Lamar Jackson

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Apparently he asked for a trade March 2nd and its just now being made public by him. Personally, I dont know where I'd rank him in the league right now. He might be around the Kyler Murray level or maybe Deshaun Watson level. Despite having the non-exclusive tag, it seems teams were unwilling to compensate two 1st round draft picks and thats why he felt it was necessary to ask for a trade. So it seems the league doesnt think hes worth two first round picks.

Maybe Baltimore ships him somewhere they can pick up a QB high in the draft, i.e. Atlanta, Indianapolis, or New Orleans. A team like that is going to have to really like him to give up a pick like that.

Teams that are QB needy high in the draft are going to have to weigh whether they like Jackson more than Young, Richardson or Levis, provided Stroud goes #1.

So, what direction do you see the heading.
 
 
I think his mom is his agent. I wouldn’t be surprised if he sits out the season. More realistically a few QBs get injured and someone bites the bullet and offers a big contract at some point during the season.

I’m not really up on all the rules and ramifications of contracts and salary caps. If it’s feasible there will be a team that will sign Lamar.
 
LCL said:
Apparently he asked for a trade March 2nd and its just now being made public by him. Personally, I dont know where I'd rank him in the league right now. He might be around the Kyler Murray level or maybe Deshaun Watson level. Despite having the non-exclusive tag, it seems teams were unwilling to compensate two 1st round draft picks and thats why he felt it was necessary to ask for a trade. So it seems the league doesnt think hes worth two first round picks.

Maybe Baltimore ships him somewhere they can pick up a QB high in the draft, i.e. Atlanta, Indianapolis, or New Orleans. A team like that is going to have to really like him to give up a pick like that.

Teams that are QB needy high in the draft are going to have to weigh whether they like Jackson more than Young, Richardson or Levis, provided Stroud goes #1.

So, what direction do you see the heading.
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Bears:
The 9th pick isn't getting them a QB.

The Bears can recover some draft capital by trading Fields.
 
Irwin20 said:
I think his mom is his agent. I wouldn’t be surprised if he sits out the season. More realistically a few QBs get injured and someone bites the bullet and offers a big contract at some point during the season.

I’m not really up on all the rules and ramifications of contracts and salary caps. If it’s feasible there will be a team that will sign Lamar.
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Wait until after the draft to sign an offer sheet if you're a team like the Bears. If you win with Jackson then the picks won't be as high next year.
 
I don’t believe the narrative that no teams want to give up two 1st round picks for him … I believe that no one really believes that Baltimore will not match the offer unless the offer is ridiculous … so what would a team get by signing him to an offer sheet … either nothing (Baltimore matches the offer) and could possibly upset their current QB … or a QB who you gave a ridiculous contract and two first round draft picks for … seems like a lose-lose situation.
 
Frankly, I'm tired of this talk about the primma donna QB's. Aaron Rodgers, now Lamar. Honestly, I don't think you win with either one because they are not there for the team. Rodgers must have got Covid in his brain because in about 5 years he's gone from being franchise guy, standup QB and respected leader to the opposite. He's constantly whining about something and his play hasn't backed his words.
Lamar Jackson? Who does he think he is?? He was an anomaly when he came into the league because we'd never seen a runner like that at his size. But the league caught up, he can't throw the deep sideline balls and now he's getting dinged up. The Ravens offered him a great contract, but in some of these guys minds, they just can't be well paid, they have to be the best paid?? He's either going to have to put his tail between his legs and crawl back to the Ravens or retire. No one's giving the Ravens what they are asking for him. He's not that good.
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
Credit to Andrew Berry, Jimmy Haslam and Paul Depodesta.
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Yep, as usual the Browns were playing chess when everyone else is playing checkers. Browns knew Lamar was the next big name QB up for re-signing. By dramatically over-spending guaranteed money for Watson, they got their franchise QB and chased another MVP QB out of the division.

Is there another organization smarter than the Browns?

ps. This is sarcasm.
 
LCL said:
Apparently he asked for a trade March 2nd and its just now being made public by him. Personally, I dont know where I'd rank him in the league right now. He might be around the Kyler Murray level or maybe Deshaun Watson level. Despite having the non-exclusive tag, it seems teams were unwilling to compensate two 1st round draft picks and thats why he felt it was necessary to ask for a trade. So it seems the league doesnt think hes worth two first round picks.
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Considering Jackson's injury history the last two seasons, his drop in production since his 2019 MVP year and his poor performance in the playoffs I would take any of these QB's over Lamar Jackson:

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Herbert
Hurtz
Lawrence
Stafford

And you're spot on highlighting Murray & Watson as what would befall any team that paid Jackson what he wants and gave up premium draft capital. IMO both Murray & Watson will be a major drag on the Cards & Browns for years to come.

In contrast check out the team friendly deals Mahomes & Allen gave their teams. My guess is that Hurtz, Burrow and Herbert will follow in the footsteps of Mahomes/Allen rather then Murray & Watson. And their teams will be much better off as a result.
 
wolves82 said:
Yep, as usual the Browns were playing chess when everyone else is playing checkers. Browns knew Lamar was the next big name QB up for re-signing. By dramatically over-spending guaranteed money for Watson, they got their franchise QB and chased another MVP QB out of the division.

Is there another organization smarter than the Browns?

ps. This is sarcasm.
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Do not forget that the Browns did not know Mike Brown, the poorest owner in the league, will have to lock up any guaranteed money in Joe Burrow's upcoming contract extension into an escrow account.

Mike Brown will do this, but the Bengals will struggle to offer any free agents guaranteed money due to a liquidity crunch.

Jimmy Haslam is not the wealthiest owner in the league but he is possibly the most liquid. This is, of course, just a coincidence.
 
14Red said:
Frankly, I'm tired of this talk about the primma donna QB's. Aaron Rodgers, now Lamar. Honestly, I don't think you win with either one because they are not there for the team. Rodgers must have got Covid in his brain because in about 5 years he's gone from being franchise guy, standup QB and respected leader to the opposite. He's constantly whining about something and his play hasn't backed his words.
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He's been the league MVP 2 of the last 3 seasons.
14Red said:
Lamar Jackson? Who does he think he is?? He was an anomaly when he came into the league because we'd never seen a runner like that at his size. But the league caught up, he can't throw the deep sideline balls and now he's getting dinged up. The Ravens offered him a great contract, but in some of these guys minds, they just can't be well paid, they have to be the best paid?? He's either going to have to put his tail between his legs and crawl back to the Ravens or retire. No one's giving the Ravens what they are asking for him. He's not that good.
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lmao

He's been an MVP and he's something like top 3 in wins in his time in the league.

He's not a out to retire. He will get paid by someone either this year or next.
 
lotr10 said:
Considering Jackson's injury history the last two seasons, his drop in production since his 2019 MVP year and his poor performance in the playoffs I would take any of these QB's over Lamar Jackson:

Mahomes
Allen
Burrow
Herbert
Hurtz
Lawrence
Stafford
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Which of their teams is looking to replace these guys?
Maybe Stafford...

Since their teams aren't looking to take Lamar over them your post is pretty silly.

There are however at keast 20 teams whose QB isn't as good as Lamar.
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And you're spot on highlighting Murray & Watson as what would befall any team that paid Jackson what he wants and gave up premium draft capital. IMO both Murray & Watson will be a major drag on the Cards & Browns for years to come.

In contrast check out the team friendly deals Mahomes & Allen gave their teams. My guess is that Hurtz, Burrow and Herbert will follow in the footsteps of Mahomes/Allen rather then Murray & Watson. And their teams will be much better off as a result.
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This I can agree with.
 
OhioBobcatFan06 said:
Do not forget that the Browns did not know Mike Brown, the poorest owner in the league, will have to lock up any guaranteed money in Joe Burrow's upcoming contract extension into an escrow account.

Mike Brown will do this, but the Bengals will struggle to offer any free agents guaranteed money due to a liquidity crunch.

Jimmy Haslam is not the wealthiest owner in the league but he is possibly the most liquid. This is, of course, just a coincidence.
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You mean like Orlando Brown and his 30M signing bonus?
You're right, the Bengals didn't have to put that money in an escrow account. They paid him directly.
 
Indiandad said:
Which of their teams is looking to replace these guys?
Maybe Stafford...

Since their teams aren't looking to take Lamar over them your post is pretty silly.

There are however at keast 20 teams whose QB isn't as good as Lamar.

This I can agree with.
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I guess I didn't express myself clearly here. My point wasn't that these teams were considering swapping out their QB for Lamar rather that these were QB's I would take over Jackson, all of whom are paid less money then Jackson is supposedly asking for.

I get that desperation is a real thing but if I was a fan of the 20 teams that had QB's not as good as Jackson I would still not want them to pay Jackson the money he's asking for. It's way to high given where Jackson stands relative to the other top QB's in the NFL.
 
Indiandad said:
You mean like Orlando Brown and his 30M signing bonus?
You're right, the Bengals didn't have to put that money in an escrow account. They paid him directly.
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And it wouldn't surprise me if the Bengals and Burrow's agent didn't discuss the Brown signing ahead of time. I would be surprised if before the Bengals committed 30 million dollars to Brown they were given at least the parameters of the guaranteed money Burrow would be seeking. I believe Burrow will follow in the steps of Mahomes & Allen and give the Bengals a very team friendly deal.
 
Arthur Blank made some interesting comments about Lamar in an article I read today referencing his style of play and its contribution to his probability of injury. It is telling that the Falcons were in on Watson but are not in on Lamar.

As for Lamar being a prima donna, he's just out trying to get the most money he can. I don't begrudge him that. He's just finding out his value in a hard way.

The Jets-Packers stalemate for Rodgers is amusing. The Jets, being the Jets, go out and get him some of his favorite players and an OC he likes and completely give away their bargaining power in doing so. Talk about putting the cart before the horse.
 
I think Lamar Jackson is the most underrated QB in the league. Top ten player at his position, arguably top five now that Brady retired. The Ravens will finish last in the AFC North if he is traded.

I'd take Mahomes, Burrow, Allen and Herbert over Jackson, but that's it. Would much rather have Lamar than Deshaun Watson.

Indianapolis, Washington and Atlanta would all instantly be in contention for the playoffs if they can swing a deal for Jackson.
 
With the Ravens signing OBJ for up to $18 mil. for one year maybe Lamar should consider pursuing his second career whatever that turns out to be.
 
Bull GreenDog said:
I think Lamar Jackson is the most underrated QB in the league. Top ten player at his position, arguably top five now that Brady retired. The Ravens will finish last in the AFC North if he is traded.

I'd take Mahomes, Burrow, Allen and Herbert over Jackson, but that's it. Would much rather have Lamar than Deshaun Watson.

Indianapolis, Washington and Atlanta would all instantly be in contention for the playoffs if they can swing a deal for Jackson.
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Well, Watson is certainly more likely to finish a season. Lamar is the Denzel Ward of quarterbacks; great when playing, but not guaranteed to play each week.
 
tom 48 said:
Well, Watson is certainly more likely to finish a season. Lamar is the Denzel Ward of quarterbacks; great when playing, but not guaranteed to play each week.
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By my count Lamar has missed 11 games in his career. Deshaun has missed 22. Whatever the excuses are, bottom line is Lamar has missed half the games Deshaun has.

Even if you remove the non injury games missed it’s 9 for Watson and 11 for Lamar, if you believe he didn’t sit himself longer than necessary to save health going into a contract negotiation and FA year.
 
clarkgriswold said:
As for Lamar being a prima donna, he's just out trying to get the most money he can. I don't begrudge him that. He's just finding out his value in a hard way.
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I take exception to this. This is a long standing thought for fans and frankly it's old and really unrealistic.

First of all Jackson and all NFL ( and other team sports) are part of a union. So they need to understand that while they are individually contracted, they are part of a group that is there for the greater good of all. Jackon will make $32.4 MILLION DOLLARS this season. My comment in many of these cases is - "how many millions do you need?" Many of these guys are tone deaf. I mean they have more money than they and their families can ever spend and yet it comes down to wanting more. He's a professional athlete, his widow of his career is closing each day. He could walk away from the game today and never worry about money ever again, so he's "made it".

It drives me bonkers how many of these guys handle their money.
 
14Red said:
I take exception to this. This is a long standing thought for fans and frankly it's old and really unrealistic.

First of all Jackson and all NFL ( and other team sports) are part of a union. So they need to understand that while they are individually contracted, they are part of a group that is there for the greater good of all. Jackon will make $32.4 MILLION DOLLARS this season. My comment in many of these cases is - "how many millions do you need?" Many of these guys are tone deaf. I mean they have more money than they and their families can ever spend and yet it comes down to wanting more. He's a professional athlete, his widow of his career is closing each day. He could walk away from the game today and never worry about money ever again, so he's "made it".

It drives me bonkers how many of these guys handle their money.
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Okay Red, you go ahead and turn down a job that pays you substantially more than what you're making now while lesser employees are making more.

The primary way to value your worth in an occupation is by comparing your pay to those in a similar position and that's what he's doing. Also, the union's going to pressure him to get as much as he can because it sets a precedent for their members in future negotiations.
 
14Red said:
I take exception to this. This is a long standing thought for fans and frankly it's old and really unrealistic.

First of all Jackson and all NFL ( and other team sports) are part of a union. So they need to understand that while they are individually contracted, they are part of a group that is there for the greater good of all. Jackon will make $32.4 MILLION DOLLARS this season. My comment in many of these cases is - "how many millions do you need?" Many of these guys are tone deaf. I mean they have more money than they and their families can ever spend and yet it comes down to wanting more. He's a professional athlete, his widow of his career is closing each day. He could walk away from the game today and never worry about money ever again, so he's "made it".

It drives me bonkers how many of these guys handle their money.
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You are just saying this because of the huge amount of money involved. Let's put it in these terms.

Lamar drives a forklift for warehouse company A. He has done it for several years, won some awards like Most Valuable Forklift Guy. He makes $32K per year. He then sees Deshaun, who drives a forklift for Company B, switch to Company C and get way more money ($54K per year) than Lamar is making, and a long guaranteed contract as well.

Now Deshaun is pretty good at forklift driving, but Lamar is better, and has won the MVFG award. Lamar would like to stay at company A, but he feels he deserves $54K or more per year, and would like some guarantees, since he knows Deshaun did.

Do you think Lamar should stay at Company A for $32 K per year?
 
clarkgriswold said:
Okay Red, you go ahead and turn down a job that pays you substantially more than what you're making now while lesser employees are making more.

The primary way to value your worth in an occupation is by comparing your pay to those in a similar position and that's what he's doing. Also, the union's going to pressure him to get as much as he can because it sets a precedent for their members in future negotiations.
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At what point does reality set in and some appreciation and gratitude enter?

Look, I've done well. I'm just a normal guy. Could I have looked elsewhere and got more money? Possibly but I'm not wired that way. I've enjoyed what I do and to me grinding for every buck isn't worth it. And for these guys, who make generational wealth, it makes less sense.
 
wolves82 said:
You are just saying this because of the huge amount of money involved. Let's put it in these terms.

Lamar drives a forklift for warehouse company A. He has done it for several years, won some awards like Most Valuable Forklift Guy. He makes $32K per year. He then sees Deshaun, who drives a forklift for Company B, switch to Company C and get way more money ($54K per year) than Lamar is making, and a long guaranteed contract as well.

Now Deshaun is pretty good at forklift driving, but Lamar is better, and has won the MVFG award. Lamar would like to stay at company A, but he feels he deserves $54K or more per year, and would like some guarantees, since he knows Deshaun did.

Do you think Lamar should stay at Company A for $32 K per year?
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Actually the huge amount of money involved has alot to do with it. Lamar isn't struggling to get by if he doesn't get a bigger contract or guaranteed money.
So the forklift driver comparison makes little to no sense.

But I'll play along. So this company that Lamar works at is odd, because it's not an at-will employer and he's a contracted employee. In their last union agreement, he agreed to what the contract paid him and the company has the ability to tag or freeze special employees if they want to. This also means he becomes one to the top paid forklift drivers in the country. Lamar still isn't happy and wants more money because he's greedy.
Remember - he's AGREED to this contract with his union. The company is doing nothing wrong paying him what they pay him. Oh, and Lamar is accident prone and missses work alot so the company doesn't want to guarantee his money. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
14Red said:
At what point does reality set in and some appreciation and gratitude enter?

Look, I've done well. I'm just a normal guy. Could I have looked elsewhere and got more money? Possibly but I'm not wired that way. I've enjoyed what I do and to me grinding for every buck isn't worth it. And for these guys, who make generational wealth, it makes less sense.
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So, you find out that the Kirk Cousins of "whatever the hell you do" is making substantially more than you and you're going to run to the boss to exclaim your gratitude for the world to hear. Got it.

Give me a break.
 
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