simkon
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What stadium do you propose the OHSAA should rent? Specify a few if you would like, but please be specific.What has their surplus been? Pretty sure a stadium rental would barely dent that.
What stadium do you propose the OHSAA should rent? Specify a few if you would like, but please be specific.What has their surplus been? Pretty sure a stadium rental would barely dent that.
Not saying it has to be a specific one. Just saying using rent as an excuse or reason not to go to certain venues is invalid due to the surpluses OHSAA has created.What stadium do you propose the OHSAA should rent? Specify a few if you would like, but please be specific.
Well Akron Infocision hosted a playoff game for Hoban in the earlier rounds and did so at a large loss, which made them and other MAC schools re-evaluate their facility rental fees and other ancillary charges associated with stadium rental. How much do you think it would cost to rent a MAC stadium?Not saying it has to be a specific one. Just saying using rent as an excuse or reason not to go to certain venues is invalid due to the surpluses OHSAA has created.
The population center of Ohio is about 1/3 of the way between Columbus and Cleveland right off I71. So no, Dayton is going the wrong way.Uh it's closer to being centrally located than NEO. If it's not going to be centrally located it should be an effort to rotate around the state. (I know I know people in these areas have to bid)
That should be just one consideration. Not the sole deciding factor. How many millions is OHSAA sitting on?All of the larger venues besdies Benson and PBTS want to get all or most of the ticket revenue in addition to large rental fees and other fees.
I guess you never came to a Div 2 championship that involved Massillon.NEO residents don't even go to the games in Canton if they did attendance wouldn't suck so bad. Put the games in SW Ohio let us see how many people from NEO go to Dayton or Cincy. Name-calling isn't going to change the fact that people locally or not locally don't want to go to Canton.
I have no idea, but just stating the facts. All I know is if the OHSAA would have accepted the bid made by Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati, the OHSAA would be bankrupt right now and way in the red, that is what was communicated in a newspaper article from I think the Cincinnati Enquirer.That should be just one consideration. Not the sole deciding factor. How many millions is OHSAA sitting on?
Then it makes sense to put them at Canton/Massillon no need for this thread.Yes it is published in the newspspers I know for sure.
Pretty recently the following entities put in a bid: Ohio State, Columbus Crew, Dublin Coffman, Canton/Tom Benson, PBTS/Massillon, Cincinnati both Bengals and University of Cincinnati, Cleveland Browns, the University of Akron and the University of Toledo.
This was the reply from the OHSAA:
“All of the larger venues had a significant rental fee on their bid for the stadium,” Stried said. “We had two bids that had no rental fee, that actually gave us a financial guarantee. The larger venues also had a clause in their bid that would have taken a percentage of each ticket sale. That’s pretty unfavorable financially.”
The article was implying that Canton and Massillon charged no facility rental fees or the like, while all the others were charging fees and wanted a cut of the ticket sales.
Feel free to link the article since you are claiming this to be factual information. 17.9 million cash and investments in hand for OHSAA in 2023. Are you claiming holding the playoffs in Cincinnati the last 2 years would have cost OHSAA over 18 million. Please do the math. Partial credit may be given if you show your work.I have no idea, but just stating the facts. All I know is if the OHSAA would have accepted the bid made by Paul Brown Stadium in Cincinnati, the OHSAA would be bankrupt right now and way in the red, that is what was communicated in a newspaper article from I think the Cincinnati Enquirer.
No not over the last 2 years, it was from when Paul Brown Stadium put in their bid to whatever year the article was published. The state championships would not have generated any revenue and instead would have only been an expense if Paul Brown Stadium hosted under their terms, in which the OHSAA would not get any cut of ticket sales and have to pay a large facilities rental fee. I saw the article in passing, when I happened upon that other article which I cited with the quote from Stried about Canton and Massillon offering to host with no facilities rental fees.Feel free to link the article since you are claiming this to be factual information. 17.9 million cash and investments in hand for OHSAA in 2023. Are you claiming holding the playoffs in Cincinnati the last 2 years would have cost OHSAA over 18 million. Please do the math. Partial credit may be given if you show your work.
Didn't see in any article that 0 revenue would be generated. Did see that host site requested a portion of ticket sales, but definitely not OHSAA getting zero cut. Stried's comment implies the decision was made with the primary implication being OHSAA makes more money.The state championships would not have generated any revenue and instead would have only been an expense if Paul Brown Stadium hosted under their terms, in which the OHSAA would not get any cut of ticket sales and have to pay a large facilities rental fee. I saw the article in passing, when I happened upon that other article which I cited with the quote from Stried about Canton and Massillon offering to host with no facilities rental fees.
The article was from some time back where the newspaper journalist actually conceded that it makes sense that the football state championship games would never be in Southwest Ohio/Cincy/Dayton etc.Didn't see in any article that 0 revenue would be generated. Did see that host site requested a portion of ticket sales, but definitely not OHSAA getting zero cut. Stried's comment implies the decision was made with the primary implication being OHSAA makes more money.
You claimed to be stating facts, but those don't appear to be discoverable.The article was from some time back where the newspaper journalist actually conceded that it makes sense that the football state championship games would never be in Southwest Ohio/Cincy/Dayton etc.
Using actual numbers from the bid submitted by Paul Brown Stadium isn't an opinion. That is what was published in this article. The article was from sometime in the mid to late 2000s if that helps any.You claimed to be stating facts, but those don't appear to be discoverable.
One journalist's opinion at the time may be less valid today.
There are over 1 million people within an hour of Dayton compared to about 600K within an hour of Canton. if anything it is getting closer to the majority of Ohio's population. Population center do not really do much in this case since there are a lot of rural counties in Ohio.The population center of Ohio is about 1/3 of the way between Columbus and Cleveland right of I71. So no, Dayton is going the wrong way.
Population Center of Ohio – Let's Talk Data
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From the 2020 census, 5,633,962 people currently reside within approximately an hour of Canton. FWIW, Cleveland and most of its suburbs are only an hour as well as Akron & Youngstown and their suburbs.There are over 1 million people within an hour of Dayton compared to about 600K within an hour of Canton. if anything it is getting closer to the majority of Ohio's population. Population center do not really do much in this case since there are a lot of rural counties in Ohio.
Not sure how relevant a 15 or so year old newspaper report is. My point really is that using rent as your determining factor is irrelevant when your surplus is approaching 20 million.Using actual numbers from the bid submitted by Paul Brown Stadium isn't an opinion. That is what was published in this article. The article was from sometime in the mid to late 2000s if that helps any.
It is relevant when that bid is very similar to what all the major stadiums everyone suggested should host would cost the state. The only bids that made sense financially were those of Canton and Massillon, because all the others would actually be at a loss rather than at a profiit.Not sure how relevant a 15 or so year old newspaper report is. My point really is that using rent as your determining factor is irrelevant when your surplus is approaching 20 million.
Damn I got the large font for a response. I was just going by city population of Dayton Cincy and Cbus. It would probably be at least 5 million if I took into consideration suburbs and surrounding counties. NEO has lost some populations since 2020 Southeastern Ohio has grown in population in that timeframe.From the 2020 census, 5,633,962 people currently reside within approximately an hour of Canton. FWIW, Cleveland and most of its suburbs are only an hour as well as Akron & Youngstown and their suburbs.
This is the esitamted number for 2022 for pretty much all of Southwestern Ohio (includes the Dayton and Cincy area):Damn I got the large font for a response. I was just going by city population of Dayton Cincy and Cbus. It would probably be at least 5 million if I took into consideration suburbs and surrounding counties. NEO has lost some populations since 2020 Southeastern Ohio has grown in population in that timeframe.
Why didn't you inlcude the fact that they have just 9 months worth of expenses on hand? Or include what half the 17.9 has already been designated for?Feel free to link the article since you are claiming this to be factual information. 17.9 million cash and investments in hand for OHSAA in 2023. Are you claiming holding the playoffs in Cincinnati the last 2 years would have cost OHSAA over 18 million. Please do the math. Partial credit may be given if you show your work.
1 hour and 30 minutes? Come on "Driving Miss Daisy" people make that trip in an hour. Even driving your speed its still a half hour closer than Canton. Plus it is 6 lanes all the way to the stadium which is right off 75.This is the esitamted number for 2022 for pretty much all of Southwestern Ohio (includes the Dayton and Cincy area):
2,950,285
Columbus is over an hour away from Dayton, it is about an hour and 30 minutes usually at a minimum.
If you want to count Columbus, I can tack on all the areas of Cleveland and Warren etc that I left out of NEO, and make it within an hour and a half or two hours roughly.
I actually had occasion to drive from Columbus to Dayton just the other day and it took over 2 hours, but it was during rush hour traffic. And I generally drive 75 mph on the interstate when the speed limit is 70 mph.1 hour and 30 minutes? Come on "Driving Miss Daisy" people make that trip in an hour. Even driving your speed its still a half hour closer than Canton. Plus it is 6 lanes all the way to the stadium which is right off 75.
6 lanes ??Plus it is 6 lanes all the way to the stadium which is right off 75.
Three lanes east three lanes west.6 lanes ??
You don't drive 80-100 mph and then call your lawyer if you get pulled over? Or is he only on retainer for water disputes?I actually had occasion to drive from Columbus to Dayton just the other day and it took over 2 hours, but it was during rush hour traffic. And I generally drive 75 mph on the interstate when the speed limit is 70 mph.
I actually haven't got a legtimate speeding ticket in my life. Though recently I drove my brother to the Cleveland Clinic to perform last rites for one of his parishioners who died shortly after my brother and I arrived, and I had a police escort yet I got quite a few camera speeding tickets. I am presently awaiting a response from several as to how they plan to proceed, a few were smart and apologised already.You don't drive 80-100 mph and then call your lawyer if you get pulled over? Or is he only on retainer for water disputes?
Kent State missed an excellent opportunity to relocate the stadium in town during the construction boom of the last 20 years. A new stadium would have been walking distance ( not a bus ride) from campus. In addition the bars and restaurants would have been packed ( especially about the 3rd quarter) when the home team was on the losing end. But hey our KSU motto" WIN OR LOSE, WE STILL GOT BOOZE"!!Considering Kent State's stadium is a mile from campus I'm not sure what part of it prospective students might see without bincolulars.