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Cutino was good too. Moeller's midfield was the difference tonight.
St_X06
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Chad had 2 goals tonight that I saw in the first half.
Laxplayer11
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On the topic of Carroll: yes, he is a good player, and from what I've heard, he did fine tonight. Even if he did have a bad game, I wouldn't hold it against him, as every player has a bad showing every now and then no matter how good they are.
As for Bowman, I basically heard that he owned the second half.
Mason Comets
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It was a great game. X's goalie was tremendous in the 1st half. Many great saves. I agree, Bowman was the difference maker in the 2nd. Easy to see why he is going D1.
eastcoast2
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what are you talking about?
Mason Comets
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They are. But since they were in town for a tournament, I would think they would want to see two of the better HS teams in the area, if they had the chance.
x only played one line deep at mid the entire game which accounted for much of the momentum loss in the second half, as the moeller mids were simply fresher and faster.
bowman was very good, but hardly owned the 2nd half. moe as a whole just played fast and disciplined. they controlled the tempo 2nd half.
chad carroll's first goal was soaking wet.
x's goalie was very impressive. the d was suspect and part of that was coaching decisions.
7 and 27 for moe were beyond classless.
bowman was very good, but hardly owned the 2nd half. moe as a whole just played fast and disciplined. they controlled the tempo 2nd half.
chad carroll's first goal was soaking wet.
x's goalie was very impressive. the d was suspect and part of that was coaching decisions.
7 and 27 for moe were beyond classless.
I remember seeing Holbrook numerous times, did he get promoted to first line?
I'm curious, what specific coaching decisions are you referring to? What should they have done differently?
Mason Comets
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BL. Good for Carroll. UM is a great school. I would think that there may have been more reasons than that. I sat with them at Pitt/Central Michigan game on Friday. They said they were going to the game and no mention was made of Chad.
Regardless, they saw a good game.
Taunting?
Anyone sitting with another ref would hopefully have seen LOTs of flags that were not thrown at last nights game. Post goal emotions were high for both teams and while there may have been some celebration on the Moeller side there were a number of post goal shoves and late hits by St. X. None were called so no harm no foul.
Lack of push from behind calls however was laughable. There were several jolts out of bounds that simply were awarded possession to the pushing team and likewise on some dubious crease violations. At several points, the ball was kept in play by refs who not only couldn't move out of it's way but didn't even see it coming. For second time this season, an illegal stick was also returned to the game after equipment penalty was served...Hopefully there will be some improvement as playoffs begin.
Saying any one player owned either half of this game is also laughable. St. X as a team owned the first half. They won nearly every face off, dominated ground balls and played much more inspired defense keeping Moe's offense almost completely in check. A huge part of that was St. X keeper (Littel?) who stopped almost everything that came his way.
Second half was exactly the opposite. Bowmen made some outstanding shots to help Moe get going but also missed 5-10 in the second half. Moe's scoring second half was well spread with attack getting 2-3 goals each. More important, Moe started winning face offs, ground balls and their defense denied X any crease shots or easy looks for the entire second half. Moe's goalie (Huster) also had a great second half.
Net... a great game by both teams and exciting to watch. Playoff rematch should also be exciting unless Moe can come out and play 2 halves like they did in the second in this one!
Anyone sitting with another ref would hopefully have seen LOTs of flags that were not thrown at last nights game. Post goal emotions were high for both teams and while there may have been some celebration on the Moeller side there were a number of post goal shoves and late hits by St. X. None were called so no harm no foul.
Lack of push from behind calls however was laughable. There were several jolts out of bounds that simply were awarded possession to the pushing team and likewise on some dubious crease violations. At several points, the ball was kept in play by refs who not only couldn't move out of it's way but didn't even see it coming. For second time this season, an illegal stick was also returned to the game after equipment penalty was served...Hopefully there will be some improvement as playoffs begin.
Saying any one player owned either half of this game is also laughable. St. X as a team owned the first half. They won nearly every face off, dominated ground balls and played much more inspired defense keeping Moe's offense almost completely in check. A huge part of that was St. X keeper (Littel?) who stopped almost everything that came his way.
Second half was exactly the opposite. Bowmen made some outstanding shots to help Moe get going but also missed 5-10 in the second half. Moe's scoring second half was well spread with attack getting 2-3 goals each. More important, Moe started winning face offs, ground balls and their defense denied X any crease shots or easy looks for the entire second half. Moe's goalie (Huster) also had a great second half.
Net... a great game by both teams and exciting to watch. Playoff rematch should also be exciting unless Moe can come out and play 2 halves like they did in the second in this one!
Laxplayer11
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I just watched the game, and here's my thoughts:
St. X clearly came to play in the 1st half, as many have stated. X's middies and attack were doing text-book lacrosse plays and just putting the ball in the net. X's defense worked very well as a unit, and was able to shut downs Moe's potent offense.
This whole "Moeller didn't play well the 1st half" talk is rubbish, to be honest. They played on the same level the whole game. It was X who took a dip in their playing ability, and made very simple mistakes to let Moe come back and win.
I was told by friends that Bowman had dominated completley; this also was not entirely true. He did play very, very well, but he was more of a crutch that Moeller leaned on to get things done throughout the game, which makes sense seeing as how he is dubbed their "work-horse". He missed quite a few shots, made a few small mistakes, but for the most part, had a very strong game.
On the topic of #7 and #27 acting without class, I didn't really see anything from #7, but #27 should've had a flag thrown on him after he picked up the ball that X's goalie dropped and put it in. Jumping up and down is one thing, but getting up in the opponent goalie's face while doing it is another.
Chad didn't have a bad game at all. His first goal was incredible, and his second was just as good.
St. X clearly came to play in the 1st half, as many have stated. X's middies and attack were doing text-book lacrosse plays and just putting the ball in the net. X's defense worked very well as a unit, and was able to shut downs Moe's potent offense.
This whole "Moeller didn't play well the 1st half" talk is rubbish, to be honest. They played on the same level the whole game. It was X who took a dip in their playing ability, and made very simple mistakes to let Moe come back and win.
I was told by friends that Bowman had dominated completley; this also was not entirely true. He did play very, very well, but he was more of a crutch that Moeller leaned on to get things done throughout the game, which makes sense seeing as how he is dubbed their "work-horse". He missed quite a few shots, made a few small mistakes, but for the most part, had a very strong game.
On the topic of #7 and #27 acting without class, I didn't really see anything from #7, but #27 should've had a flag thrown on him after he picked up the ball that X's goalie dropped and put it in. Jumping up and down is one thing, but getting up in the opponent goalie's face while doing it is another.
Chad didn't have a bad game at all. His first goal was incredible, and his second was just as good.
St_X06
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As an X fan I can honestly say I did not have any problems with the officiating. This is St.X vs. Moeller, emotions are going to run high and the post goal celebrations are going to be a bit excessive in key moments in the game. That's fine, the refs knew the importance of this game for both teams and for the most part let them play which made it a great game.
Chad didn't do bad at all. A 2 goal performance is never anything to be disappointed with. I played with him for the last 2 years and I saw a lot of improvement in him in that game than the last 2 years.
X took it to Moe in the first half but then got too comfortable and allowed Moeller to steal this one from them. It should make the playoff game between them (if it happens) that much more interesting.
Chad didn't do bad at all. A 2 goal performance is never anything to be disappointed with. I played with him for the last 2 years and I saw a lot of improvement in him in that game than the last 2 years.
X took it to Moe in the first half but then got too comfortable and allowed Moeller to steal this one from them. It should make the playoff game between them (if it happens) that much more interesting.
crusader0443
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I was impressed by st. x's attack personally, it seemed like they had alot of talent but in the second half game they just couldnt put it together. I think that in the playoffs it will make another great game.
I am also impressed by Moeller's team in general, if x would have gotten up on Moeller last year 7-2, Moeller would have folded. This game tells that Moeller is just a different team this year, alot more leadership on the field by the seniors. Congrats
I am also impressed by Moeller's team in general, if x would have gotten up on Moeller last year 7-2, Moeller would have folded. This game tells that Moeller is just a different team this year, alot more leadership on the field by the seniors. Congrats
you cited one of the main reasons for my comment about #27 and the main issue with #7 was when he intentionally threw the ball at #2 from X after the ball was out of play and X was awarded possesion, which occurred within the last few minutes of the game.
This is a little bit ridiculous arguing about class in a moeller vs. X game. There is going to be some trash talking, some cheap hits, and yes even a little bit of taunting in a game of this magnitude. I actually thought it was relatively clean or at least equal on both sides. But if you want to point out specific plays than it goes both ways. The two main plays that are being talked about are when #27 stole the clear pass from Xs goalie and scored and then "taunted" goalie afterwards and #7 throwing the ball at Salinger at a change of possession. Personally, I saw #27 get hit extremely high from the side by #20 well after the shot. I was surprised he didn't act physically after getting a cheap shot like that and was very surprised it wasn't called. And for #7's play... there was under 2 minutes left to go and he was clearly being pushed out of the box. He was giving up and letting his momentum carry him out which would have given X the ball when Salinger wrapped checked him in the back and then proceeded to push in the back twice and almost out of bounds after he was outside of the box. He barely tossed the ball back at Salinger and I'm sure Salinger's feelings weren't hurt. So don't point out "classless" play when it works both ways and in X's case they could have really hurt Moe's players. It was a physical game and both teams were really emotionally involved. Class shouldn't be a discussion after the game that i saw. The players shook hands and talked afterwards. I look forward to a possible playoff rematch.
Amen...
Well said franchise. In some further discussion and looking back at some tape it was clear that both actions were "provoked" by either some physical or verbal actions which could also have been called.
If you are not on the field to hear the comments of players to each other then you are not in a good position to review their reactions unless someone does something flagrant.
I also understand the language from the St. X sidelines (parents:Ohno: ) was a bit overzealous so perhaps look in the mirror before you cast stones.
Well said franchise. In some further discussion and looking back at some tape it was clear that both actions were "provoked" by either some physical or verbal actions which could also have been called.
If you are not on the field to hear the comments of players to each other then you are not in a good position to review their reactions unless someone does something flagrant.
I also understand the language from the St. X sidelines (parents:Ohno: ) was a bit overzealous so perhaps look in the mirror before you cast stones.
St_X06
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I was sitting in X's parents section and nothing was said that was any worse than things coming out of Moe's (I went to visit a friend over their in the 1st half). Why are we surprised that tensions were high in this game? It's St. X vs. Moeller people this is the lacrosse game of the year in Cincy.
Everybody looks horrible against St. X's JV. Those guys are awesome this year. What are they, 12-0 or something like that? Nobody's even coming close to them, except I think they only beat Sycamore 9-7.
Bodes well for the varsity's future.
inthebleachers
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And Moeller JV has improved...
They have quite a few kids on the team who have never played before. St X has two developmental teams for those kids...I doubt there is one kid on the St. X JV who has never played. I actually thought Moe's JV hung in there against St. X...I realize that X did some subbing but if you had seen the Crusader JV's play earlier, you'd realize the improvement they've made.
They have quite a few kids on the team who have never played before. St X has two developmental teams for those kids...I doubt there is one kid on the St. X JV who has never played. I actually thought Moe's JV hung in there against St. X...I realize that X did some subbing but if you had seen the Crusader JV's play earlier, you'd realize the improvement they've made.
There is no doubt Moeller JV's have gotten better. St. X JV played them in the preseason St. Patty's Day tournament at Turpin and spanked them 12-1.
Maybe it's a logistical issue, with fields a problem there?
inthebleachers
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At Turpin...
They literally played kids who couldn't get a ground ball, couldn't catch, couldn't pass...it was bad. A tough part early on was that they knew they were a young team and didn't have a lot of confidence. They've gotten better as the year has progressed and they were able to pick up a win over Lakota West on Tuesday night.
They literally played kids who couldn't get a ground ball, couldn't catch, couldn't pass...it was bad. A tough part early on was that they knew they were a young team and didn't have a lot of confidence. They've gotten better as the year has progressed and they were able to pick up a win over Lakota West on Tuesday night.
I believe that this is one of the consequences of dropping the freshman team when Kennedy took over the coaching position. New players cannot get the experience they need to play at a higher level. Also some marginal players, coming out of the middle school team, do not even tryout. A year on a freshman team could have made a big difference.