Scoring oddity at college OAC meet

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Capital women scored .25 points for the entire meet due to a 4 way in PV. I have asked AI and searched internet and could find no results of any team ever only scoring .25 total points.

Here is AI response to the question.

There is no documented evidence in the provided references or widely available data confirming that a team has ever scored exactly 0.25 points in a track meet, whether at the college level or in other competitive formats (e.g., high school, professional, or club meets). The likelihood of this occurring is extremely low due to the standard scoring systems used in track and field meets.
Analysis of Scoring Systems:
  • Standard Scoring (e.g., NCAA, IAAF, High School): Points are typically awarded to the top 6 or 8 finishers in an event with whole numbers (e.g., NCAA uses 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 for 1st to 8th). In case of a tie, points for the tied place are divided equally among the competitors.
  • Ties and Fractional Points: A score of 0.25 points could theoretically occur in a rare scenario, such as a four-way tie for 8th place in an event where 8th place earns 1 point (1 ÷ 4 = 0.25), and the team scores no other points in the meet. For example:
    • In a track event, four athletes would need to record identical times to the thousandth of a second.
    • In a field event, four athletes would need identical measurements (e.g., same jump distance or throw length).
  • Practicality: Such a four-way tie is statistically improbable due to the precision of modern timing (to 0.001 seconds) and measurement systems. Additionally, for a team’s total score to be exactly 0.25 points, they would need to have no other athletes place in any other events, which is uncommon in most meets where teams enter multiple competitors.
Why 0.25 Points is Unlikely:
  • Meet Size and Competition: In large meets (e.g., NCAA Championships, conference meets), teams typically score more than 0.25 points unless they fail to place entirely (scoring 0). In smaller meets (e.g., dual or triangular meets), scoring systems may vary, but whole-number points are standard.
  • Historical Data: No records from NCAA, USTFCCCA, TFRRS, or other track and field databases specifically note a team scoring 0.25 points. Meet results focus on higher-scoring teams, and low scores (e.g., 0 or 1 point) are more common for non-placing or small teams.
  • Scoring Variations: Some meets use different point scales (e.g., 5-3-2-1 for top 4 in high school), but fractional scores like 0.25 would still require a rare multi-way tie and no additional points.
Closest Scenarios:
  • Zero Points: Teams have likely scored 0 points in meets when none of their athletes place in the top-scoring positions (e.g., top 8 in NCAA meets). This is more common for smaller programs at competitive meets.
  • 0.5 Points: A two-way tie for 8th place (1 point ÷ 2 = 0.5) is more plausible and may have occurred, though no specific instance is documented.
  • 0.25 Points: A four-way tie for a low-scoring position (e.g., 8th) is theoretically possible but undocumented and highly unlikely due to the rarity of such ties and the requirement that the team scores no other points.
Conclusion:
No track and field team is recorded as having scored exactly 0.25 points in a meet, college or otherwise. The standard scoring systems and the rarity of multi-way ties make this score improbable. If you’re referring to a specific meet, division, or context (e.g., a particular year, conference, or level of competition), I can attempt to search for relevant data or analyze a hypothetical scenario further. Would you like me to focus on a specific type of meet or check for low-scoring examples in a particular context?
 
 
Capital women scored .25 points for the entire meet due to a 4 way in PV. I have asked AI and searched internet and could find no results of any team ever only scoring .25 total points.

Here is AI response to the question.

There is no documented evidence in the provided references or widely available data confirming that a team has ever scored exactly 0.25 points in a track meet, whether at the college level or in other competitive formats (e.g., high school, professional, or club meets). The likelihood of this occurring is extremely low due to the standard scoring systems used in track and field meets.
Analysis of Scoring Systems:
  • Standard Scoring (e.g., NCAA, IAAF, High School): Points are typically awarded to the top 6 or 8 finishers in an event with whole numbers (e.g., NCAA uses 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 for 1st to 8th). In case of a tie, points for the tied place are divided equally among the competitors.
  • Ties and Fractional Points: A score of 0.25 points could theoretically occur in a rare scenario, such as a four-way tie for 8th place in an event where 8th place earns 1 point (1 ÷ 4 = 0.25), and the team scores no other points in the meet. For example:
    • In a track event, four athletes would need to record identical times to the thousandth of a second.
    • In a field event, four athletes would need identical measurements (e.g., same jump distance or throw length).
  • Practicality: Such a four-way tie is statistically improbable due to the precision of modern timing (to 0.001 seconds) and measurement systems. Additionally, for a team’s total score to be exactly 0.25 points, they would need to have no other athletes place in any other events, which is uncommon in most meets where teams enter multiple competitors.
Why 0.25 Points is Unlikely:
  • Meet Size and Competition: In large meets (e.g., NCAA Championships, conference meets), teams typically score more than 0.25 points unless they fail to place entirely (scoring 0). In smaller meets (e.g., dual or triangular meets), scoring systems may vary, but whole-number points are standard.
  • Historical Data: No records from NCAA, USTFCCCA, TFRRS, or other track and field databases specifically note a team scoring 0.25 points. Meet results focus on higher-scoring teams, and low scores (e.g., 0 or 1 point) are more common for non-placing or small teams.
  • Scoring Variations: Some meets use different point scales (e.g., 5-3-2-1 for top 4 in high school), but fractional scores like 0.25 would still require a rare multi-way tie and no additional points.
Closest Scenarios:
  • Zero Points: Teams have likely scored 0 points in meets when none of their athletes place in the top-scoring positions (e.g., top 8 in NCAA meets). This is more common for smaller programs at competitive meets.
  • 0.5 Points: A two-way tie for 8th place (1 point ÷ 2 = 0.5) is more plausible and may have occurred, though no specific instance is documented.
  • 0.25 Points: A four-way tie for a low-scoring position (e.g., 8th) is theoretically possible but undocumented and highly unlikely due to the rarity of such ties and the requirement that the team scores no other points.
Conclusion:
No track and field team is recorded as having scored exactly 0.25 points in a meet, college or otherwise. The standard scoring systems and the rarity of multi-way ties make this score improbable. If you’re referring to a specific meet, division, or context (e.g., a particular year, conference, or level of competition), I can attempt to search for relevant data or analyze a hypothetical scenario further. Would you like me to focus on a specific type of meet or check for low-scoring examples in a particular context?
That's really interesting. Capital couldn't have been expecting to make history going into the meet.
 
Got it beat....15-way tie for 5th place in the 1925 Class A state high jump. 1/15 point each!
That does. That is interesting. Did they use misses back then to break ties? How many total jumpers were in the field.

I am sure many of those teams it was their only fraction of a point they scored but it is a little different because that was not a competition that the entire team would participate in like the conference meet.
 
That does. That is interesting. Did they use misses back then to break ties? How many total jumpers were in the field.

I am sure many of those teams it was their only fraction of a point they scored but it is a little different because that was not a competition that the entire team would participate in like the conference meet.
I don't know the total # of jumpers in that field, but I suspect it was several dozen. I simply don't have a tally on the total # of district meets from 1925, but I do know that 2 or 3 athletes per district qualified to the state meet. Regionals didn't come about till 1965.

I don't have the rule books from back then, but given the number of funky ties I've seen from the first half of the 20th century HS meets (and I've seen just a few), it appears that tie-breaking rules weren't in the rule books. I wouldn't be surprised that those rules we enjoy today were the direct result of not wanting to have to calculate strange fractions in scoring out a meet as it would take additional time.
 
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