Duh. But a couple can be used the same way as a few at times. Doesn't have to be 2. I know you've won the last 2 and in 94. No need for semantics on a message board lol.
Talk a lot of trash and hate for someone who’s never won anything
. I don’t get any self esteem boost I’m an adult / fan who supports their school. 
I feel you about the runner-ups. In ‘98 when Chardon was runner-up, if they play that game 10 times Chardon wins 9. 5 turnovers to Lebanon’s 0, and Chardon out gaining Lebanon by 160 yards, but still losing on a last second hook ‘n ladder 27-21. Tough way to lose, which is very similar to a couple of Mentor’s runner-ups. You guys should have at least 1, I just wish Triv emphasized defense more during those years of outstanding home grown talent.
Na. It's two different playing fields. Quite frankly your school was an embarrassment to not get it done until 2010 with all your advantages. The system is made for the mini colleges to win it all a ton. That's why the disparity in D1 is so huge.Talk a lot of trash and hate for someone who’s never won anything
considering I went there won a title , coached there won a title and now as a fan get to see them win tittles. I think I have a little bit better insight into the program then a public school hater who can’t stomach the losses to better teams and just creates excuses.
I've bemoaned defensive coaching more than anyone for Mentor but all their chances weren't lost because of defense. Bad offense and some bad luck lost in 03, 06, 11 etc
And the reality is your school has never won anything
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You quoted me to shoot your dumb mouth off. You came into the thread where I was just talking to a Kirtland fan and quoted something to start a fight.And the reality is your school has never won anything
I’ll talk all day and your opinion and mine are never gonna change so let’s just agree to disagree.
I respect mentors program they built it the right way , and have been a contsant for 20 yrs . Strongsville/ Solon / Brunswick should all be jealous. They’re the top tier public north of Columbus, they just choke when it matters.
Man your internet tough guy posts have really got me scared
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Can't claim the internet tough guy stuff when you are the one starting fights behind anonymity on a message board ...Man your internet tough guy posts have really got me scared
mentor has choked , period , plain and simple and yes so did St Eds many years. Anyone pre 2010 would fully agree with you.
Young.Mooney has 9 state titles and many final 4s.Cleveland Benedictine has 8 state titles and many final fours.Better than many of the teams on your list.I guess the 1st 45 years of the playoffs don't count,just the last 6 or 7.
For sure - a lot of recency bias in these posts (mine included). If you expand to the past 40-50+ years, schools like Mooney, McKinley, Massillon, Ironton, etc are much more in the discussion (and I am forgetting a ton of great teams!).
They aren't in any of the regions in the thread title ...
Mentor has lost the last 2 against Iggy and is
I've been closely following the program since 1986. Your definition of elite is clearly different from mine.
Correct. You'd also beat Marion Local 18-20 times out of twenty. But there's no question that they are the better program. Whether Mentor is elite or "just" excellent depends on where one draws that line, which is purely opinion. I lean toward elite being at or near the top 2% of the entire state, which I believe would be 15 programs, give or take.
With 3 of those 4 probably in the last 3 years. But who knows?!
This thread was bumped from November. Not doing this again.
I'd argue any you of the 4 you put as elite have done more than glenville overall. Also you are going way back for st joes