State Appearance Streak

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Boys Cross Country State Appearance Streak (Extend or End?)

Attica Seneca East 1
Bay 1
Celina 1
Beavercreek 1
Cincinnati CHCA 1
Dublin Scioto 1
Hudson 1
Fisher Catholic 1
Marion Pleasant 1
Mineral Ridge 1
Minster 1
New Bremen 1
North Canton Hoover 1
Jonathan Alder 1
Rocky River 1
Tippecanoe 1
Van Wert 1
Versailles 1
Westerville North 1
Tuscarawas Valley 1
Cedarville 2
Chardon 2
Chagrin Falls Kenston 2
Maderia 2
Liberty Benton 2
Granville 2
Fairfield Union 2
Olentangy Orange 2
Marion Local 2
Lincolnview 2
Centerville 3
Oakwood 3
Hawken 3
Massillon Jackson 3
Minerva 3
Springboro 3
Black River 3
Ottawa Hills 3
Toledo St. Francis 3
Marlington 4
Bexley 4
Columbus Grove 4
Maplewood 4
Dublin Coffman 4
Lancaster 4
Shelby 4
Botkins 5
Dayton Carroll 5
West Liberty-Salem 6
Fredericktown 7
Mt. Gilead 8
Medina 9
Sheridan 11
Mason 17
Cincinnati St. X 18
Woodridge 20
 
 
There should be 60 teams on the list above, but I only count 56. (Apple Creek) Waynedale is 1 of the 4 unlisted teams and appears to be the only 2023 state team missing from D3 boys. They should extend their streak to 2 years. Maplewood should extend their streak as well. The D3 boys NE region is arguably weaker than last year, and it was as weak as I'd ever seen it.

Looks like the other 3 missing are: (Mogadore) Field in D2, Perrysburg in D1, and (Amherst) Steele in D1.
 
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Mr. Slippery said:
There should be 60 teams on the list above, but I only count 56. (Apple Creek) Waynedale is 1 of the 4 unlisted teams and appears to be the only 2023 state team missing from D3 boys. They should extend their streak to 2 years. Maplewood should extend their streak as well. The D3 boys NE region is arguably weaker than last year, and it was as weak as I'd ever seen it.

Looks like the other 3 missing are: (Mogadore) Field in D2, Perrysburg in D1, and (Amherst) Steele in D1.
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Yeah, sorry I missed those schools.
Woodridge Extend
St X Extend
Mason Extend
Mt. Gilead Extend
West Liberty-Salem Extend
Columbus Grove Extend
 
Mason 17 in a row- all under Tom Rapp.

Fact check if you want.
I believe Mason never made the state meet until 2008.

They have made it every year since. In their first year, they won in 2008.

I coached D2 in the 2001 season. I believe they were D2 in 2001 but did not make it to the regional meet. I know they did not turn D1 in football until 2004 or 2005.

Now they are the largest school in Ohio.
 
EuclidandViren said:
Mason 17 in a row- all under Tom Rapp.

Fact check if you want.
I believe Mason never made the state meet until 2008.

They have made it every year since. In their first year, they won in 2008.

I coached D2 in the 2001 season. I believe they were D2 in 2001 but did not make it to the regional meet. I know they did not turn D1 in football until 2004 or 2005.

Now they are the largest school in Ohio.
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Mason started running in the DI district meet in 1995. They qualified for state in 2007 which began their current 17 year streak.
 
yj_runfan said:
Wow, did you ever miss a load of facts. Mason was one of the smallest D1 schools when their streak started. Typical.
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I'm not here to say Mason and St. X are only good because of their enrollment. I believe it's not that simple. However, if you think Mason was the "little school that could" back when the boys' state streak started, then you are the one who is missing a load of facts.

In the 2007-2008 school year, Mason HS' total headcount for grades 9-12 was 2862. The only 3 public HSs I found with higher enrollments than Mason were: Oak Hills and also Mentor and Fairfield when comparing only grades 10-12 because those 2 HS' buildings did not house 9th graders. I'm not taking the time to look, but I'll wager that St. Xavier and St. Ignatius had more boys than Mason back in 2007. End of the day, Mason was comfortably top 10 in male enrollment in 2007 when their state streak started.

The ODE has this data going back to the early '90s for public school buildings and all the way back to the late '70s for public school districts as well as for non-public school buildings.
 
Mr. Slippery said:
I'm not here to say Mason and St. X are only good because of their enrollment. I believe it's not that simple. However, if you think Mason was the "little school that could" back when the boys' state streak started, then you are the one who is missing a load of facts.

In the 2007-2008 school year, Mason HS' total headcount for grades 9-12 was 2862. The only 3 public HSs I found with higher enrollments than Mason were: Oak Hills and also Mentor and Fairfield when comparing only grades 10-12 because those 2 HS' buildings did not house 9th graders. I'm not taking the time to look, but I'll wager that St. Xavier and St. Ignatius had more boys than Mason back in 2007. End of the day, Mason was comfortably top 10 in male enrollment in 2007 when their state streak started.

The ODE has this data going back to the early '90s for public school buildings and all the way back to the late '70s for public school districts as well as for non-public school buildings.
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OK. I was responding to NWO XCTF who didn’t look up the numbers and dates like you did. He just posted the same old, same old about Mason’s unfair advantage. How about we start a new rule here? If a post is made about Mason’s success there must be an asterisk behind their name to indicate their unfair advantage.
 
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yj_runfan said:
OK. I was responding to NWO XCTF who didn’t look up the numbers and dates like you did. He just posted the same old, same old about Mason’s unfair advantage. How about we start a new rule here? If a post is made about Mason’s success there must be an asterisk behind their name to indicate their unfair advantage.
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Where do the words "unfair advantage" show up in NWO post. Only the willfully ignorant would not think being the biggest or one of the biggest isn't an advantage. Just because something is an advantage doesn't make it unfair. The coach still needs to get the kids out and train them to race fast which Mason has done a wonderful job on both areas.
 
CC Track Fan said:
Where do the words "unfair advantage" show up in NWO post. Only the willfully ignorant would not think being the biggest or one of the biggest isn't an advantage. Just because something is an advantage doesn't make it unfair. The coach still needs to get the kids out and train them to race fast which Mason has done a wonderful job on both areas.
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Where’s the second biggest school? Third biggest? If someone wants to complain about the advantage of school size Lakota West would be a better example then Mason or St. X. They came out of nowhere to win D1 then disappeared again. They have pretty much the same size advantage as Mason. Why no state meet streak? People like NWO can’t let a compliment to Mason go without bringing up school size. They should apply at one of the biggest schools and show us how to ride that size advantage to a 15 year state streak.
 
yj_runfan said:
Where’s the second biggest school? Third biggest? If someone wants to complain about the advantage of school size Lakota West would be a better example then Mason or St. X. They came out of nowhere to win D1 then disappeared again. They have pretty much the same size advantage as Mason. Why no state meet streak? People like NWO can’t let a compliment to Mason go without bringing up school size. They should apply at one of the biggest schools and show us how to ride that size advantage to a 15 year state streak.
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I think you don't understand what the word advantage means. You seem to think it means guarantee. Those other schools don't have something that is causing them to not take advantage of the higher enrollment. I don't know those schools very well, but I would assume that it is coaching.

Mason could have changes happens and could go 15 years without making it to state a while remaining the biggest school. That does mean their advantage went away it just means they are no longer taking advantage of the larger enrollment advantage.

Coaching is way more important than enrollment but that doesn't mean enrollment size doesn't matter.
 
These threads never fail to devolve into arguments about school size. Might be why this forum is dead. All sorts of results to discuss, but why do that when we can beat this dead horse.
 
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