Greatest Coach in the History of each Stark County High School football program

MassillonTigers3 said:
Top 3??? Hell no unless he starts winning some championships….IMO
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There should be no debate about the most successful HC at Massillon Washington....Paul Brown is the man! Surprising that the name of HC Chuck Mather is not being brought up. Mather was a very successful coach at Massillon in the 1950s and seemingly better than Moore.

At Canton McKinley, HC, Herman "Bup" Rearick was exceptional. Had he not lost a couple of opportunities for state titles he would be the choice by many of the older Bulldog supporters, as best coach ever. Those who are still around, still mention the 1948 and 1949 games against Massillon. McKinley was undefeated going into both of those games, a 2-touchdown favorite in 1949, and ranked #1 in state polls. Tigers pulled off the upsets. Otherwise, Rearick's record against Massillon would have been 5-1-2, as opposed of 3-3-2, with 4 state titles, as opposed to 2. Nevertheless, McDaniels gets the nod as the best HC at McKinley, but he, like Nate Moore, benefitted from the wins racked up in the playoffs.
 
ohiocrew said:
There should be no debate about the most successful HC at Massillon Washington....Paul Brown is the man! Surprising that the name of HC Chuck Mather is not being brought up. Mather was a very successful coach at Massillon in the 1950s and seemingly better than Moore.

At Canton McKinley, HC, Herman "Bup" Rearick was exceptional. Had he not lost a couple of opportunities for state titles he would be the choice by many of the older Bulldog supporters, as best coach ever. Those who are still around, still mention the 1948 and 1949 games against Massillon. McKinley was undefeated going into both of those games, a 2-touchdown favorite in 1949, and ranked #1 in state polls. Tigers pulled off the upsets. Otherwise, Rearick's record against Massillon would have been 5-1-2, as opposed of 3-3-2, with 4 state titles, as opposed to 2. Nevertheless, McDaniels gets the nod as the best HC at McKinley, but he, like Nate Moore, benefitted from the wins racked up in the playoffs.
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I can think of 3-5 Massillon coaches that blow Nate out of the water tbh. He shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as Brown, Mather, Strang, Bruce etc
 
Bull GreenDog said:
Here's what I have for the schools that haven't been mentioned on this thread yet, based on the yappi.net lists of yearly records

Tuslaw- Nate Held (2006-2016, 60-53 overall, PAC champions in 2006 and 2008)
Fairless- AJ Sarbaugh (2018- present, 28-21 overall, PAC champions in 2021 and 2022)
Lake- Jeff Durbin (1990-2012, 163- 98 overall, 4x FED champs, 3x state runner-up, 5x state final 4, 6x final 8)
East Canton- Spider Miller (2015-present, 38-33 overall, 2017 IVC champions, playoff wins in 2017 and 2018)
Northwest- Vic Whiting (1999-2016, 120- 69 overall, 3x NBC champs, 2004 state final 4, 2003 and 2007 state final 8)
Canton South- Don Nehlen (1959-62, 21-15-2 overall, 2x Stark County AA league champions)
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Durbin should have minimum 1 state title. Feel for that man. Deserved it.
 
TIGER27 said:
I could make an argument for Moore. The games changed so much, the competition is more fierce and the private schools are a completely different beast. The demographics of the city and state for the matter have changed drastically.

Who is the best? That’s not for me to say but hats of coach Moore and staff keep doing what you’re doing.
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He's a fine coach, but needs championships to get a podium spot IMO.

Bottom line overall, Paul Brown is Paul Brown and the others are not Paul Brown.
 
TIGER27 said:
I could make an argument for Moore. The games changed so much, the competition is more fierce and the private schools are a completely different beast. The demographics of the city and state for the matter have changed drastically.

Who is the best? That’s not for me to say but hats of coach Moore and staff keep doing what you’re doing.
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Very well said T27!!!!!! Agree with ALL of your points!!!!!
 
MassillonTigers3 said:
Never thought I’d see the day where any Massillon fan would seemingly discredit the achievements of PAUL BROWN
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Not sure that anyone is discrediting what PB achieved throughout his entire coaching career.... Massillon wouldn't be Massillon without him... A strong case could be made that he is the greatest FB coach of all-time.... So far ahead of his time in so many areas... If WWII hadn't interrupted his stint at OSU I'm sure he would been a huge success there as well as his HS and pro careers....

All that was pointed out was the huge differences in the coaching environment today as opposed to earlier eras... And many of those differences the coach has no control over (i.e. shifting population from city to suburbs and from rust belt to sun belt, demographics, enrollment numbers, rise of the private schools, etc..)...

I think the key word in your post is "seemingly"....

IMO, PB is #1 and then I would put Chuck Mather #2 because he kind of rebooted the program after some mediocre years after PB left..... After that there are certainly many other outstanding coaches to choose from, with NM being in that group.... But, as was mentioned, his legacy at Massillon has yet to be determined so let's see what the future brings...

All I know for sure is that I am very excited for a great 2023 season!!!! GO TIGERS!!!!! 🐅🐅🐅
 
TIGER27 said:
I could make an argument for Moore. The games changed so much, the competition is more fierce and the private schools are a completely different beast. The demographics of the city and state for the matter have changed drastically.

Who is the best? That’s not for me to say but hats of coach Moore and staff keep doing what you’re doing.
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Agreed. Moore has come closer to a title than Brown. Brown never had the opportunity, but still.
 
ImpracticalJoker said:
Not sure that anyone is discrediting what PB achieved throughout his entire coaching career.... Massillon wouldn't be Massillon without him... A strong case could be made that he is the greatest FB coach of all-time.... So far ahead of his time in so many areas... If WWII hadn't interrupted his stint at OSU I'm sure he would been a huge success there as well as his HS and pro careers....

All that was pointed out was the huge differences in the coaching environment today as opposed to earlier eras... And many of those differences the coach has no control over (i.e. shifting population from city to suburbs and from rust belt to sun belt, demographics, enrollment numbers, rise of the private schools, etc..)...

I think the key word in your post is "seemingly"....

IMO, PB is #1 and then I would put Chuck Mather #2 because he kind of rebooted the program after some mediocre years after PB left..... After that there are certainly many other outstanding coaches to choose from, with NM being in that group.... But, as was mentioned, his legacy at Massillon has yet to be determined so let's see what the future brings...

All I know for sure is that I am very excited for a great 2023 season!!!! GO TIGERS!!!!! 🐅🐅🐅
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Pointing out the differences between 1930s and 2020’s is one thing but I don’t agree with the insinuation that those differences make Nate better or even equal to PB.
Go Tigers!
 
Jeff Durbin is the known pick for Lake....but Ed Marshall needs serious consideration. His record was 37 and 3...with a 27 game win streak...he went 8-2, 10-0, 10-0, and 9-1. The 1970 team scored 506 points that year..after scoring 496 in 1969...the 1969 team only allowed 27 points...his team had 2 years of 6 shutouts, 69 and 70. The 1970 team rushed for 674 yards against Northwest in a 78 to 0 game. The 1969 team only allowed 92 yards rushing for the season...held Sandy Valley to -50 for the game. They only allowed 622 yards all season and held Sandy Valley to -33 total yards.
 
Bluestreakoffice said:
Jeff Durbin is the known pick for Lake....but Ed Marshall needs serious consideration. His record was 37 and 3...with a 27 game win streak...he went 8-2, 10-0, 10-0, and 9-1. The 1970 team scored 506 points that year..after scoring 496 in 1969...the 1969 team only allowed 27 points...his team had 2 years of 6 shutouts, 69 and 70. The 1970 team rushed for 674 yards against Northwest in a 78 to 0 game. The 1969 team only allowed 92 yards rushing for the season...held Sandy Valley to -50 for the game. They only allowed 622 yards all season and held Sandy Valley to -33 total yards.
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Bro everyone held SV to negative yards back then.

Jeff Durbin was a hell of a coach.
 
Maxie said:
One thing that is still evident is your obsession with threads that concern Massillon, “but still.”
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Your statement is true, my statement is true.
shake hands good job GIF by The STATION By MAKER
 
ImpracticalJoker said:
WTF... as usual you make absolutely no sense....

Question for you: How many college football National Championships has Ohio State won in their history?
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Between 5 and 8 depending on the poll(s) one believes in (One poll included only the regular season, and tOSU should be embarrased that they include 1970 on their list IMO). That it was done by poll as opposed to a tournament doesn't automatically make them invalid to those without an agenda.
 
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Perry definitely Keith Wakefield.
I will give my coach at Perry Tom Winkhart, an honorable mention because when he took over at Perry they only had two winning seasons since the school opened. He built the program in three years from doormats to league contenders every year. He instilled a toughness and never say die attitude in his players. His third year was the Panthers first FLC. From 69-72 he went 35-5 with two league titles and two second place finishes. Six times in his career his teams came back to win games in the final 2 minutes of games. I was part of his 10-0 team in 69, that had 4, D-1 players on it and would have been 5, except one broke his leg after being offered by Toledo. Something rare at Perry.
While Coach Wakefield took the Panthers to an another level and to two state title games, the foundation of a winning tradition was already laid by those Panther teams that were led by Coach Winkhart and then by Coach Demaree. Just my opinion.
 
ImpracticalJoker said:
Not sure that anyone is discrediting what PB achieved throughout his entire coaching career.... Massillon wouldn't be Massillon without him... A strong case could be made that he is the greatest FB coach of all-time.... So far ahead of his time in so many areas... If WWII hadn't interrupted his stint at OSU I'm sure he would been a huge success there as well as his HS and pro careers....

All that was pointed out was the huge differences in the coaching environment today as opposed to earlier eras... And many of those differences the coach has no control over (i.e. shifting population from city to suburbs and from rust belt to sun belt, demographics, enrollment numbers, rise of the private schools, etc..)...

I think the key word in your post is "seemingly"....

IMO, PB is #1 and then I would put Chuck Mather #2 because he kind of rebooted the program after some mediocre years after PB left..... After that there are certainly many other outstanding coaches to choose from, with NM being in that group.... But, as was mentioned, his legacy at Massillon has yet to be determined so let's see what the future brings...

All I know for sure is that I am very excited for a great 2023 season!!!! GO TIGERS!!!!! 🐅🐅🐅
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Did you Tiger folks know Mather was
Benchboss1 said:
For me, top 5 for sure. Brown, Mather, Strang, Bruce and Currence. I will not rank Nate until his career at Massillon is over.
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Currence was another one way ahead of his time. His passing scheme was pretty much not seen in the mid to late 70’s. BTW, did you tiger fans know Mather was from Steubenville!
 
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