Future District Sites

Does anyone know what goes into selecting District sites? Findlay today is Horrible. Not even close to enough seats for spectators since they have a whole section of bleachers not out to run 4 mats. This district was at Marysville last year which was just as bad if not worse
 
 
Harrison is no better. Standing room only around rail and bleachers packed to the limit. Same thing… only one side of bleachers out. Hearing lots of complaints in the stands how crowded it is. They do run a good tournament but need a larger venue for sure.
 
Maybe you should stop complaining about the school that volunteer to hold tournaments while the schools you’re from choose to do nothing
It’s more of the lack of seating for the event and the PA announcer constantly telling people to sit in the bleachers when there is not an open seat. Referees kicking people out from sitting mat side when there is no space in the bleachers when they are just trying to watch their kids wrestle, to a point today with everyone standing and blocking exits, might’ve been a fire hazard!

In terms of hosting, why would a team want to host? There is no gain. There is no profit in hosting since the OHSAA gets all ticket sales.

Also, if my argument is for there to be more seating, my area school doing “nothing” would be no good since my area school has less seating, so not sure where you planned on going with that.
 
We went from not even having a girls post season six years ago to needing regionals in the 3rd year and to adding sectionals/districts last season to now overfilling a gym. Sounds like a great problem to have!!

Every guys district I have been to has been packed too. It’s just how it is with high school gyms only being so big. Thanks for the schools who volunteer because all they get is concession money.
 
I heard Findlay coach mention (If they decide to host), 2 mats in one gym and 3 mats in the other next year

Some talk amongst coaches about the need to move to a 2 day district for the girls. The quality of the wrestling is greatly improving year over year along with the competitiveness of matches. I agree with the need to move to 2 days but I know there are a lot of factors to consider. One being that many coaches do double duty with the boys and the girls.

Heard suggestion of starting Saturday evening and running 2 championship rounds that day and finishing wrestlebacks, semis, finals on Sunday

Feel free to comment any thoughts, suggestions, etc.

Need good dialogue amongst coaches and not bashing schools that actually host.

I will be attending the state coaches meeting this Thursday as the NE Girls Rep. I can bring any ideas to the table that we can possibly present to the District Athletic Boards since they now are in charge of the 1st two levels of the individual postseason

Chris Chidlaw
Elyria High School
440-452-9253 (Feel free to text me here if you'd prefer that)
chrischidlaw@yahoo.com (Or email me here)
 
Maybe it's time to split the girls up into 2 Divisions (Large and small schools)? But that means needing more sites, but the venues wouldn't need to be as large. When you have 74 teams entered (@ Harrison) with participants in a one day tourney, it's gonna draw a ton of people! I appreciate the people who took the time and effort to host this year. It's not an easy task!
 
I heard Findlay coach mention (If they decide to host), 2 mats in one gym and 3 mats in the other next year

Some talk amongst coaches about the need to move to a 2 day district for the girls. The quality of the wrestling is greatly improving year over year along with the competitiveness of matches. I agree with the need to move to 2 days but I know there are a lot of factors to consider. One being that many coaches do double duty with the boys and the girls.

Heard suggestion of starting Saturday evening and running 2 championship rounds that day and finishing wrestlebacks, semis, finals on Sunday

Feel free to comment any thoughts, suggestions, etc.

Need good dialogue amongst coaches and not bashing schools that actually host.

I will be attending the state coaches meeting this Thursday as the NE Girls Rep. I can bring any ideas to the table that we can possibly present to the District Athletic Boards since they now are in charge of the 1st two levels of the individual postseason

Chris Chidlaw
Elyria High School
440-452-9253 (Feel free to text me here if you'd prefer that)
chrischidlaw@yahoo.com (Or email me here)
FYI, we did not finish at Mentor until about 8 pm. I don't really think 2 divisions is anywhere close to happening but we should not be cramming a 16 person bracketed tournament into one day. After all, it is the exact same size as a boy's tournament (406 matches) so why the difference? The quality of the wrestling yesterday was quite good and that makes the event run longer.
One of the issues is that there simply are not enough officials to staff the events. There is no quick and easy fix to this.
 
Maybe it's time to split the girls up into 2 Divisions (Large and small schools)? But that means needing more sites, but the venues wouldn't need to be as large. When you have 74 teams entered (@ Harrison) with participants in a one day tourney, it's gonna draw a ton of people! I appreciate the people who took the time and effort to host this year. It's not an easy task!
I'm not sure that OHSAA is willing to do that yet. There are approximately 100 schools that met the TEAM status. Looking at the boys, it looks like that number has to be 163 to get a new division.


Last year according to OHSAA website there were 63 school that had TEAM status (7+ weight classes filled at Sectionals) not sure where they got their numbers because I had 72.


It also states that these divisions will be used for the the 25 and 26 postseasons.

With the OHSAA signing a contract with OSU through the 2027 tournament, my guess is they try to not split into 2 divisions until after 2027

Just my best guess on this stuff based on what we know
 
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Something else to consider is the shear number of schools that are divided between 4 districts for the girls. I believe there were 146 schools represented in the girls division. Division 1 boys have 83 schools they accommodate over 4 district sites. Granted the girls do not have near as many full teams, but trying to pack everyone in a gym in one day made for very crowded venues. No one is bashing these schools, just simply pointing out pain points that can be improved next year. A 2 day format thins the crowd quicker as the 2 and outs are eliminated. In a one day format, everyone stays! I do have a HS girl wrestling, but also had 4 HS boys over the years. I never experienced the crowd size we had at Harrison yesterday at Kettering over the 10 years our boys wrestled.
 
I can only speak to what I saw at Mentor but the size of the crowd reminded me of the Meatgrinder days. The place was pretty well packed. I haven't seen that in years. However, as girls lost their second match, you could see the crowd thin out considerably.
The wrestling was good but it was a LONG day for everyone working at the event.
 
Something else to consider is the shear number of schools that are divided between 4 districts for the girls. I believe there were 146 schools represented in the girls division. Division 1 boys have 83 schools they accommodate over 4 district sites. Granted the girls do not have near as many full teams, but trying to pack everyone in a gym in one day made for very crowded venues. No one is bashing these schools, just simply pointing out pain points that can be improved next year. A 2 day format thins the crowd quicker as the 2 and outs are eliminated. In a one day format, everyone stays! I do have a HS girl wrestling, but also had 4 HS boys over the years. I never experienced the crowd size we had at Harrison yesterday at Kettering over the 10 years our boys wrestled.
You're numbers are a bit off. They are actually much higher. Those numbers you list are only the schools that qualified a wrestlers to state.

Girls numbers are as follows of those schools that qualified for district

Big Walnut (71)
Findlay (77)
Harrison (68)
Mentor (87)

303 Total schools at all the districts. So about 75 per district site.

Why does everyone stay in a 1 day format? I know some boys districts do 2 rounds of championship on the first day and no wrestle backs some others do 1 round of consis on that first day. In either format everyone is still in until day 2

I can't speak to the districts but Findlay was VERY crowded and was probably a fire hazard with doors being blocked at some points.

They did a great job of running it but I don't think they were prepared for the amount of people that were there (Fans and coaches). I would bet there was well over 200 coaches, maybe closer to 300.
 
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I can only speak to what I saw at Mentor but the size of the crowd reminded me of the Meatgrinder days. The place was pretty well packed. I haven't seen that in years. However, as girls lost their second match, you could see the crowd thin out considerably.
The wrestling was good but it was a LONG day for everyone working at the event.
Thanks for the insight on Mentor
 
FYI, we did not finish at Mentor until about 8 pm. I don't really think 2 divisions is anywhere close to happening but we should not be cramming a 16 person bracketed tournament into one day. After all, it is the exact same size as a boy's tournament (406 matches) so why the difference? The quality of the wrestling yesterday was quite good and that makes the event run longer.
One of the issues is that there simply are not enough officials to staff the events. There is no quick and easy fix to this.
Findlay I believe finished around 5:30p but still was a long day. 8pm is very late.

Yeah the lack of officials is definitely something to consider but isn't there more of a strain on the number of officials Sectional weekend as opposed to District?
 
Yeah the lack of officials is definitely something to consider but isn't there more of a strain on the number of officials Sectional weekend as opposed to District?
It is but as much as I hate to admit it, it would become a quality vs quantity issue.
There are warm bodies but then you have a choice to make.
 
We have to consider a large majority of teams share boys and girls coaches. The format currently allows for this to happen. Two options that I have.

First option, find venues that can hold 6 mats. Run your first 2 rounds on 6 mats and then move it down to 4 mats for semis, consi round 2, and consi semis. Then, finals on 3 mats. This would save you close to 2 hours.

Second option, piggy back off the boys sites. Find 4 in each area of the state. Boys sites run 2 championships and 1 consi round on 5 mats. Day 2, start wrestling at 9am. Run consi round 2 on 5 mats then move to 4 mats until Finals. Should be Finished before 4pm.
Girls weigh in at 5pm and start Wrestling at 6:30pm. Using 5 mats, run 2 rounds of Championship on Saturday. Finish the event on Sunday (running day 2 just like day 2 of the boys) should be done by 2/2:30pm.

I personally feel the girls should stay 1 day as it seems there are a large amount of pins and a lot of travel involved. Plus coaches pick sectionals now based on Districts and it is possible to have boys and girls in different parts of the state.
 
We have to consider a large majority of teams share boys and girls coaches. The format currently allows for this to happen. Two options that I have.

First option, find venues that can hold 6 mats. Run your first 2 rounds on 6 mats and then move it down to 4 mats for semis, consi round 2, and consi semis. Then, finals on 3 mats. This would save you close to 2 hours.

Second option, piggy back off the boys sites. Find 4 in each area of the state. Boys sites run 2 championships and 1 consi round on 5 mats. Day 2, start wrestling at 9am. Run consi round 2 on 5 mats then move to 4 mats until Finals. Should be Finished before 4pm.
Girls weigh in at 5pm and start Wrestling at 6:30pm. Using 5 mats, run 2 rounds of Championship on Saturday. Finish the event on Sunday (running day 2 just like day 2 of the boys) should be done by 2/2:30pm.

I personally feel the girls should stay 1 day as it seems there are a large amount of pins and a lot of travel involved. Plus coaches pick sectionals now based on Districts and it is possible to have boys and girls in different parts of the state.
Adding mats you still need officials and seeing how some of the stripes get treated its hard not to see why those numbers are dwindling. You get into the waters of officials quickly with Quantity vs Quality. Saw a few things this weekend but was nice to see them coming together on the mat to make the correct calls. There's one or two officials over the years I "owe a drink to" from heat of the moment comments. It was alot for one day but until the actual amount of teams (7+ weights) increases the change we see will be slow and steady
 
We went from not even having a girls post season six years ago to needing regionals in the 3rd year and to adding sectionals/districts last season to now overfilling a gym. Sounds like a great problem to have!!

Every guys district I have been to has been packed too. It’s just how it is with high school gyms only being so big. Thanks for the schools who volunteer because all they get is concession money.
I think a lot of those here likely were not around for those years so they don't have that perspective. They don't know the time, effort, and energies that were put in during those years. It is not going to be 2 days anytime soon. You would have referee issues that you do not want to have in an event with a trip to state on the line. There are not many schools that are girls wrestling schools that can hold 4-5 mats and provide the seating that makes everyone happy.
 
We have to consider a large majority of teams share boys and girls coaches. The format currently allows for this to happen. Two options that I have.

First option, find venues that can hold 6 mats. Run your first 2 rounds on 6 mats and then move it down to 4 mats for semis, consi round 2, and consi semis. Then, finals on 3 mats. This would save you close to 2 hours.

Second option, piggy back off the boys sites. Find 4 in each area of the state. Boys sites run 2 championships and 1 consi round on 5 mats. Day 2, start wrestling at 9am. Run consi round 2 on 5 mats then move to 4 mats until Finals. Should be Finished before 4pm.
Girls weigh in at 5pm and start Wrestling at 6:30pm. Using 5 mats, run 2 rounds of Championship on Saturday. Finish the event on Sunday (running day 2 just like day 2 of the boys) should be done by 2/2:30pm.

I personally feel the girls should stay 1 day as it seems there are a large amount of pins and a lot of travel involved. Plus coaches pick sectionals now based on Districts and it is possible to have boys and girls in different parts of the state.
Several issues/problems with each of these. They might not be impossible to overcome but they are not as easy as it is to write them out.

First option, there are not very many HS's that can handle 6 mats. Even if they can, do they want to do so? You have to find a school administration that wants wrestling in their house.

Second option, where do you think you are going to get officials and table workers willing to start at 9 am (remember that weigh-ins would start at 7 am) and work until when??? With a 6:30 start, you are probably looking at 10 pm at the best.

I disagree with you on your last idea. A 16 person bracket is a tough thing to do in one day. If you think otherwise I am 100% sure your never worked one. The ONLY reason is is allowed is because the NFHS now allows for a 6th match in one day. There are fewer and fewer pins every year. The girls deserve the same treatment as the boys get.
 
Several issues/problems with each of these. They might not be impossible to overcome but they are not as easy as it is to write them out.

First option, there are not very many HS's that can handle 6 mats. Even if they can, do they want to do so? You have to find a school administration that wants wrestling in their house.

Second option, where do you think you are going to get officials and table workers willing to start at 9 am (remember that weigh-ins would start at 7 am) and work until when??? With a 6:30 start, you are probably looking at 10 pm at the best.

I disagree with you on your last idea. A 16 person bracket is a tough thing to do in one day. If you think otherwise I am 100% sure your never worked one. The ONLY reason is is allowed is because the NFHS now allows for a 6th match in one day. There are fewer and fewer pins every year. The girls deserve the same treatment as the boys get.
Thank you for your feedback, unfortunately your responses on my second options are incorrect as there wouldn’t be weigh ins as they were weigh outs the night before. Most events start at 9am all year long. Plus weigh ins do not need to be 2 hours. Minimum of 1 hour is required if we want to get technical.
Your 6:30 start gets you done before 9 with 5 mats.

I do not even want to respond to your last paragraph but I will. I have done way more than work one of those events. I have ran, worked, organized, plenty over 25 years and the ins and outs are more simple than you think if you are organized and are able to get people to help. My responses and thoughts come from actual data not just feelings….

You were lead Offical in about 35 matches in 7 hours before finals if you worked at Mentor. Going to 6 mats would make it 35 matches for you in 5 hours. I think most refs would do the 35 in 5 over 35 in 7….. 2 refs per mat instead of 3. You might not get as many matches off for 2 rounds but you get done faster for the same amount of PAY.
 
Thank you for your feedback, unfortunately your responses on my second options are incorrect as there wouldn’t be weigh ins as they were weigh outs the night before. Most events start at 9am all year long. Plus weigh ins do not need to be 2 hours. Minimum of 1 hour is required if we want to get technical.
Your 6:30 start gets you done before 9 with 5 mats.

I do not even want to respond to your last paragraph but I will. I have done way more than work one of those events. I have ran, worked, organized, plenty over 25 years and the ins and outs are more simple than you think if you are organized and are able to get people to help. My responses and thoughts come from actual data not just feelings….

You were lead Offical in about 35 matches in 7 hours before finals if you worked at Mentor. Going to 6 mats would make it 35 matches for you in 5 hours. I think most refs would do the 35 in 5 over 35 in 7….. 2 refs per mat instead of 3. You might not get as many matches off for 2 rounds but you get done faster for the same amount of PAY.
 
Mentor was run great, all in one gym, great crowd, for a 1 day 16person bracket it was run right with one 15min break to move mat for finals. Great Job, slowly becoming what the meat grinder used to be! (even with a few bigger area teams choosing to go west for a "better shot")
 
You try to run on 5 mats...there will be breaks where mat(s) get shut down due to rest time between matches. There are less pins yes, but not even close to boys times for average # of matches per hour. At Harrison there were 8 Pins in the championship finals, 9 pins in 3rd place bouts, and 10 pins in 5th place bouts. There are still a whole lot more pins in post season than boys...the girls events do go faster. You cannot deny that. You might use 5 mats for the 1st round, but pretty much will not be able to run it without breaks for athletes in between.

I would rather go one day with less mats than hire some of the officials that I have seen this year because there are not enough of our best guys anymore. Saw some (1 specifically) at DI Fairmont that was very much out of his depth there...and he will be at the Schott next week. That's another issue altogether, but we don't have enough officials..period.
 
You're numbers are a bit off. They are actually much higher. Those numbers you list are only the schools that qualified a wrestlers to state.

Girls numbers are as follows of those schools that qualified for district

Big Walnut (71)
Findlay (77)
Harrison (68)
Mentor (87)

303 Total schools at all the districts. So about 75 per district site.

Why does everyone stay in a 1 day format? I know some boys districts do 2 rounds of championship on the first day and no wrestle backs some others do 1 round of consis on that first day. In either format everyone is still in until day 2

I can't speak to the districts but Findlay was VERY crowded and was probably a fire hazard with doors being blocked at some points.

They did a great job of running it but I don't think they were prepared for the amount of people that were there (Fans and coaches). I would bet there was well over 200 coaches, maybe closer to 300.
Lets be honest the ones that do Championship rounds 1 and 2 on Friday night and do not start consis until Saturday are the ones looking to make the most bang for their buck, because you get every wrestler and their family back the next day. The OHSAA makes more $$$ and the concessions get more as well. The easiest way to fix the Mentor bracket is to have it be a 2 day tourney or have some of those schools go out to another district. We had schools who were actually closer to Mentor than almost half the tournament go to Findlay, why not send some of the others? How is it a school like Mapleton or Alliance goes to Findlay, while a school like Northwestern goes to Mentor? Or how is a Steubenville a school on the Ohio River coming to the shores of Lake Erie to wrestle? I do get the schools who have teams get to pick their sectional, but there has to be a way to even things out a little better. When you have teams coming from 2 hours away to wrestle and do not finish until 8 pm that makes for a tough work day the next with it being on a sunday. Finding a larger place to have it would not change much when it comes to monitoring wait time as well. There was great wrestling at Mentor with many matches going the full 3 periods
 
Findlay seating was rough but the tournament was well-ran. Not sure what the answer is. Marysville District in years past had terrible seating but also a well-ran tournament. I am originally from Indiana and our semi-state (Indiana equivalent of districts) was run at the Allen County War Memorial (same place as the Central Regional) and had plenty of seating. High schools might be getting too small
 
Lets be honest the ones that do Championship rounds 1 and 2 on Friday night and do not start consis until Saturday are the ones looking to make the most bang for their buck, because you get every wrestler and their family back the next day. The OHSAA makes more $$$ and the concessions get more as well. The easiest way to fix the Mentor bracket is to have it be a 2 day tourney or have some of those schools go out to another district. We had schools who were actually closer to Mentor than almost half the tournament go to Findlay, why not send some of the others? How is it a school like Mapleton or Alliance goes to Findlay, while a school like Northwestern goes to Mentor? Or how is a Steubenville a school on the Ohio River coming to the shores of Lake Erie to wrestle? I do get the schools who have teams get to pick their sectional, but there has to be a way to even things out a little better. When you have teams coming from 2 hours away to wrestle and do not finish until 8 pm that makes for a tough work day the next with it being on a sunday. Finding a larger place to have it would not change much when it comes to monitoring wait time as well. There was great wrestling at Mentor with many matches going the full 3 periods
Alignments are very odd.. We had 2 hours & 45 min to get to mentor for districts… big walnut would’ve only been about 40 min lol
 
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