Northwest Ohio Realignment

green_genes

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1. I wonder if Tiniora would leave without Ayersville?
2. Does the GMC want to expand to 10 teams? Who would be the 9th and 10th teams?
3. Is Swanton just delaying now, until they figure somewhere else to go? If so, where can they go?

Swanton would have been a better fit in the NBC than Maumee. Other than Eastwood in most sports, the other schools all are up and down from year to year. 50 minutes to Oak Harbor would be the longest road trip if Swanton replaced Fostoria.
 

ToledoGuy

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Swanton would have been a better fit in the NBC than Maumee. Other than Eastwood in most sports, the other schools all are up and down from year to year. 50 minutes to Oak Harbor would be the longest road trip if Swanton replaced Fostoria.
Which is still shorter than some of their trips in their current setup. I just don't think Swanton wanted to be anywhere without Evergreen and Delta and that's what ended up forcing their hand when the new league fell apart.
 

green_genes

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Which is still shorter than some of their trips in their current setup. I just don't think Swanton wanted to be anywhere without Evergreen and Delta and that's what ended up forcing their hand when the new league fell apart.

If football is the driver behind all of this, getting away from Archbold/Wauseon/Liberty Center seems like it would be more important than keeping Delta and Evergreen. They could schedule them in the non-conference. The NWOAL doesn't even play a full double round robin in basketball, do they?
 

Krasula24

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If football is the driver behind all of this, getting away from Archbold/Wauseon/Liberty Center seems like it would be more important than keeping Delta and Evergreen. They could schedule them in the non-conference. The NWOAL doesn't even play a full double round robin in basketball, do they?they only play each other once. & sometimes they will schedule each other twice, but one of them are non-conference games.
they only play each other once. Sometime they scheduled league teams twice, but the first game out of the two is a non-conference game.
 

fvapaches05

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1. I wonder if Tiniora would leave without Ayersville?
I don't think they would leave at all, but if they were I don't think Ayersville going or staying would stop them. The rivalry with us is bigger than the Tinora/Ayersville rivalry at this point really. GM dwindling in Defiance has really hit Ayersville hard.

2. Does the GMC want to expand to 10 teams? Who would be the 9th and 10th teams?
Haven't shown any interest in expanding from 8, If they hypothetically went 10 though the best options would probably be Montpelier/North Central in Williams County (Edgerton is the only Williams county school in the GMC currently), or, if the NWOAL disbanded, some combination of those schools. (PH/LC or Archbold/Bryan would be my guesses.)
 
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StateChampion2012

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1. I wonder if Tiniora would leave without Ayersville?
2. Does the GMC want to expand to 10 teams? Who would be the 9th and 10th teams?
3. Is Swanton just delaying now, until they figure somewhere else to go? If so, where can they go?
Could the NWOAL go big school small school?
 

ZaBo

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If you go back about 6 months and 100 pages I actually suggested a GMC/NWOAL merger with a big/small school division and got flamed pretty hard for it. I didn't think it was an actual possibility but the hypotheticals are fun to consider if nothing else.
I think an NWOAL/GMC merger would be great
 

fvapaches05

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I think an NWOAL/GMC merger would be great
I do think it would give both leagues a lot more security. If one or two teams start exploring other options or start struggling with numbers, you're conference isn't immediately at death's door. There are a lot of historical rivalries across the leagues too. (LC/Tinora, Wauseon/Fairview, Bryan/Fairview, etc.)
 

ToledoGuy

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With Swanton now staying, sounds like the conference realignment might now be dead in the water.
There is still the 12th spot in the NLL, but it sounds like there is only one willing possible candidate (Lima Senior) despite the league's misgivings. I'd imagine some more dominoes would fall if Columbian or Defiance jumped, but those both seem to be relative longshots at this point given all of the anecdotal evidence on here.
 

SBClives

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Where would they go? SBC River or NWCC. Both of the conferences are now at 10 teams. Not sure there is room for Arcadia unless those conferences would expand to 12.
SBC River. Now that NB and Cory Rawson are leaving and Vanlue is barely hanging on, Arcadia will be the new punching bag for the BVC once those schools are gone. To be honest it’d be a good move for them to leave and maybe replace them with Fostoria. They are a terrible fit in the NBC anyway.
 

dhsdog06

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I don't think they would leave at all, but if they were I don't think Ayersville going or staying would stop them. The rivalry with us is bigger than the Tinora/Ayersville rivalry at this point really. GM dwindling in Defiance has really hit Ayersville hard.


Haven't shown any interest in expanding from 8, If they hypothetically went 10 though the best options would probably be Montpelier/North Central in Williams County (Edgerton is the only Williams county school in the GMC currently), or, if the NWOAL disbanded, some combination of those schools. (PH/LC or Archbold/Bryan would be my guesses.)

Just curious, why North Central over Edon? I'd think Edon with an established football program and being right on 49 could be attractive if they ever needed someone.

I think the GMC's dream setup to get to 12 though would be Archbold, LC, PH, and Crestview. Bryan would do in a pinch if and when Crestview balked.
 

fvapaches05

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Just curious, why North Central over Edon? I'd think Edon with an established football program and being right on 49 could be attractive if they ever needed someone.
Honestly, I had completely forgot about Edon and knew NC was starting varsity this year. Between the two, Edon would definitely be the better pickup.
 

fvapaches05

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I think the GMC's dream setup to get to 12 though would be Archbold, LC, PH, and Crestview. Bryan would do in a pinch if and when Crestview balked.
I think this would be ideal. I want to complain about the 42 minute drive to PH from Fairview but I know I'm just spoiled currently with how geographically close everything is and Sherwood being basically dead center in the GMC footprint.
 

StateChampion2012

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If you go back about 6 months and 100 pages I actually suggested a GMC/NWOAL merger with a big/small school division and got flamed pretty hard for it. I didn't think it was an actual possibility but the hypotheticals are fun to consider if nothing else.
I think I said an idea that would have a big and small school NWOAL and have the GMC still exist awhile back on this thread
 

dhsdog06

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I think I said an idea that would have a big and small school NWOAL and have the GMC still exist awhile back on this thread

I've brought up a few times that if Napoleon ever wanted out of the NLL and Defiance decided better travel was attractive, the NWOAL could always add those 2 and split 5/5

Napoleon
Defiance
Wauseon
Bryan
Archbold- not the 5th biggest, but would not only compete but win consistently

Liberty Center
Patrick Henry
Swanton
Evergreen
Delta

I'd figure most of the week 6-10 byes would be crossovers out of convenience, then I wouldn't have mandatory crossovers week 4 and 5....again realizing most would play them anyway.
 

StateChampion2012

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I've brought up a few times that if Napoleon ever wanted out of the NLL and Defiance decided better travel was attractive, the NWOAL could always add those 2 and split 5/5

Napoleon
Defiance
Wauseon
Bryan
Archbold- not the 5th biggest, but would not only compete but win consistently

Liberty Center
Patrick Henry
Swanton
Evergreen
Delta

I'd figure most of the week 6-10 byes would be crossovers out of convenience, then I wouldn't have mandatory crossovers week 4 and 5....again realizing most would play them anyway.
Not too bad of an idea
 

StateChampion2012

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Yeah...I guess I just look at it as if you're playing 4 games against your division and 3 games against the other, why wouldn't it just be a 10 team conference? You're not even avoiding the other teams at that point.
I'd probably take it a little further than that

Big
Archbold
Bowling Green
Bryan
Defiance
Napoleon
Wauseon

Small
Delta
Evergreen
Liberty Center
Montpelier
Patrick Henry
Swanton

That would leave 6 and 6
 

OHIOVSTW419

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I'd probably take it a little further than that

Big
Archbold
Bowling Green
Bryan
Defiance
Napoleon
Wauseon

Small
Delta
Evergreen
Liberty Center
Montpelier
Patrick Henry
Swanton

That would leave 6 and 6
I’d say let BG stay in the NLL. Let Maumee and Rossford back in it. Montpelier stays wherever they’re at. Take Otsego and Eastwood for upper and Lake Northwood and Ottawa Hills for smaller. Fostoria to BVC, Genoa and Oak Harbor to SBC. Napoleon and Defiance staying put could be replaced by Maumee and Rossford as well


Lake is actually bigger than Archbold but not as competitive across the board
 

dhsdog06

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Yeah...I guess I just look at it as if you're playing 4 games against your division and 3 games against the other, why wouldn't it just be a 10 team conference? You're not even avoiding the other teams at that point.

Guarantee if it ever happened, the Swantons and Evergreens wouldn't be on board with 3 crossovers. No way they'd consistently play Napoleon or Defiance.
 

Krasula24

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I’d say let BG stay in the NLL. Let Maumee and Rossford back in it. Montpelier stays wherever they’re at. Take Otsego and Eastwood for upper and Lake Northwood and Ottawa Hills for smaller. Fostoria to BVC, Genoa and Oak Harbor to SBC. Napoleon and Defiance staying put could be replaced by Maumee and Rossford as well


Lake is actually bigger than Archbold but not as competitive across the board
Archbold enrollment numbers has decreased significantly dropping from D5 to D6 in football. Right now, delta, evergreen, & Swanton have bigger enrollment or identical enrollment numbers with archbold.

Archbold: 146 Boys - 146 Girls
Delta: 136 boys - 134 girls
Evergreen: 154 boys - 150 girls (surprising) looks like they’re growing significantly
swanton: 176 boys - 155 girls

Im curious is to why archbold’s growth as a city and school district is declining pretty significantly
 

Maple_City_Fan

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I’d say let BG stay in the NLL. Let Maumee and Rossford back in it. Montpelier stays wherever they’re at. Take Otsego and Eastwood for upper and Lake Northwood and Ottawa Hills for smaller. Fostoria to BVC, Genoa and Oak Harbor to SBC. Napoleon and Defiance staying put could be replaced by Maumee and Rossford as well


Lake is actually bigger than Archbold but not as competitive across the board
Oak Harbor did SBC for 35 years. Playoff structure is such SBC isn't a necessity anymore. Why cross the Edison Bridge when you don't have to, especially this time of year?
 

green_genes

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Oak Harbor did SBC for 35 years. Playoff structure is such SBC isn't a necessity anymore. Why cross the Edison Bridge when you don't have to, especially this time of year?
Lake/Eastwood/Rossford/Genoa/Oak Harbor/Otsego is about perfect in terms of school size/travel/demographics.

Still not sure why Elmwood wanted out so badly - maybe worried about something that isn't ever really going to happen.
 

Maple_City_Fan

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Lake/Eastwood/Rossford/Genoa/Oak Harbor/Otsego is about perfect in terms of school size/travel/demographics.

Still not sure why Elmwood wanted out so badly - maybe worried about something that isn't ever really going to happen.
basically old SLL OH left due to going 9-1/10-0, but kept missing Playoffs. Same with Edison when in Firelands Conference
 
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