brianwr112
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Did you miss the whole part where doctors were handing out pain meds left and right?
Fentanyl
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clarkgriswold
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Doctors everywhere prescribed Oxycontin as it was pitched to them as the miracle non-addictive time released opiate. They were also financially incentivized in many instances to prescribe it. That placed good people in a position of becoming addicts by just following the directions of their trusted physician. Do some research and you will see it was anything but a one off. It impacted not only those who were prescribed oxycontin, became addicted and were then yanked off of the oxycontin and ended up turning to heroin and fentanyl as an alternative, but it put oxycontin on the street where it was used by the "common" substance abusers who then become addicts and followed the oxy to opiates/synthetic opiate path of those initially prescribed by the doctors. Purdue Pharma, physicians and pharmacies made millions, some of which they are now paying back in huge settlements. Go watch Dopesick or read the book above. You will be enlightened and disgusted.
Fentanyl is a great drug when used appropriately. Doctors in Ohio are much more restricted these days in the amount of opiates they can prescribe. There were shortages of injectable opiates including fentanyl during the height of Covid hospitalizations. This was due to demand but compounded by the fact that the government (DEA, DOJ) required that manufacturers decrease opiate production in recent years. It would seem to me that fewer people should be getting hooked on opiates from prescriptions. There are plenty of people on Suboxone and methadone treatment for opioid addiction. I see them frequently where I work.
14Red
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I certainly understand this. And now that we know all of this, it should certainly stop addiction or at least people take these meds with their eyes wide open.
arizonawildcat
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I had a granddaughter who two weeks after her 22nd birthday died from heroin laced with fentanyl. What a waste.
Gh0st
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The culture for opioid prescribing has shifted dramatically with the newer generations of physicians very rarely prescribing unless in the very short term as part of significant injury or major surgery.
Outside of cancer related pain, no study has ever demonstrated opioid, including illegally obtained ones, helps chronic pain in any way has significant potential to make the pain worse and a longer term issue by introducing addiction and tolerance to medication.
That being said, I can definitely say that visits that I’ve attempted to intervene on someone on these meds chronically, are usually the most difficult visits and people generally get very manipulative, angry, verbally abusive, and even violent toward my staff. I’ve gotten the threat more than once that goes “If you don’t fill my meds, I’ll just go buy heroine” and I just refuse to play that game anymore. I will do whatever I can to safely get someone off these medicines and onto alternative meds or supplemental treatments, but I drew the line years ago that if someone is willing to break the law and obtain these things illegally despite my efforts, I take no responsibility for that and threatening anything simply doesn’t work.
Outside of cancer related pain, no study has ever demonstrated opioid, including illegally obtained ones, helps chronic pain in any way has significant potential to make the pain worse and a longer term issue by introducing addiction and tolerance to medication.
That being said, I can definitely say that visits that I’ve attempted to intervene on someone on these meds chronically, are usually the most difficult visits and people generally get very manipulative, angry, verbally abusive, and even violent toward my staff. I’ve gotten the threat more than once that goes “If you don’t fill my meds, I’ll just go buy heroine” and I just refuse to play that game anymore. I will do whatever I can to safely get someone off these medicines and onto alternative meds or supplemental treatments, but I drew the line years ago that if someone is willing to break the law and obtain these things illegally despite my efforts, I take no responsibility for that and threatening anything simply doesn’t work.
so sorry.... a classmate of mine lost his daughter on Nov 1...... such sadness, and again i can't believe Biden didn't bring this up to the China dude, during their 3 hour meeting... i can't for the life of me seeing Biden talking to anyone for 3 hours.....
and yet banjo boy never brings up that this killed over 110,000 Americans this year.... never TALKS ABOUT IT EVER, and not one of those dam reporters ever put his feet to the fire on this subject!!!
Late last winter I received a call from my sister informing me that one of my nephews had passed away from a fentanyl OD. When I arrived at the visitation I spoke with his younger brother who told me that the autopsy found fentanyl in what my nephew appeared to have believed was heroin. He lived in Oak Harbor but was found in an abandoned trailer between Castalia and Clyde on Rt 101. I doubt that he was alone. His father (my brother) had died from smoke inhalation twenty years ago and he never came to terms with it and a cycle of self-medication ensued which I understood took the form of alcohol, little did anyone know. When I would speak with him he seemed fine, just angry, much like his dad. The reality of life sometimes gets in the way of visiting with loved ones as often as we might like, our daily routines require us to make a living etc. I knew that he was hurting but was unable to break through although it stood to reason that there was more than alcohol in the equation.
My own experience is limited to having vicodin after a dental procedure. The script said take 1-2 pills every six hours and when I filled it the pharmacist said that since I am a bigger person that I should take two pills the first time to knock down the discomfort, which I did. Within 15 minutes I was in absolute euphoria, feeling as though I was floating above my La-Z-Boy. Frankly, it was great. It then occurred to me why Brett Favre became addicted. It did its job knocking the pain down and I felt no need to take more until the evening at which time I took one pill. There was no euphoria but it was still relaxing. I had the distinct feeling that two pills wouldn't have hit me nearly as hard as the first dose had and I could plainly see why people need to keep increasing the dose or find something stronger. The next morning I had precious little discomfort and never finished the script. It can start innocently and quickly escalate and some people just need to escape daily life for a while. Where the disconnect comes in involves dedicated chemists and researchers trying to help people and the big wigs who see $$$.
Unfortunately, there are people in a very dark place facing chronic conditions and end-of-life decisions who require these drugs in order to have any quality of life. My mom was prescribed Oxy for her terminal lung cancer and was worried about getting hooked. As a son it was difficult to counsel her that there was a likely defined time line regarding her remaining days and that becoming dependent was not among her primary concerns, take the medicine mom. It served her well until hospice became necessary.
Purdue Pharma, Martin Shkreli and the like could care less.
My own experience is limited to having vicodin after a dental procedure. The script said take 1-2 pills every six hours and when I filled it the pharmacist said that since I am a bigger person that I should take two pills the first time to knock down the discomfort, which I did. Within 15 minutes I was in absolute euphoria, feeling as though I was floating above my La-Z-Boy. Frankly, it was great. It then occurred to me why Brett Favre became addicted. It did its job knocking the pain down and I felt no need to take more until the evening at which time I took one pill. There was no euphoria but it was still relaxing. I had the distinct feeling that two pills wouldn't have hit me nearly as hard as the first dose had and I could plainly see why people need to keep increasing the dose or find something stronger. The next morning I had precious little discomfort and never finished the script. It can start innocently and quickly escalate and some people just need to escape daily life for a while. Where the disconnect comes in involves dedicated chemists and researchers trying to help people and the big wigs who see $$$.
Unfortunately, there are people in a very dark place facing chronic conditions and end-of-life decisions who require these drugs in order to have any quality of life. My mom was prescribed Oxy for her terminal lung cancer and was worried about getting hooked. As a son it was difficult to counsel her that there was a likely defined time line regarding her remaining days and that becoming dependent was not among her primary concerns, take the medicine mom. It served her well until hospice became necessary.
Purdue Pharma, Martin Shkreli and the like could care less.
CedarBuck92
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My younger brother lost one of his closest friends to heroin in September of 21. That kids girlfriend just OD's before Thanksgiving. The parents of my brother's friend have decided to use this as an educational opportunity and have started visiting schools to tell his story. They are hoping to keep other families from experiencing what they have.