winbypin
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You mean a "professional" suicide, right?
No exceptions
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Ohio Taliban working hard to ignore Ohio voters....
Reuters
Ohio judge blocks 'heartbeat' abortion ban, criticizes Republican attorney general
Daniel Wiessner
Thu, October 24, 2024 at 6:18 PM EDT3 min read
(Reuters) - An Ohio judge permanently struck down the state's ban on abortion after about six weeks on Thursday and criticized its Republican attorney general for attempting to circumvent the will of Ohioans who voted to enshrine abortion protections in the state constitution.
Judge Christian Jenkins of the Hamilton County Court of Common Pleas in Cincinnati said the Republican-backed 2019 state law would interfere with women's ability to receive abortions and discourage doctors from performing them, in violation of a constitutional amendment approved by voters last year.
The office of Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost, a Republican, acknowledged that the ban itself could not stand in light of the ballot initiative, but had argued that 14 other provisions of the state law should be upheld.
Those included requirements to have doctors check for fetal heartbeats before performing abortions, inform patients seeking abortions when their fetuses are viable, and have patients wait 24 hours after seeing a doctor before undergoing an abortion.
Jenkins said those provisions were unconstitutional because the ballot measure's broad wording prohibits any burden on the ability to exercise the right to have an abortion.
He noted that when the U.S. Supreme Court in 2022 overruled its landmark Roe v. Wade precedent that had guaranteed abortion rights nationwide, it said it was returning the issue of abortion to individual states and that "women are not without electoral or political power."
"Ohio's Attorney General evidently didn't get the memo," wrote Jenkins, a Democrat who was elected to his post in 2021. "Unlike the Ohio Attorney General, this court will uphold the Ohio Constitution's protection of abortion rights."
Bethany McCorkle, a spokeswoman for Yost, said the attorney general has 30 days to review the "very long, complicated decision" and decide whether to appeal.
The lead plaintiff in the case, Planned Parenthood affiliate Preterm-Cleveland, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Lauren Blauvelt, executive director of Planned Parenthood Advocates of Ohio, said the decision highlighted the importance of securing abortion rights through a ballot initiative.
"Ohioans are reassured that they have a critical safeguard through our courts against anti-abortion lawmakers," Blauvelt said in a statement.
The 2019 law banned abortion once a fetal heartbeat is detected, typically around six weeks, which is before many women know they are pregnant. It included exceptions for preventing death or serious injury to the mother, but not for rape or incest.
The Ohio Supreme Court allowed the law to take effect in July 2022 after the U.S. Supreme Court reversed Roe v. Wade. Ohio's law drew national attention later that month when a 10-year-old rape victim was forced to travel to Indiana to get an abortion.
After Preterm-Cleveland and other plaintiffs sued to strike down the law, Jenkins in September 2022 blocked it pending the outcome of the case.
Reuters
Ohio judge blocks 'heartbeat' abortion ban, criticizes Republican attorney general
Daniel Wiessner
Thu, October 24, 2024 at 6:18 PM EDT3 min read
(Reuters) - An Ohio judge permanently struck down the state's ban on abortion after about six weeks on Thursday and criticized its Republican attorney general for attempting to circumvent the will of Ohioans who voted to enshrine abortion protections in the state constitution.
Judge Christian Jenkins of the Hamilton County Court of Common Pleas in Cincinnati said the Republican-backed 2019 state law would interfere with women's ability to receive abortions and discourage doctors from performing them, in violation of a constitutional amendment approved by voters last year.
The office of Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost, a Republican, acknowledged that the ban itself could not stand in light of the ballot initiative, but had argued that 14 other provisions of the state law should be upheld.
Those included requirements to have doctors check for fetal heartbeats before performing abortions, inform patients seeking abortions when their fetuses are viable, and have patients wait 24 hours after seeing a doctor before undergoing an abortion.
Jenkins said those provisions were unconstitutional because the ballot measure's broad wording prohibits any burden on the ability to exercise the right to have an abortion.
He noted that when the U.S. Supreme Court in 2022 overruled its landmark Roe v. Wade precedent that had guaranteed abortion rights nationwide, it said it was returning the issue of abortion to individual states and that "women are not without electoral or political power."
"Ohio's Attorney General evidently didn't get the memo," wrote Jenkins, a Democrat who was elected to his post in 2021. "Unlike the Ohio Attorney General, this court will uphold the Ohio Constitution's protection of abortion rights."
Bethany McCorkle, a spokeswoman for Yost, said the attorney general has 30 days to review the "very long, complicated decision" and decide whether to appeal.
The lead plaintiff in the case, Planned Parenthood affiliate Preterm-Cleveland, did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
Lauren Blauvelt, executive director of Planned Parenthood Advocates of Ohio, said the decision highlighted the importance of securing abortion rights through a ballot initiative.
"Ohioans are reassured that they have a critical safeguard through our courts against anti-abortion lawmakers," Blauvelt said in a statement.
The 2019 law banned abortion once a fetal heartbeat is detected, typically around six weeks, which is before many women know they are pregnant. It included exceptions for preventing death or serious injury to the mother, but not for rape or incest.
The Ohio Supreme Court allowed the law to take effect in July 2022 after the U.S. Supreme Court reversed Roe v. Wade. Ohio's law drew national attention later that month when a 10-year-old rape victim was forced to travel to Indiana to get an abortion.
After Preterm-Cleveland and other plaintiffs sued to strike down the law, Jenkins in September 2022 blocked it pending the outcome of the case.
Stirred not Shaken
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2 wrongs don't make a right this is not multiplication.
Stirred not Shaken
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Never been to Mercer Co. have you.
said_aouita
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Gamma Gobbler
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When considering the exceptions of rape or incest:
Rape is a crime and therefore a punishable act when the accused is found guilty in a court of law...not by accusations. Unfortunately, the criminal justice system probably would not be able to act within the gestion period for the victim of a convicted rapist to obtain an abortion. Therefore, one can claim rape but in fact there may not be in a rapist.
Incest is a crime between two consenting adults in 48 states, sans NJ and RI. If claiming incest in one of the 48 states, the accuser would be self-incriminating of a crime to obtain an abortion. I'm sure there is a whole lot of constitution stuff to be considered in that matter. Again, the adjudication of the crime would probably take longer than the gestion period and there are in fact be two consenting criminals. If nonconsensual, then see the rape comment. Then there is what degree of kinship defines incest, states can vary. If a minor is involved again, the validity of the crime again would need to be.... Finally, with incest being legal in NJ and RI, is it cause for an abortion for an act not deemed criminal.
I understand those wanting to federally codify abortion but, in the process, the federal government could remove certain states' rights to self-govern.
Rape is a crime and therefore a punishable act when the accused is found guilty in a court of law...not by accusations. Unfortunately, the criminal justice system probably would not be able to act within the gestion period for the victim of a convicted rapist to obtain an abortion. Therefore, one can claim rape but in fact there may not be in a rapist.
Incest is a crime between two consenting adults in 48 states, sans NJ and RI. If claiming incest in one of the 48 states, the accuser would be self-incriminating of a crime to obtain an abortion. I'm sure there is a whole lot of constitution stuff to be considered in that matter. Again, the adjudication of the crime would probably take longer than the gestion period and there are in fact be two consenting criminals. If nonconsensual, then see the rape comment. Then there is what degree of kinship defines incest, states can vary. If a minor is involved again, the validity of the crime again would need to be.... Finally, with incest being legal in NJ and RI, is it cause for an abortion for an act not deemed criminal.
I understand those wanting to federally codify abortion but, in the process, the federal government could remove certain states' rights to self-govern.
BGFalcons82
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Stirred not Shaken
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The wrong is the rape and killing the baby is another wrong.
psycho_dad
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In the United States, a fetus is legally considered a person when it is born.
Some states have passed fetal personhood laws that define a fetus as a person at different stages of development.
winbypin
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Does clinging to a legal definition help you feel better about stopping a human life?
Gamma Gobbler
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"Physicians and their scientific colleagues have regarded that event with less interest and have tended to focus either upon conception, upon live birth, or upon the interim point at which the fetus becomes "viable," that is, potentially able to live outside the mother's womb, albeit with artificial aid. Viability is usually placed at about seven months (28 weeks) but may occur earlier, even at 24 weeks. SCOTUS Justice Blackmun, 1973.
I don't know where you are getting your "legal" definition of a person from but even RvW establishes, "Personhood emerges around the time of viability at approximately 6 months..."
Additionally, "persons" in the "legal" and as defined in many codes of federal regulations world can include; corporations, institutions, partnerships, companies, associations or societies. Would those aforementioned entities require birth in order to be considered a person?
psycho_dad
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You have no problem supporting a rapist strictly by clinging to a legal definition. There are valid reasons for some abortions. Life saving reasons. I support working to lessen abortions as much as possible. There are necessary reasons for abortions. No exceptions is wrong.
winbypin
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I do?
Yes. But those valid reasons are not close to being the main reason abortions happen.
Good. Such as?
Yes. Already commented on that.
Most people are fine with some exceptions, especially when the mothers life is in danger.
BlackandGold
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Voters appear ready to reject Arizona’s abortion ‘compromise’
Arizonans are poised to handily reject the 15-week ban and add abortion protections to their state constitution, just as voters did in Michigan, Ohio and other red and purple states while facing six-week and near-total bans.Loading…
www.politico.com
cabezadecaballo
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amniocentesis would identify theseIncest and Genetic Disorders | CPTSDfoundation.org
cptsdfoundation.org
Hope this helps.
Then perhaps your argument would have bigger teeth.....the better to kill with, my dear....
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I don't believe your accurate on your accusations but lets say you are so tell me how being against the exceptions in the case of rape/incest must mean the GOP supports rape and incest?
said_aouita
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By forcing a women to carry out pregnancies caused by....
SayMyName
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Lol, well said.
cabezadecaballo
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Can you provide a link that shows what states refuse abortions for victims of rape or incest ?
I think you’re every bit as much the liar and gaslighter that every other Democrat that’s talking “Project 2025!!” and a national abortion ban. Until you produce something that shows your claim is real, I’m left simply dismissing you (and your silly thread) as a liar, because my experience with you is that you are a shameless liar, said_wut?!
Why are you asking a question that is simply a variation on a discredited democrat talking point? Is this the new marching order you people have been given? The fact is that a majority of republicans favor exemptions for the victims of rape/incest.
Gamma Gobbler
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Of the 50 United States, oddly incest is legal in NJ (no criminal prosecution for 18+) and RI (no criminal prosecution for 16+)...These are demoHate states, right?Can you provide a link that shows what states refuse abortions for victims of rape or incest ?
I think you’re every bit as much the liar and gaslighter that every other Democrat that’s talking “Project 2025!!” and a national abortion ban. Until you produce something that shows your claim is real, I’m left simply dismissing you (and your silly thread) as a liar, because my experience with you is that you are a shameless liar, said_wut?!
oxat622
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A human life is terminated.
Oh..so it is is a baby...
oxat622
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The impasse is that Irvin claims I don't value the life of the fetus/baby/cells whatever you want to call them. I'm claiming he does not value the life of the rape victim. We are using the same logical grounds for our positions and neither of us are going to back down from those grounds. That's the impasse.
Does the rape victim die at any point?
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oxat622
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No.
oxat622
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Is every fetus guaranteed to live?
No..but every baby is guarenteed to die if you abort it.
oxat622
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Alright then, tap out.