NCAA Proposes New Division I

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NCAA President Charlie Baker calls for new tier of Division I where schools can pay athletes

NCAA President Charlie Baker says he wants the association to create a new tier of Division I athletics where highly resourced schools would be required to offer at least half their athletes a payment of at least $30,000 per year.
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This proposal addresses the reality of pay for play at major schools and would allow the schools to direct pay their athletes allow them to formulate their own rules within the new division.

That and it would be the next logical step in leveling the playing field for the big boys. The question is how many Power 5 programs would opt out. I do not see the current P5 bottom dwellers trying to spend on the level of OSU, ND, or Bama.
 
 
So looking at college football through the lens of the NFL...

DIVISION A (16 teams)
Alabama
Auburn
Clemson
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
LSU
Miami FL
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Division B (16 teams)
Iowa
Kentucky
Louisville
Michigan
Michigan St
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Carolina St
Ohio State
Oregon
Penn St
Pittsburgh
UCLA
USC
Washington
Wisconsin
 
As written, This would significantly hurt men's sports except basketball and football, which already subsidize the rest of athletic departments. There are already extra women's sports to cover the difference created by football scholarships. Now you would have to cover an extra ~$25k per athlete. Almost all of these athletic departments are subsidized by students fees and lose money as is, it will be a lot easier to just get rid of the cost of mens sports than find the extra money to cover the additional cost of the women's sports this would require.
 
LCL said:
So looking at college football through the lens of the NFL...

DIVISION A (16 teams)
Alabama
Auburn
Clemson
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
LSU
Miami FL
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Division B (16 teams)
Iowa
Kentucky
Louisville
Michigan
Michigan St
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Carolina St
Ohio State
Oregon
Penn St
Pittsburgh
UCLA
USC
Washington
Wisconsin
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Where’s Notre Dame?
 
Tardis said:
As written, This would significantly hurt men's sports except basketball and football, which already subsidize the rest of athletic departments. There are already extra women's sports to cover the difference created by football scholarships. Now you would have to cover an extra ~$25k per athlete. Almost all of these athletic departments are subsidized by students fees and lose money as is, it will be a lot easier to just get rid of the cost of mens sports than find the extra money to cover the additional cost of the women's sports this would require.
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Get rid of the Title IX requirements to balance men’s and women’s scholarships and the problem is solved. Football and men’s basketball are profitable and can compete as scholarship sports, while the rest can exist as club sports where most games/meets/events are against local schools. That was the original concept of college athletics anyway.
 
LCL said:
So looking at college football through the lens of the NFL...

DIVISION A (16 teams)
Alabama
Auburn
Clemson
Florida
Florida State
Georgia
Georgia Tech
LSU
Miami FL
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St
Ole Miss
Tennessee
Texas
Texas A&M
Texas Tech

Division B (16 teams)
Iowa
Kentucky
Louisville
Michigan
Michigan St
Nebraska
North Carolina
North Carolina St
Ohio State
Oregon
Penn St
Pittsburgh
UCLA
USC
Washington
Wisconsin
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I think you can nix GT. They just don’t have the fan support or historical significance to compete at this level. There’s your place for ND!
 
cjb5656 said:
Get rid of the Title IX requirements to balance men’s and women’s scholarships and the problem is solved. Football and men’s basketball are profitable and can compete as scholarship sports, while the rest can exist as club sports where most games/meets/events are against local schools. That was the original concept of college athletics anyway.
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Title IX is going to be problem. Do the football super schools simply do away with football scholarships and move to an actual employer - employee relationship leaving the existing scholarship and Title IX structure intact for the other sports? However it shakes out, the proposal signals the end of the NCAA's pretense of amatuerism .
 
NFL Developmental League. The major programs are basically already there, but this will make it official.
 
Omega said:
Title IX is going to be problem. Do the football super schools simply do away with football scholarships and move to an actual employer - employee relationship leaving the existing scholarship and Title IX structure intact for the other sports? However it shakes out, the proposal signals the end of the NCAA's pretense of amatuerism .
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NIL isn't balanced now. How long before they are forced to do that?
 
AEW Champion said:
Where’s Notre Dame?
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WHY are there TEN powers in group A, while there are FIVE in Group B? Yet another case of Northern bias.
Omega said:
Title IX is going to be problem. Do the football super schools simply do away with football scholarships and move to an actual employer - employee relationship leaving the existing scholarship and Title IX structure intact for the other sports? However it shakes out, the proposal signals the end of the NCAA's pretense of amatuerism .
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SWGA Fan said:
Crappy lil Miami, Fla., gave Colquitt's Ny Carr, $33,000 a MONTH to sign with the Canes over UGA!
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I don't think stuff like this is sustainable over the long-term IMO.

Sooner than later the blank checks at some of these schools like Miami are going to bounce, particularly if the on-field results don't match the lofty financial promises made by a few donors/boosters.
 
nwwarrior09 said:
I don't think stuff like this is sustainable over the long-term IMO.

Sooner than later the blank checks at some of these schools like Miami are going to bounce, particularly if the on-field results don't match the lofty financial promises made by a few donors/boosters.
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I hear you, but never underestimate the willingness of mega rich fan boys to throw money away to gain access / influence with their favorite CFB program. Ego > return on investment.
 
nwwarrior09 said:
I don't think stuff like this is sustainable over the long-term IMO.

Sooner than later the blank checks at some of these schools like Miami are going to bounce, particularly if the on-field results don't match the lofty financial promises made by a few donors/boosters.
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When the cable model fails, it will all come crashing down.
 
Omega said:
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NCAA President Charlie Baker calls for new tier of Division I where schools can pay athletes

NCAA President Charlie Baker says he wants the association to create a new tier of Division I athletics where highly resourced schools would be required to offer at least half their athletes a payment of at least $30,000 per year.
apnews.com apnews.com

This proposal addresses the reality of pay for play at major schools and would allow the schools to direct pay their athletes allow them to formulate their own rules within the new division.

That and it would be the next logical step in leveling the playing field for the big boys. The question is how many Power 5 programs would opt out. I do not see the current P5 bottom dwellers trying to spend on the level of OSU, ND, or Bama.
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This may be the most forward thinking, common sense thought from the NCAA in decades. It's crazy to think that all D1 school play in the same rules because they are so much different. And finally you can make the top D1 schools play each other so we get a true national champion. The week to week matchups would be better on all levels.
 
Heard an interesting take on why this is moving forward at this point, primarily because they want to get pro sports like anti-trust exemption through Congress. This really moves college sports to a more pro like model. Also expect many smaller "chopped up" sub divisions under the NCAA banner. The brainiac schools like Vandy, Northwestern, Stanford creates their own classification. State schools with limited resources like the HBCUs and Compass schools start their own. Could be the best thing in the long run.
 
cjb5656 said:
Get rid of the Title IX requirements to balance men’s and women’s scholarships and the problem is solved. Football and men’s basketball are profitable and can compete as scholarship sports, while the rest can exist as club sports where most games/meets/events are against local schools. That was the original concept of college athletics anyway.
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No, we need to load the OSU Women’s field hockey team on a flight to SoCal every year, where 40 people will watch them play.

But don’t worry, your non athlete kid’s tuition won’t go up as we pay athletes directly.

And even if it does, just have them take out a bigger loan from the Federal Government.
 
OldSoulon said:
No, we need to load the OSU Women’s field hockey team on a flight to SoCal every year, where 40 people will watch them play.

But don’t worry, your non athlete kid’s tuition won’t go up as we pay athletes directly.

And even if it does, just have them take out a bigger loan from the Federal Government.
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Haha! Forty? I just saw a pic on Twitter of a girl’s basketball game in a large Cleveland suburb. It was of the bench area and you could see the stands in the background. There was literally less than ten people in the stands for a local event.
 
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