St.V-St.M 2022

IIRC - aren't all Canadian teams deemed "no contests" in the eyes of the OHSAA? aka - no computer points gained and treated like a bye week?

If so, what is the point? NO Ohio teams available week 2?
 
Brooksie said:
IIRC - aren't all Canadian teams deemed "no contests" in the eyes of the OHSAA? aka - no computer points gained and treated like a bye week?

If so, what is the point? NO Ohio teams available week 2?
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I've seen posts like this over the years and they completely blow my mind!! The point is that the kids only get so many opportunities to play high school football in their life. It's only jack arse adults who bring this type of shyte into the equation. What would you rather do on a Friday night? Play Xbox? You're better than this @Brooksie.
 
the123kidz said:
I've seen posts like this over the years and they completely blow my mind!! The point is that the kids only get so many opportunities to play high school football in their life. It's only jack arse adults who bring this type of shyte into the equation. What would you rather do on a Friday night? Play Xbox? You're better than this @Brooksie.
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I probably wasn't clear in what I was trying to say. My point was there are significant travel and lodging issues, and I am sure costs, in playing a Canadian team. I am almost positive that the OHSAA pigeon holes all games against Canadian teams as "no contests" - but it's not like I haven't been wrong before.

Yes, playing a team from Canada is certainly better than a bye week. The impetus for my point was to take on all that for no reward of additional computer points, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I hope the Irish athletic department exhausted all other in state possibilities prior to scheduling Lorne Park.

If we still don't see eye to eye on this, we can amicably agree to disagree.
 
Brooksie said:
I probably wasn't clear in what I was trying to say. My point was there are significant travel and lodging issues, and I am sure costs, in playing a Canadian team. I am almost positive that the OHSAA pigeon holes all games against Canadian teams as "no contests" - but it's not like I haven't been wrong before.

Yes, playing a team from Canada is certainly better than a bye week. The impetus for my point was to take on all that for no reward of additional computer points, doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I hope the Irish athletic department exhausted all other in state possibilities prior to scheduling Lorne Park.

If we still don't see eye to eye on this, we can amicably agree to disagree.
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I apologize for my aggressive tone in my response my friend.
 
offensive coaches that we know so far
Jeff Dallas VM87 -Offensive coordinator
Darius Green VM06-wide receivers
Gary Shadie -Runningbacks more than likely
Dan Larlham- QB coach /also helping coordinate the offense
Coach Dillon- Offensive line
(I believe coach papas is following coach nickol)

Defensive coaches
Shaun Lodge - Defensive coordinator linebacker
Rob Brown- Defensive line coach
Raschi Culler- assistant to coach brown

special teams coachs
now I don't know who's calling special teams more than likely
Jake Szurgot VM17 just because he has experices since 2017 in the freshman jv level
and I believe he's earned it and he'll learn from Cistone.

strength coaches:
Delone Carter

I just know Cistone is not done making key hires for the kids and for the program.
 
SeeYaSometime said:
When did Coach Murphy stop coaching?

How can Carter be effective when he’s got his kid at a rival school?
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because his kid can go where he wants that isn't the first there are many family and friends that are spilt between Hoban and us for example I Know somebody son who is a great friend of mine we had a power house team our peewee coaches wanted us to go to Hoban and actually talked to coaches from their but some went to Hoban and the other stvm we were split
 
clarkgriswold said:
Dallas's time as OC has been controversial in the past with many Irish fans complaining. It will be interesting to see how it goes this time around.
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very much so, I played for the guy his play calling is very predictable same slants, same draw, same inside outside runs, and play action there's no real thought planned into it. we got frustrated during the state semi final vs Try-valley game they took away everything that he had.
 
king.jd52 said:
because his kid can go where he wants that isn't the first there are many family and friends that are spilt between Hoban and us for example I Know somebody son who is a great friend of mine we had a power house team our peewee coaches wanted us to go to Hoban and actually talked to coaches from their but some went to Hoban and the other stvm we were split
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Never said his son couldn’t go to the school of his choice. Again, I’m wondering how much the Dad will be invested in the SVSM kids when his priority (which it should be) will be his own son and his status. We’ll just have to wait and see.
 
Back in the day there were St. V families and Hoban families and it was relatively rare that a person from either had a kid that headed out to the other. When I graduated from grade school (St. V) we had some kids (primarily kids that had come over from St. Bernard's) that were headed off to Hoban and you'd have thought they were going off to a distant foreign land for an inferior education. My dad and all of my siblings attended St. V and SVSM and I wasn't aware there was really any other choice.

Those days are long gone. There are still plenty of legacy families but many of my contemporaries sent their kids to other privates including, gasp...Hoban. My kid headed off to Walsh which fortunately allows me to maintain a good natured ribbing relationship with my Hoban friends. My advice to people now searching is that they are all good schools and that they should try to find the one that is the best fit for their kid.
 
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I was just reminiscing about the 2017 season. I realized that the first four weeks on all levels the program was 11-1 which hasn't happened in a while. I was apart of that freshman team we prided our selves with winning just like the varsity and that's were I was noticed by THE head coach Wattley and was able to dress varsity for the whole season. we have to get back to that certain swagger coach Wattley instilled in the program that tough and accountable football team that we know these kids can be.
 
clarkgriswold said:
The word on the street is that this year will be the last Hoban-SVSM game, taking us back to when the rivalry game stopped in the early 70's. The early rumor mill from Hoban is that SVSM threw the brakes on the game. If true, it is a shame and a bad look for the Irish.
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If true, this would be a bad look for the Irish. Kind of reminiscent of when the basketball teams stopped playing for a while.
 
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Irish60 said:
If true, this would be a bad look for the Irish. Kind of reminiscent of when the basketball teams started stopped playing for a while.
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Agreed.

The Hoban rumor mill is that SVSM backed out because the games were no longer competitive. I'd almost prefer the truth to be that the adults can't get along.
 
clarkgriswold said:
Agreed.

The Hoban rumor mill is that SVSM backed out because the games were no longer competitive. I'd almost prefer the truth to be that the adults can't get along.
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If true, I expect this one is on STVM. But I don't have much faith in the Hoban rumor mill. As I recall, they blamed the break in basketball on the Irish, too... which was laughable...
 
clarkgriswold said:
The word on the street is that this year will be the last Hoban-SVSM game, taking us back to when the rivalry game stopped in the early 70's. The early rumor mill from Hoban is that SVSM threw the brakes on the game. If true, it is a shame and a bad look for the Irish.
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Well not really, stvm are rebuilding so it kind of makes sense. also the brawl that happened in 2020 or the fact that its not competitive anymore could also be key factor on why its possibly ending.
 
It certainly has not been competitive. The series has been one of streaks, the latest being Hoban with 6 in a row. However, in the past streaks the games have been competitive while the last 4 years of losses for the Irish to the Knights have been by an average 31 points. Regardless, if it is true that the end of the rivalry is SVSM's initiative, it is at least a concession that their program is inferior and even that is a bad look.

Everybody is making it to the playoffs now. Man up and use the game as a measuring stick.
 
clarkgriswold said:
It certainly has not been competitive. The series has been one of streaks, the latest being Hoban with 6 in a row. However, in the past streaks the games have been competitive while the last 4 years of losses for the Irish to the Knights have been by an average 31 points. Regardless, if it is true that the end of the rivalry is SVSM's initiative, it is at least a concession that their program is inferior and even that is a bad look.

Everybody is making it to the playoffs now. Man up and use the game as a measuring stick.
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I could see it being an issue if both schools played in the same division, but right now they don't. I would prefer to see St. V. schedule a competitive D3 program.
 
I also would hate to see the rivalry go completely away, Clark.

Back in the not so distant past, this game was only able to be played at InfoCision due to the crowd size. And because of that, many non revenue generating sports were being funded by this game. Once the games reach the point of not being competitive, the crowds will decrease in size. And there goes your reasoning for justifying paying the rent for a facility like an InfoCision.

I think we are at that point now. A 5 year break in the series is good for its long term health. Let the Irish get their program back on solid footing under Coach Cistone and his new staff. I wouldn't advise playing again until that point is reached.

The current playoff point format offers you NO BENEFITS to play a division up against a tougher opponent. There currently is no "strength of schedule" factor. It's all black and white. A loss is a loss - any no second level points. The Irish would be much further ahead to schedule teams more on their level as they restock the program and accumulate many more second level points every season.

I am sure one of the reasons we haven't scheduled Massillon recently is the unrealistic expectation of a competitive game. It sucks to be a grown up sometimes, but those making the schedule also need to consider the mental state of our students and athletes getting blown out year after year to the same team.
 
I'll say this, Nickol did not do a good job when It came down to playoffs and Hoban. So what stvm needs to do is focus on rebuilding the football team and get back to where dan boarman had us in 2012 and 2013. Its gonna take some time but we need this break from Hoban. to really have a team to be proud of and would bet on every single Friday.
 
I hate to see it go, like Clark said, these games are often streaky. It’s not like we have D1 vs D6 , they’re only a division apart. Hoban has a coach that has built a very solid program, but look where Walsh was 3-4 years ago, and how they have rebounded. I saw the same thing happen in SoCal. After a brawl one year, the programs stopped scheduling one another. Like OSU-TSUN, the kids dedicated all their efforts and the success of their season, on winning this game. This game brought alumni back to town, and game week was filled with excitement. After a 15 year pause, it was back, and both programs were better because of it. If this does indeed happen, I hope it is short lived. Go Irish !
 
History shows this to be a rivalry of streaks as mentioned previously, see ABJ article from 2021 below

The history

The teams have met 46 times, with Hoban holding an 25-21 edge. But each school has had long winning streaks. Hoban won nine years in a row from 1998-2006. STVM then won the next eight, but Hoban has won every game since 2015 including two playoff matchups.

While Hoban has seen more recent success, the two programs have combined for seven state championships in the last decade. STVM won state titles in 2012-13. Hoban won in 2015-18 and 2020.

pretty close rivalry with streaks on both sides. St V is playing catch up with new weight room facilities and strength coach (Carter from Hoban) who was a great hire and will help in the long run. Hope they give it more time before tossing the series.
 
buckeye53 said:
I hate to see it go, like Clark said, these games are often streaky. It’s not like we have D1 vs D6 , they’re only a division apart. Hoban has a coach that has built a very solid program, but look where Walsh was 3-4 years ago, and how they have rebounded. I saw the same thing happen in SoCal. After a brawl one year, the programs stopped scheduling one another. Like OSU-TSUN, the kids dedicated all their efforts and the success of their season, on winning this game. This game brought alumni back to town, and game week was filled with excitement. After a 15 year pause, it was back, and both programs were better because of it. If this does indeed happen, I hope it is short lived. Go Irish !
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It would be sad to see this go away permanently for the sake of the players and students. It is great to have a "blood rival" game on your schedule that both schools circle the date on the calendar as soon as the schedules come out. Bragging rights are a precious commodity in the high school years.

I really hope and pray this game is back on the schedule in a few years. Maybe there will be different power brokers in place by then and attitudes will be different. I hope they can keep their eyes on the long term vision of this game. This series, throughout its history, has represented everything that is good about high school football. Most of these kids went to the same grade schools, but now are on separate sides of the fence in high school.

I am sure those of us that have fraternal siblings can appreciate the joy that comes with besting your older or younger brother.
 
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