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I'm excited that High School season is upon us. Almost all the kids are finishing their final club meet this weekend (Makos or Juniors) if they haven't already crossed over. I've seen some fast times from kids at some meets (I know some kids were fully tapered and shaved; and some have not at all).

On the team side of this meet it looks like St. X will win pretty handily. It should be a good battle for second between Moeller (a lot of good freshman and sophmores on their team this year) Centerville (always swim really fast at the meet) and Beavercreek (very strong last year with few Seniors from what I saw).

Some teams that are going to drop off a lot (unless they have freshman that I haven't seen swim yet) are Mason, Fairfield, Loveland and Anderson.

It's hard to make predictions on individual events as a lot of them are wide open and I will wait till after the classic in January to revist that (but feel free to start the discussion now).

Anybody else have thoughts, predictions, or just want to say I'm stupid and that's fine too.
 
 
BigSwimFan said:
I'm excited that High School season is upon us. Almost all the kids are finishing their final club meet this weekend (Makos or Juniors) if they haven't already crossed over. I've seen some fast times from kids at some meets (I know some kids were fully tapered and shaved; and some have not at all).

On the team side of this meet it looks like St. X will win pretty handily. It should be a good battle for second between Moeller (a lot of good freshman and sophmores on their team this year) Centerville (always swim really fast at the meet) and Beavercreek (very strong last year with few Seniors from what I saw).

Some teams that are going to drop off a lot (unless they have freshman that I haven't seen swim yet) are Mason, Fairfield, Loveland and Anderson.

It's hard to make predictions on individual events as a lot of them are wide open and I will wait till after the classic in January to revist that (but feel free to start the discussion now).

Anybody else have thoughts, predictions, or just want to say I'm stupid and that's fine too.
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You're stupid.

:)

In all seriousness. I'm very excited to see what transpires with this years season. I don't coach swimming, so it is all from a spectators point of view. St. X had an opportunity to go down the last 2 years (state meet wise), but that is not the case this year. They are too deep and too talented. I have not spent enough time combing through who returns and who graduated / and times of events to give in depth thoughts on each race. The Mason invite kicked things off locally here, and it looked like a some of the bigger names were missing from the meet. So it is still hard to gauge there. I'd like to look at some meet results before going much further. But I am very excited to see this season kick off. We have a lot of seniors at Milford, and there should be a few from that group that swim next year. Hoping for a big year out of them.
 
I was just going to say that Milford looks to be very strong. Turpin returns most of their top swimmers and is another team to look out for. Also, I may be partial, but look out for Talawanda. A good mix of young talent and veterans, plus the Caraballo brothers transferring from Thomas Worthington should add some depth.

Since St. X is the clear favorite unless drastic changes occur, the focus this year may be more on individual events. There should be some hotly contested races, and some records may be challenged in some events such as the 500(Hendricks, St. X) and the 100 Breast(Pohlmann, Beavercreek; Bader, Talawanda; Brower, St. X; and Kanzari, Beavercreek)
 
BigSwimFan said:
I'm excited that High School season is upon us. Almost all the kids are finishing their final club meet this weekend (Makos or Juniors) if they haven't already crossed over. I've seen some fast times from kids at some meets (I know some kids were fully tapered and shaved; and some have not at all).

On the team side of this meet it looks like St. X will win pretty handily. It should be a good battle for second between Moeller (a lot of good freshman and sophmores on their team this year) Centerville (always swim really fast at the meet) and Beavercreek (very strong last year with few Seniors from what I saw).

Some teams that are going to drop off a lot (unless they have freshman that I haven't seen swim yet) are Mason, Fairfield, Loveland and Anderson.

It's hard to make predictions on individual events as a lot of them are wide open and I will wait till after the classic in January to revist that (but feel free to start the discussion now).

Anybody else have thoughts, predictions, or just want to say I'm stupid and that's fine too.
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Mason has a strong freshman class...
 
BigSwimFan said:
Who are these freshmen from Mason? Have they been swimming club and not any HS meets yet?
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Looking into the makos meet results, there were 4 freshman boys that stood out.

Justin Hove - sub 5 min 500, 57 100 fly, 23.9 50, 51.5 100
Preston Baily - 57 100 fly, 23.7 50, 51.8 100
Alex Mechler - 24.6 50, 1:51 200, 51.5 100
Mpoki Mwalupindi 54 100 fly, 22.7 50, 49.6 100, 1:50 200

They went a 1:33.27 in the 200 Free Relay

Did not find more than those 4 standing out in the 13-14 year old range. I recall Justin and Mpoki from water polo, and showed some great speed out there for freshmen.

They will definitely add depth to their roster.
 
Larry Lyons Invitational

Moeller had a good meet over the weekend placing 2nd at the larry lyons invitational. Them breaking the meet and pool record at sycamore highschool in the 200 medley relay is big. Look for them to put up some good times at the district meet and state meet.
 
Talawanda looked very strong at the Classic this weekend. They will move up in the team standings for sure. While Mason may have some strong Freshmen I don't feel that will help them much in Districts as they won't be fast enough this year.
 
BigSwimFan said:
Talawanda looked very strong at the Classic this weekend. They will move up in the team standings for sure. While Mason may have some strong Freshmen I don't feel that will help them much in Districts as they won't be fast enough this year.
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I think this is true. Their strong freshman class has made Mason much deeper for dual meets but the young'ins, although they will make it to districts, aren't going to be advancing in individual events this year.

The next couple of years will be very interesting for Mason swimming if these kids keep progressing as there is another wave of solid freshman coming in next season who will further swell the ranks.
 
BigSwimFan said:
Talawanda looked very strong at the Classic this weekend. They will move up in the team standings for sure.
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The two Caraballo brothers just moved to Oxford this year from our Thomas Worthington HS team. They will be a good addition over the next few years because one is a junior and the other is a sophomore. Both mom and dad were good swimmers from Venezuela. Wonderful family.
 
SW District Meet Predictions:

Some of these are tough because you don't know for sure what events kids will swim, but here are my guesses before the Sectional entries are due Sunday and are posted next week.

Medley Relay - Moeller
200 Free - Carlsen
200 IM - Brooks
50 Free - Hutchinson
100 Fly - Robinson
100 Free - Hutchinson
500 Free - Brooks
200 Free Relay - Centerville
100 Back - Pohlman
100 Breast - Brower
400 Free Relay - St. X

The toughest part with this is traditionally Centerville has swam really fast at the District meet and St. X swims well but then faster at State. Looking at the top times there are going to be a lot of fun races to watch at this meet. Sectionals is just over a week away; I'm getting excited.
 
The Southwest has made a change in how many can advance to the district from the sectional meets. In the past any swim faster than the slowest automatic advanced. Now it appears that only the top 32 will advance. Any automatic qualifier not in the top 32 will be added at the end in open lanes. I suppose this is to cut down on the number of swimmers at the district meet where space is at a premium.

The new state system in place this year limits the number of automatics which seems design to lessen the possibility that a swimmer will be left out because of a slower automatic taking the spot. The state could adopt the same rule guaranteeing qualification to the fastest 24 and then adding any slower automatic to the field. That would ensure that all regions advance swimmers to the state but also allow all the fastest to advance. And unlike a rule advancing all faster than the slowest automatic it would limit the field to at most an extra partial heat.
 
thedutchman said:
The Southwest has made a change in how many can advance to the district from the sectional meets. In the past any swim faster than the slowest automatic advanced. Now it appears that only the top 32 will advance. Any automatic qualifier not in the top 32 will be added at the end in open lanes. I suppose this is to cut down on the number of swimmers at the district meet where space is at a premium.

The new state system in place this year limits the number of automatics which seems design to lessen the possibility that a swimmer will be left out because of a slower automatic taking the spot. The state could adopt the same rule guaranteeing qualification to the fastest 24 and then adding any slower automatic to the field. That would ensure that all regions advance swimmers to the state but also allow all the fastest to advance. And unlike a rule advancing all faster than the slowest automatic it would limit the field to at most an extra partial heat.
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I would love it if the state did this so it would be a true state meet with the fastest swimmers always getting to swim; I do not think it would work. The reason it works for the SW District is at Miami they have 9 lanes to swim in so adding in extra swimmers will not change the number of heats. I can already hear the complaining at the State meet if they had 4 heats of an even and who swam in what heat and got an advantage/disadvantage.
 
Remember this year each district has 2 automatic qualifiers and the rest will be at large. I doubt that any any faster times will be left home this year.
 
triclyde said:
Remember this year each district has 2 automatic qualifiers and the rest will be at large. I doubt that any any faster times will be left home this year.
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Unless the NW district swims really fast compared to their top times there will be some swimmers left at home.
 
So if the NW automatic swimmers are not faster than we might not send the 23rd and 24th fastest swimmers in teh state to the state meet. I don't think that will diminish the state meet. This year's version is a lot more fair than it has been in the past.
 
triclyde said:
So if the NW automatic swimmers are not faster than we might not send the 23rd and 24th fastest swimmers in teh state to the state meet. I don't think that will diminish the state meet. This year's version is a lot more fair than it has been in the past.
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I agree its a lot more fair. I was just saying that there will still be some swimmers left at home.

Can't wait to see how the swimmers do this weekend to set up the district meets. I will be watching the boys Sectional at Mason tomorrow night.
 
After sectionals i can honestly say i am very excited for the district meet on friday. Do we have predictions for the district meet? now know what everyone is swimming. mine are:
200 medley relay: Moeller, St. X, Beavercreek
200 free: Hendricks, Fry, Johnson
200 IM: Brooks, Delgado, Dennis
50 free: Clark, Hutchinson, Hobler
100 fly: Josephson, Wooley, Robinson
100 free: Clark, Hobler, Easley
500 free: Brooks, Hendricks, McNamara
200 free relay: St. X, Centerville, Moeller
100 back: Hamiter, Wooley, Pohlman
100 breast: Pohlman, Bader, Brower
400 free relay: Centerville, St. X, Moeller
 
I think he will be up there, but last years sectionals he went fast and then didnt drop much time at districts. That is just based off of last year and I look forward to seeing if that changes this year
 
You can't be too serious about that medley relay or any of the relays for that matter. Unless Moeller and St X are going to shave and taper for districts it should be a fair battle between st x, and beavercreek with beavercreek winning.

Beavercreek's front half when rested and eventually tapered for states will not be enough for st x(whoever there backstroker is and brower) and moeller(hammiter and hobler) to take down

beavercreek relay has four members who had breakout summers and and one with an olympic trial cut and two other with senior nationals.

Pohlman has already been 25 in the 50 and the other pohlman has been 24low. I would take a 55low from pohlman to a 24high than a 57.9 from brower to a 26mid. that alone will win the relay for beavercreek. and who is the breaststroker for moeller? a 59?

The other pohlman on backstroke has been a 50. this year already and i dont care what st x's rested sectional times are . on stats it will look like

pohlman vs gray dennis? second plus for pohlman
pohlman vs brower? second plus for pohlman
i dont see how st x is a favorite to beat beavercreek let alone moeller when

FINALLY all beavercreek's swimmers train with the Dayton Raiders who already have 5 Olympic trial qualifiers,and more to come for a club team that trains no long course and always tapers well. How many olympic trial cuts does st x have? how well did they swim last summer? when they all out tapered that fact is that they come from the best club in ohio by far. all 4 members of the beavercreek relay.
 
There is no doubt that they will be ahead in the hundred. It happened at Classics this year but their second half of their relay is just not fast enough to compete with St. X and Moeller. I look forward to seeing what they can do tapered, but i dont think beavercreek has a chance.
 
Based on the sectional times and with diving included, the SW scores: St.X, 452; Cville, 276; Moeller, 213; Mason, 173; Beavercreek, 154; Sycamore, 139; Talawanda, 132; Turpin, 127; & Milford, 117
 
OhioSWIM002 said:
You can't be too serious about that medley relay or any of the relays for that matter. Unless Moeller and St X are going to shave and taper for districts it should be a fair battle between st x, and beavercreek with beavercreek winning.

Beavercreek's front half when rested and eventually tapered for states will not be enough for st x(whoever there backstroker is and brower) and moeller(hammiter and hobler) to take down

beavercreek relay has four members who had breakout summers and and one with an olympic trial cut and two other with senior nationals.

Pohlman has already been 25 in the 50 and the other pohlman has been 24low. I would take a 55low from pohlman to a 24high than a 57.9 from brower to a 26mid. that alone will win the relay for beavercreek. and who is the breaststroker for moeller? a 59?

The other pohlman on backstroke has been a 50. this year already and i dont care what st x's rested sectional times are . on stats it will look like

pohlman vs gray dennis? second plus for pohlman
pohlman vs brower? second plus for pohlman
i dont see how st x is a favorite to beat beavercreek let alone moeller when

FINALLY all beavercreek's swimmers train with the Dayton Raiders who already have 5 Olympic trial qualifiers,and more to come for a club team that trains no long course and always tapers well. How many olympic trial cuts does st x have? how well did they swim last summer? when they all out tapered that fact is that they come from the best club in ohio by far. all 4 members of the beavercreek relay.
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First of all you must be a recruiter for the Dayton Raiders or something because your love for those swimmers has blinded you. Yes they have a lot of good swimmers and thats great that they have 5 swimmers with Olympic trial cuts. However trial cuts does not mean they will win the Medley relay. Yes they will be in the lead after the 100 but as stated before their second half can't compete with X and Moeller. They will lose their 2 second lead after Wooley and Josephson split 22.2 on the fly.

Also comparing 100 times for a relay that is all 50s is not very smart. If you know so much about swimming you should know that there are a lot of swimmers out there that can swim fast 50s, but can't hold it together for a 100.
 
Double post(sorry different topic than last):

Should be a lot of good racing this weekend with some fast swims coming from a lot of different people. Some kids did not swim that fast at Sectionals and aren't in the last heat and they can really step up and make top 8. I'm looking forward to it.

I think I'm also going to go to the D2 meet. Lots of great swimmers at this meet too. It will be fun see how many Oakwood boys make it to State and if they can win the State meet.
 
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