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Boys Cross Country State Appearance Streak (Extend or End?)

Attica Seneca East 1
Bay 1
Celina 1
Beavercreek 1
Cincinnati CHCA 1
Dublin Scioto 1
Hudson 1
Fisher Catholic 1
Marion Pleasant 1
Mineral Ridge 1
Minster 1
New Bremen 1
North Canton Hoover 1
Jonathan Alder 1
Rocky River 1
Tippecanoe 1
Van Wert 1
Versailles 1
Westerville North 1
Tuscarawas Valley 1
Cedarville 2
Chardon 2
Chagrin Falls Kenston 2
Maderia 2
Liberty Benton 2
Granville 2
Fairfield Union 2
Olentangy Orange 2
Marion Local 2
Lincolnview 2
Centerville 3
Oakwood 3
Hawken 3
Massillon Jackson 3
Minerva 3
Springboro 3
Black River 3
Ottawa Hills 3
Toledo St. Francis 3
Marlington 4
Bexley 4
Columbus Grove 4
Maplewood 4
Dublin Coffman 4
Lancaster 4
Shelby 4
Botkins 5
Dayton Carroll 5
West Liberty-Salem 6
Fredericktown 7
Mt. Gilead 8
Medina 9
Sheridan 11
Mason 17
Cincinnati St. X 18
Woodridge 20
 
 
Marlington will end.
Hawken will end.
Kenston will end.
Rocky River extend.
Minerva extend
Bay will Extend
Woodridge will Extend
 
There should be 60 teams on the list above, but I only count 56. (Apple Creek) Waynedale is 1 of the 4 unlisted teams and appears to be the only 2023 state team missing from D3 boys. They should extend their streak to 2 years. Maplewood should extend their streak as well. The D3 boys NE region is arguably weaker than last year, and it was as weak as I'd ever seen it.

Looks like the other 3 missing are: (Mogadore) Field in D2, Perrysburg in D1, and (Amherst) Steele in D1.
 
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Mr. Slippery said:
There should be 60 teams on the list above, but I only count 56. (Apple Creek) Waynedale is 1 of the 4 unlisted teams and appears to be the only 2023 state team missing from D3 boys. They should extend their streak to 2 years. Maplewood should extend their streak as well. The D3 boys NE region is arguably weaker than last year, and it was as weak as I'd ever seen it.

Looks like the other 3 missing are: (Mogadore) Field in D2, Perrysburg in D1, and (Amherst) Steele in D1.
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Yeah, sorry I missed those schools.
Woodridge Extend
St X Extend
Mason Extend
Mt. Gilead Extend
West Liberty-Salem Extend
Columbus Grove Extend
 
Mason 17 in a row- all under Tom Rapp.

Fact check if you want.
I believe Mason never made the state meet until 2008.

They have made it every year since. In their first year, they won in 2008.

I coached D2 in the 2001 season. I believe they were D2 in 2001 but did not make it to the regional meet. I know they did not turn D1 in football until 2004 or 2005.

Now they are the largest school in Ohio.
 
NWO XCTF said:
Thanks for being the one to point out the elephant in the room. Two of the longest streaks belong to two of the biggest schools.
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Wow, did you ever miss a load of facts. Mason was one of the smallest D1 schools when their streak started. Typical.
 
EuclidandViren said:
Mason 17 in a row- all under Tom Rapp.

Fact check if you want.
I believe Mason never made the state meet until 2008.

They have made it every year since. In their first year, they won in 2008.

I coached D2 in the 2001 season. I believe they were D2 in 2001 but did not make it to the regional meet. I know they did not turn D1 in football until 2004 or 2005.

Now they are the largest school in Ohio.
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Mason started running in the DI district meet in 1995. They qualified for state in 2007 which began their current 17 year streak.
 
yj_runfan said:
Wow, did you ever miss a load of facts. Mason was one of the smallest D1 schools when their streak started. Typical.
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I'm not here to say Mason and St. X are only good because of their enrollment. I believe it's not that simple. However, if you think Mason was the "little school that could" back when the boys' state streak started, then you are the one who is missing a load of facts.

In the 2007-2008 school year, Mason HS' total headcount for grades 9-12 was 2862. The only 3 public HSs I found with higher enrollments than Mason were: Oak Hills and also Mentor and Fairfield when comparing only grades 10-12 because those 2 HS' buildings did not house 9th graders. I'm not taking the time to look, but I'll wager that St. Xavier and St. Ignatius had more boys than Mason back in 2007. End of the day, Mason was comfortably top 10 in male enrollment in 2007 when their state streak started.

The ODE has this data going back to the early '90s for public school buildings and all the way back to the late '70s for public school districts as well as for non-public school buildings.
 
Mr. Slippery said:
I'm not here to say Mason and St. X are only good because of their enrollment. I believe it's not that simple. However, if you think Mason was the "little school that could" back when the boys' state streak started, then you are the one who is missing a load of facts.

In the 2007-2008 school year, Mason HS' total headcount for grades 9-12 was 2862. The only 3 public HSs I found with higher enrollments than Mason were: Oak Hills and also Mentor and Fairfield when comparing only grades 10-12 because those 2 HS' buildings did not house 9th graders. I'm not taking the time to look, but I'll wager that St. Xavier and St. Ignatius had more boys than Mason back in 2007. End of the day, Mason was comfortably top 10 in male enrollment in 2007 when their state streak started.

The ODE has this data going back to the early '90s for public school buildings and all the way back to the late '70s for public school districts as well as for non-public school buildings.
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OK. I was responding to NWO XCTF who didn’t look up the numbers and dates like you did. He just posted the same old, same old about Mason’s unfair advantage. How about we start a new rule here? If a post is made about Mason’s success there must be an asterisk behind their name to indicate their unfair advantage.
 
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OK. I was responding to NWO XCTF who didn’t look up the numbers and dates like you did. He just posted the same old, same old about Mason’s unfair advantage. How about we start a new rule here? If a post is made about Mason’s success there must be an asterisk behind their name to indicate their unfair advantage.
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Where do the words "unfair advantage" show up in NWO post. Only the willfully ignorant would not think being the biggest or one of the biggest isn't an advantage. Just because something is an advantage doesn't make it unfair. The coach still needs to get the kids out and train them to race fast which Mason has done a wonderful job on both areas.
 
CC Track Fan said:
Where do the words "unfair advantage" show up in NWO post. Only the willfully ignorant would not think being the biggest or one of the biggest isn't an advantage. Just because something is an advantage doesn't make it unfair. The coach still needs to get the kids out and train them to race fast which Mason has done a wonderful job on both areas.
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Where’s the second biggest school? Third biggest? If someone wants to complain about the advantage of school size Lakota West would be a better example then Mason or St. X. They came out of nowhere to win D1 then disappeared again. They have pretty much the same size advantage as Mason. Why no state meet streak? People like NWO can’t let a compliment to Mason go without bringing up school size. They should apply at one of the biggest schools and show us how to ride that size advantage to a 15 year state streak.
 
yj_runfan said:
Where’s the second biggest school? Third biggest? If someone wants to complain about the advantage of school size Lakota West would be a better example then Mason or St. X. They came out of nowhere to win D1 then disappeared again. They have pretty much the same size advantage as Mason. Why no state meet streak? People like NWO can’t let a compliment to Mason go without bringing up school size. They should apply at one of the biggest schools and show us how to ride that size advantage to a 15 year state streak.
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I think you don't understand what the word advantage means. You seem to think it means guarantee. Those other schools don't have something that is causing them to not take advantage of the higher enrollment. I don't know those schools very well, but I would assume that it is coaching.

Mason could have changes happens and could go 15 years without making it to state a while remaining the biggest school. That does mean their advantage went away it just means they are no longer taking advantage of the larger enrollment advantage.

Coaching is way more important than enrollment but that doesn't mean enrollment size doesn't matter.
 
These threads never fail to devolve into arguments about school size. Might be why this forum is dead. All sorts of results to discuss, but why do that when we can beat this dead horse.
 
Supertramp said:
These threads never fail to devolve into arguments about school size. Might be why this forum is dead. All sorts of results to discuss, but why do that when we can beat this dead horse.
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I agree 💯, let's talk about the main point here: Streaks continuing or ending?
 
Mount Gilead and Fredericktown will extend with ease.
Tuscarawas Valley, Fisher Catholic, and Marion Pleasant end.
 
Observation: I've been coaching at an inner city school the past few seasons for CC, and each weekend I need to really dig hard to find positives to give to the kids to build from. Improvement of times is one thing, and lately I've been able to compare improvement vs runners they have competed against earlier in the season. My kids are improving a ton. They should. They started at zero on August 19th with the exception of 2 kids that ran some over the summer. My best kid ran 19:36 last year and would be in the 17's but was hit by a car riding his bike to work a week before school started and messed up his knee to where he could not run this season. My other kid that ran over the summer very little just ran 21:00 which is a 2min improvement from the first race of the season. Won't bore you , but he finally ran to the plan we put together and hit the goal to the second. Big deal. different courses blah blah blah. So, I stated comparing our progress vs common opponents, What I found is that championship programs and top coaches have kids that improve and there are a lot of programs that just do not improve. Little to no improvement from start of the season to the end and little improvement from year to year. I'm not talking about the 16 min boys, I'm talking 20-23min boys.

I know how little the kids I coach really do. I know it's very easy to improve from 34min to 24min. It's really not that hard to improve from 20 min to 17 min either. IMO. It really seems to me that there is where the good/great programs are made.

When I went back and looked at how my 23:00 min kid that improved to 21:00 did vs kids he ran against the first meet and the last, kids were still running 23:00 and 21:00 kids from the first meet were still at 21:00! WAY TOO MANY KIDS.
 
mathking said:
Ours (Dublin Coffman) is probably coming to an end. Graduated 5 of the 7 from last year.
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Unfortunately, you were correct. 4-5 did you in, but you were solid through 3. #4 probably needed to be 10-15 seconds faster and #5 30-35 seconds. I say that, but #1 could have gotten 1 and 2-3 could have 5 each with 10 second ish. improvements. At least you aren't Dub. Scioto.

Bright side is you have an individual through.
 
Coach Rapp was sure to tell his Mason boys that their state championship was not really an accomplishment since they are the biggest school in Ohio and they should neither be excited nor celebrate it. Thought many of you would be happy to hear that.
 
CC Track Fan said:
I think you don't understand what the word advantage means. You seem to think it means guarantee. Those other schools don't have something that is causing them to not take advantage of the higher enrollment. I don't know those schools very well, but I would assume that it is coaching.

Mason could have changes happens and could go 15 years without making it to state a while remaining the biggest school. That does mean their advantage went away it just means they are no longer taking advantage of the larger enrollment advantage.

Coaching is way more important than enrollment but that doesn't mean enrollment size doesn't matter.
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Give me a break. Everyone understands the advantage of enrollment size. That’s why divisions exist. I only respond to the usual suspects that show up every time Mason or St. X is mentioned and belittle their accomplishments.
 
yj_runfan said:
Give me a break. Everyone understands the advantage of enrollment size. That’s why divisions exist. I only respond to the usual suspects that show up every time Mason or St. X is mentioned and belittle their accomplishments.
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Well they’re probably going to be unhappy again next year considering 4 of Mason’s 7 state runners are underclassmen and finished in the top 80 overall, including their #1. This year’s team didn’t start the season with the same expectations (or results) of their 21 and 22 teams but came together at the end of the year. That won’t be the case in 2025, they are a heavy favorite to win their 4th title in 5 years.
 
Supertramp said:
Coach Rapp was sure to tell his Mason boys that their state championship was not really an accomplishment since they are the biggest school in Ohio and they should neither be excited nor celebrate it. Thought many of you would be happy to hear that.
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That’s strange - doesn’t exactly sound like the Tom Rapp I know of. While I’m sure he’s trying to manage expectations somewhat by reminding his team of the school size/resources, I can’t believe he wouldn’t allow at least some celebration/excitement over a state title.

He’s a great guy and a great coach, who’s always cared about the individuals on his team. I think he would like the boys to be happy about their accomplishments.
 
CincyIllinifan said:
That’s strange - doesn’t exactly sound like the Tom Rapp I know of. While I’m sure he’s trying to manage expectations somewhat by reminding his team of the school size/resources, I can’t believe he wouldn’t allow at least some celebration/excitement over a state title.

He’s a great guy and a great coach, who’s always cared about the individuals on his team. I think he would like the boys to be happy about their accomplishments.
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I believe that Supertramp had his tongue firmly implanted in his cheek when he wrote that.
 
CincyIllinifan said:
That’s strange - doesn’t exactly sound like the Tom Rapp I know of. While I’m sure he’s trying to manage expectations somewhat by reminding his team of the school size/resources, I can’t believe he wouldn’t allow at least some celebration/excitement over a state title.

He’s a great guy and a great coach, who’s always cared about the individuals on his team. I think he would like the boys to be happy about their accomplishments.
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