There will be a lot of good games.
 
JBaller said:
-Not sure Little Miami over Goshen is a given as many think. Zeiner is very good, Goshen can score, and Little Miami is one of the few teams that isn't way better athletically than Goshen. I think Anderson is a worse matchup for Goshen.
-Everything I've heard indicates Burgess is healthy and Mason doesn't have an answer for him (47 pts, 27 reb, 13 blk, 6 ast in 2 games). If somehow he isn't playing, it's not even an upset anymore, Mason should win.
-Is Milford over Loveland an upset since they've already beaten them twice?
-LaSalle-Lakota East could be hideous. First to 30?
-Kings-West High matched up last year with West High pulling the upset. It should be a frantic game either way with the way both teams play.

Other potential upsets for games that might happen in the next round:

Princeton over Lakota West: Teams are pretty evenly-matched.
Oak Hills over Aiken: Complete contrast in styles, not a lot of quality data points on Aiken, and Oak Hills has improved over the season.
Milford over Sycamore: Aves only won by 4 in the first matchup (without Imade), and this is a huge rivalry for Milford.
Fairfield over Hamilton: Fairfield won at Hamilton by 12 early in the season and they play again tomorrow.
Lakota East/LaSalle over St. X: St. X margins of victory in the regular season matchups: 2, 1, 2.
Middletown over West High: This wouldn't be an upset in my mind.
Anderson over Little Miami: Anderson won both regular season matchups, so probably not an upset.

What's exciting is that there are only three teams (Moeller, Elder, and Winton Woods) that I would pencil into the sectional finals. There will be a lot of good games.
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Only basing my "upsets" off of seeding...
 
JBaller said:
-Not sure Little Miami over Goshen is a given as many think. Zeiner is very good, Goshen can score, and Little Miami is one of the few teams that isn't way better athletically than Goshen. I think Anderson is a worse matchup for Goshen.
-Everything I've heard indicates Burgess is healthy and Mason doesn't have an answer for him (47 pts, 27 reb, 13 blk, 6 ast in 2 games). If somehow he isn't playing, it's not even an upset anymore, Mason should win.
-Is Milford over Loveland an upset since they've already beaten them twice?
-LaSalle-Lakota East could be hideous. First to 30?
-Kings-West High matched up last year with West High pulling the upset. It should be a frantic game either way with the way both teams play.

Other potential upsets for games that might happen in the next round:

Princeton over Lakota West: Teams are pretty evenly-matched.
Oak Hills over Aiken: Complete contrast in styles, not a lot of quality data points on Aiken, and Oak Hills has improved over the season.
Milford over Sycamore: Aves only won by 4 in the first matchup (without Imade), and this is a huge rivalry for Milford.
Fairfield over Hamilton: Fairfield won at Hamilton by 12 early in the season and they play again tomorrow.
Lakota East/LaSalle over St. X: St. X margins of victory in the regular season matchups: 2, 1, 2.
Middletown over West High: This wouldn't be an upset in my mind.
Anderson over Little Miami: Anderson won both regular season matchups, so probably not an upset.

What's exciting is that there are only three teams (Moeller, Elder, and Winton Woods) that I would pencil into the sectional finals. There will be a lot of good games.
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OH v Aiken and Middletown v WH would be the two most interesting games of the 2nd round. I think Middletown would have the advantage, I don't think WH has played against much zone. OH/Aiken is must see for me due to the styles.
 
First tournament games tonight.

#2 Elder vs. #32 Colerain 6:00 PM at Lakota West
#17 Oak Hills vs. #26 Western Brown 7:30 PM at Lakota West
 
JBaller said:
First tournament games tonight.

#2 Elder vs. #32 Colerain 6:00 PM at Lakota West
#17 Oak Hills vs. #26 Western Brown 7:30 PM at Lakota West
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Apologies, I’m sure this has been addressed in the past, but do you (or anyone) know what the protocol is for setups like this—back-to-back games in the same gym?
Will they clear out the gym after the first game?
 
boothmark77 said:
Apologies, I’m sure this has been addressed in the past, but do you (or anyone) know what the protocol is for setups like this—back-to-back games in the same gym?
Will they clear out the gym after the first game?
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I think last year at west clermont in this round, they said they would be clearing the gym and that you would need to buy tickets for both games but it wasn’t enforced. I don’t remember having to leave the gym between games until final 4 at UD
 
Wednesday live scoreboard
Elder 57, Colerain 23 - final

ELD 12 19 13 13 57
COL 06 06 05 06 23

Oak Hills 71, Western Brown 33 - final

OKH 17 24 20 10 71
WSB 08 08 13 04 33
 
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boothmark77 said:
Apologies, I’m sure this has been addressed in the past, but do you (or anyone) know what the protocol is for setups like this—back-to-back games in the same gym?
Will they clear out the gym after the first game?
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Tonight is definitely a doubleheader for one ticket. 2nd game will tip 20 minutes after the first game. Last year at West Clermont was kind of unique in that multiple sectional final games were on the same day. I think one ticket gets you two games through the first two rounds. Sectional final games are all one-offs at each site. Districts, I believe, will in fact clear the arena between each of the four games, although they do offer all-day passes.
 
vamp2syd said:
Elder looked sluggish in the beginning, Colerain is just plain bad.... how is that?
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This is what absolute zero commitment to a basketball program looks like. They actually had one of the better coaches in the area in Scott Kerr the previous 2 years, and he tried to get out as quickly as he could. This current guy is the guy that got run out of Springboro after 2 years and his main qualification for the job is that he lives in Colerain Township. No one else seemed to want it.
 
vamp2syd said:
Elder looked sluggish in the beginning, Colerain is just plain bad.... how is that?
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And if you're wondering, every single GMC game, with the exception of when Sycamore intentionally rested Burgess, went exactly this way. Colerain went 0-16 in the GMC with an average loss of 66.6 to 33.5.
 
mrorcadood said:
You know, maybe Colerain wasn't so bad after all!
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They did win 3 games! I do actually think they would beat Western Brown. It’s schools like Western Brown that were the most vocal about this division expansion, but I hope they realize they are going to be one-and-done in D3 next year too.
 
JBaller said:
They did win 3 games! I do actually think they would beat Western Brown. It’s schools like Western Brown that were the most vocal about this division expansion, but I hope they realize they are going to be one-and-done in D3 next year too.
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I wonder where Western Brown would end up in coach seeding.
 
boothmark77 said:
Apologies, I’m sure this has been addressed in the past, but do you (or anyone) know what the protocol is for setups like this—back-to-back games in the same gym?
Will they clear out the gym after the first game?
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Sectionals they don't clear the gym. It's come one, come all, and let's enjoy some basketball. Districts you get 2 DH's. Gym is cleared between the two DH's.
 
JBaller said:
This is what absolute zero commitment to a basketball program looks like. They actually had one of the better coaches in the area in Scott Kerr the previous 2 years, and he tried to get out as quickly as he could. This current guy is the guy that got run out of Springboro after 2 years and his main qualification for the job is that he lives in Colerain Township. No one else seemed to want it.
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Little birdie telling me Kerr is ECC COTY
 
JBaller said:
They did win 3 games! I do actually think they would beat Western Brown. It’s schools like Western Brown that were the most vocal about this division expansion, but I hope they realize they are going to be one-and-done in D3 next year too.
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Thats easy to say after a team wins only 9 games, but they have had some success the past 3-4 seasons and would've made DEEP runs in the tournament at the new D3 level. A couple teams from out here in the southeast played them and they were really good. The tournament change was needed for schools like them. They were competing with schools that had 500-1000 more boys in their enrollment. Made absolutely zero sense. And this year's team played Loveland, Anderson, Little Miami, Harrison, Milford, Goshen twice, and Turpin. If they only played the new D3 level teams this year, they could have won another 3-4 games easily. Last year they went 18-4 and beat some of those bigger schools (Loveland, Milford, West Clermont) and got screwed in seeding by the coaches vote. Then went to the tournament and lost a close one to Western Hills on a terrible questionable intentional foul call.
 
SWO RPI said:
Tournament Bracket with spreads & totals. Totals not yet adjusted for tournament basketball though. Usually see about a 5-10% drop in scoring.

First two games tonight..

Elder (-34) vs Colerain Elder by 34 :cool:
Oak Hills (-22) vs Western Brown Oak Hills by 38
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Games tonight..

South 1
Princeton (-22) vs Ross
Lakota West (-25) vs West Clermont

South 3
Moeller (-55.5) vs Talawanda
Little Miami (-0.5) vs Goshen

South 5
Winton Woods (-35) vs Edgewood

North 1
Centerville (-34) vs Piqua
Sidney (-0.5) vs Stebbins
Fairmont (-20) vs Monroe

North 2
Miamisburg (-6) vs Butler
Beavercreek (-26.5) vs Tecumseh
 
PikeCo23 said:
Thats easy to say after a team wins only 9 games, but they have had some success the past 3-4 seasons and would've made DEEP runs in the tournament at the new D3 level. A couple teams from out here in the southeast played them and they were really good. The tournament change was needed for schools like them. They were competing with schools that had 500-1000 more boys in their enrollment. Made absolutely zero sense. And this year's team played Loveland, Anderson, Little Miami, Harrison, Milford, Goshen twice, and Turpin. If they only played the new D3 level teams this year, they could have won another 3-4 games easily. Last year they went 18-4 and beat some of those bigger schools (Loveland, Milford, West Clermont) and got screwed in seeding by the coaches vote. Then went to the tournament and lost a close one to Western Hills on a terrible questionable intentional foul call.
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They didn't get screwed by the coaches vote at all last year. They went 5-4 against D1 teams, with losses to the teams seeded #7, #10, #23, and #28 and wins over the teams seeded #19, #25, #28, #29, and #33. They got the #20 seed, played the #16 seed, and lost a close game. I would say that #20 seed was just about right.

And because they, and other teams like them, are butthurt about being treated "unfairly," they had to complain to the OHSAA and the OHSAA decided to completely blow up a division format that has worked for 37 years. Get better at basketball. And guess what? You're still going to be in a division with Withrow, Aiken, LaSalle, and Turpin dropping down with you as well and also joined by Chaminade-Julienne, Trotwood, Alter, and McNick among many others. They're not going to feel sorry for you. Western Brown would not have made a deep tournament run against that competition. They probably would have been able to win one game and that's it. Their fellow SBAAC schools went 0-5 in the D2 tournament last year and 1-4 in the D3 tournament. It's just a bad conference, no matter what size schools they play.
 
JBaller said:
They didn't get screwed by the coaches vote at all last year. They went 5-4 against D1 teams, with losses to the teams seeded #7, #10, #23, and #28 and wins over the teams seeded #19, #25, #28, #29, and #33. They got the #20 seed, played the #16 seed, and lost a close game. I would say that #20 seed was just about right.

And because they, and other teams like them, are butthurt about being treated "unfairly," they had to complain to the OHSAA and the OHSAA decided to completely blow up a division format that has worked for 37 years. Get better at basketball. And guess what? You're still going to be in a division with Withrow, Aiken, LaSalle, and Turpin dropping down with you as well and also joined by Chaminade-Julienne, Trotwood, Alter, and McNick among many others. They're not going to feel sorry for you. Western Brown would not have made a deep tournament run against that competition. They probably would have been able to win one game and that's it. Their fellow SBAAC schools went 0-5 in the D2 tournament last year and 1-4 in the D3 tournament. It's just a bad conference, no matter what size schools they play.
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Alter and McNick will not be D3. They will be D4. I believe Badin and Carroll will be D3 though.
 
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