Elder Wrestling 2022-2023

Pantherontheporch said:
No, I'm sorry to say, your answers to the main questions were not correct. You did, however, answer the bonus question correctly. Thanks for playing.


Ding! Ding! We have a winner! Congrats!
You keep coming up with the right answer. (y)
As a junior, Scales recorded pins at Fairfield in times of 1:22, 1:31, 5:46, and 1:00. Here is the link:

Results by Round

www.baumspage.com
His senior year, at the Schott Scales almost duplicated the feat: he went pin (2:45), pin (2:59), dec (9-4), and pin (3:26). Pretty impressive.
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Kid was a beast. The most dominant wrestler in Elder history.
 
Kettering Fairmont District Tournament – Day 1
Championship Round 1
Championship Quarterfinals
Consolation Round 1 (Scheduled to end about 10:15 p.m.)

Championship Round 1
106: Broxterman lost dec Brody Palm (Harrison) 3-0
113: Lambers pin Andrew Pitcher (Mason) 3:50
120: J Thamann pin Isaac Bulugaris (Beavercreek) 3:45
132: Mentz dec Jack Probasco (Kettering Fairmont) 8-5
138: DiTullio pin Colton McHale (Lebanon) 1:40
144: A Thamann dec Lincoln Krull (Miamisburg) 4-3
150: Corcoran lost pin Conner Kleinberg (Springboro) 1:31
157: Kurzhals maj dec Justin Turner (Kettering Fairmont) 11-0
165: Lay lost dec Fletcher Rose (Miamisburg) 5-0
175: Kuhling lost tech fall Ferman Mirzaev (Kettering Fairmont) 17-0
190: James lost tech fall Ryan Iams (Ross) 19-3
285: Yerian lost dec Lucas Stuerenberg (Moeller) 8-4

Weigand is not listed in the 126 bracket opposite Hunter Smith of Fairfield; instead, Collin Pschesang of Milford, who finished fifth at Middletown, is listed as wrestling Smith.

After 285: (1) Springboro 34.0 (2) LaSalle 27.5 (3) Lebanon 23.0 (4) Harrison 22.5 (5) Centerville 22.0 (5) Moeller 19.5 (6) Elder 19.0
 
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Pantherontheporch said:
Kettering Fairmont District Tournament – Day 1
Championship Round 1
Championship Quarterfinals
Consolation Round 1 (Scheduled to end about 10:15 p.m.)

Championship Round 1
106: Broxterman lost dec Brody Palm (Harrison) 3-0

113: Lambers vs Andrew Pitcher (Mason)

120: J Thamann vs Isaac Bulugaris (Beavercreek)
132: Mentz vs Jack Probasco (Kettering Fairmont)
(h2h: Mentz dec 5-1 Elder Duals, 138)
138: DiTullio vs Colton McHale (Lebanon)
144: A Thamann vs Lincoln Krull (Miamisburg)
150: Corcoran vs Conner Kleinberg (Springboro)
157: Kurzhals vs Justin Turner (Kettering Fairmont)
165: Lay vs Fletcher Rose (Miamisburg)
175: Kuhling vs Ferman Mirzaev (Kettering Fairmont)
(h2h: Kuhling lost maj dec 10-1 Elder Duals)
190: James vs Ryan Iams (Ross)
(h2h: James lost pin State Duals)
285: Yerian vs Lucas Stuerenberg (Moeller)
(h2h: Yerian lost dec 3-1 SWOWCA and lost dec 3-0 Moeller dual)

Weigand is not listed in the 126 bracket opposite Hunter Smith of Fairfield; instead, Collin Pschesang of Milford, who finished fifth at Middletown, is listed as wrestling Smith. I do not know the reason Weigand is not wrestling and won't speculate.
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Unfortunately he appears to be on crutches with the team
 
Championship Quarterfinals
113: Lambers dec Sam Like (Little Miami) 5-2
120: J Thamann dec Marsel Sabirdjanov (Mason) 5-3
132: Mentz lost dec Ty Harter (Loveland) 10-4
138: DiTullio lost dec Micah Cottrell (Princeton) 6-5
144: A Thamann lost dec Kyler Rackett (Springboro) 6-5
157: Kurzhals lost maj dec Maclain Morency (Anderson) 9-1

Consolation Round 1
106: Broxterman dec Mitch Winfield (Centerville) 2-1
150: Corcoran lost pin Isaiah Woolum (Wayne) 1:34
165: Lay pin Evan Thompson (Centerville) 2:47
175: Kuhling pin Samuel Purintun (Little Miami) 2:35
190: James dec Sahkai Talley (Winton Woods) 12-8
285: Yerian pin Landen Marshall (Lebanon) 2:04
 
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After Day 1 of the Kettering district, the Panthers are in sixth place with 40.0 points. Springboro is in first place (88.0) followed by LaSalle (75.0), Moeller (53.0), Harrison (46.5), Centerville (41.0), and then the Panthers.
Two Panthers – Konner Lambers (113) and Joey Thamann (120) - are in the championship semis, while nine others – Colin Broxterman (106), Brady Mentz (132), Joey DiTullio (138), Andrew Thamann (144), Lucas Kurzhals (157), Andrew Lay (165), Brayden Kuhling (175), Ian James (190), and Michael Yerian (285) - are still alive in the consolation bracket and in the hunt for a third place finish.
The action resumes tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. with Consolation Round 2.
 
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Kettering Fairmont District Tournament – Day 2

Good luck Panthers!

Consolation Round 2
106: Broxterman lost dec Joey Franz (Springboro) 4-2
132: Mentz lost pin Isaiah Nichols (Trenton Edgewood) 2:38
138: DiTullio pin Michael Owens (Miamisburg) 3:18
144: A Thamann maj dec Kaleb Jones (Northwest) 15-5
157: Kurzhals dec Waylon West (Mason) 3-0
165: Lay dec Austin Holman (Milford) 10-5
175: Kuhling lost maj dec Marcos Velasquez (Clayton Northmont) 11-0
190: James lost dec Tyler Feltner (Lebanon) 11-8
285: Yerian maj dec Joshua Gonzales (Wayne) 11-2

After 285: (1) Springboro 91.0 (2) LaSalle 75.0 (3) Moeller 55.0 (4) Harrison 53.5 (5) Centerville 50.0 (6) Elder 49.0
 
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Pantherontheporch said:
Kettering Fairmont District Tournament – Day 2

Good luck Panthers!

Consolation Round 2
106: Broxterman lost dec Joey Franz (Springboro) 4-2

132: Mentz vs Isaiah Nichols (Trenton Edgewood)

138: DiTullio vs Michael Owens (Miamisburg)
144: A Thamann vs Kaleb Jones (Northwest)
(h2h: Thamann pin Middletown sectional)
157: Kurzhals vs Waylon West (Mason)
165: Lay vs Austin Holman (Milford)
175: Kuhling vs Marcos Velasquez (Clayton Northmont)
190: James vs Tyler Feltner (Lebanon)
285: Yerian vs Joshua Gonzales (Wayne)
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Anyone know what happened to St. Xavier Kid at 106 Adkins ?
 
Championship Semifinals
113: Lambers pin Jake Lentz (Fairfield) 3:41
120: J Thamann dec Gael Ramirez (West Clermont) 6-4

Consolation Round 3 (win = will place, will wrestle a semifinal loser in the next round, the Consolation Semifinals)
138: DiTullio lost dec Tannar Beermann (Fairfield) 5-2
144: A Thamann dec Linkyn Schardt (Turpin) 7-0
157: Kurzhals lost dec Jayden Little (Harrison) 1-0
165: Lay lost dec Will Allen (Lakota West) 5-3
285: Yerian pin Jackson Mires (Centerville) 1:29

After 285: (1) Springboro 142.0 (2) LaSalle 135.0 (3) Harrison 91.5 (4) Elder 83.0 (5) Lebanon 74.0
 
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Consolation Semifinals aka “The Blood Round” (win = will wrestle for third but regardless of the outcome of that match he’s going to the Schott; loss = will wrestle for fifth but no trip to the Schott)
144: A Thamann lost maj dec Stone Busler (Moeller) 10-2
285: Yerian lost pin Jibril Bradford (Northwest) 4:08

After 285: (1) Springboro 159.0 (2) LaSalle 147.0 (3) Moeller 97.0 (4) Harrison 96.5 (5) Lebanon 84.0 (6) Elder 83.0
 
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Championship Finals
113: Lambers pin Nathan Moser (Monroe) 1:05
120: J Thamann lost dec Aiden Allen (LaSalle) 10-3

For Fifth Place
144: A Thamann lost dec Kyler Rackett (Springboro) 3-2
285: Yerian dec Bryson Bastin (Ross) 4-3
 
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Congratulations to sophomores Konner Lambers (113) and Joey Thamann (120) as they earned a trip to the Schott next week. Lambers finished first while Thamann finished second. As we all know, both were state qualifiers last year.
Congrats also to the other two Panthers who placed, senior Andrew Thamann (sixth at 144) and junior Michael Yerian (fifth at 285).
Finally, props to the other eight Panthers who wrestled at Kettering: senior Anthony Lay (165); juniors Brady Mentz (132), Phil Corcoran (150), Lucas Kurzhals (157), Brayden Kuhling (175), and Ian James (190); sophomore Joey DiTullio (138); and freshman Colin Broxterman (106).
The Panthers finished sixth with 91.0 points; Springboro won it with 180.0 points.
 
Good luck to Lambers and Thamann. I saw that Wyatt Ferguson at Oak Hills won his weight class as well and wrestled growing up with the Panthers.

Are there any other west side kids who are still in contention at state?
 
pantherland said:
Good luck to Lambers and Thamann. I saw that Wyatt Ferguson at Oak Hills won his weight class as well and wrestled growing up with the Panthers.

Are there any other west side kids who are still in contention at state?
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Lasalle and Harrison for division 1, Taylor and Reading for division 2 have some kids. Reading has the younger Murphy boys, brothers of Austin Murphy.
 
POTP Whiz of a Whizzer™ Trivia Question, State Tournament Edition
The brackets list Konner Lambers’ record as 47-6, same as my records. They list Joey Thamann’s record as 37-11, while my records have him at 38-11.*
Who were the last two Panthers to go to the Schott in the same year with at least 38 wins each?
Your answer need NOT be in the form of a question. The winner receives nothing. Good luck.**

*This happens every year, invariably a few of my records don’t match the records the team provides for the sectional meet. The team uses MatBoss to keep stats (or at least they used to), so I’m pretty sure my records are in error. The thing is, I can never figure out where I went wrong; it is quite vexing.
**Current members of the Elder wrestling coaching staff and their immediate families are not eligible to participate. Retired coaches are ok. Void where prohibited.
 
Pantherontheporch said:
POTP Whiz of a Whizzer™ Trivia Question, State Tournament Edition
The brackets list Konner Lambers’ record as 47-6, same as my records. They list Joey Thamann’s record as 37-11, while my records have him at 38-11.*
Who were the last two Panthers to go to the Schott in the same year with at least 38 wins each?
Your answer need NOT be in the form of a question. The winner receives nothing. Good luck.**

*This happens every year, invariably a few of my records don’t match the records the team provides for the sectional meet. The team uses MatBoss to keep stats (or at least they used to), so I’m pretty sure my records are in error. The thing is, I can never figure out where I went wrong; it is quite vexing.
**Current members of the Elder wrestling coaching staff and their immediate families are not eligible to participate. Retired coaches are ok. Void where prohibited.
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This more than likely would have had to be done after say, 2013. I don't believe we wrestled anywhere near that many matches prior to State Tourney. And in the 70's and 80's they wrestled even less matches. Lots of tournaments now and double elimination add a ton of matches (plus team tourneys that get you at least 5 matches in a day.
 
Pantherontheporch said:
POTP Whiz of a Whizzer™ Trivia Question, State Tournament Edition
The brackets list Konner Lambers’ record as 47-6, same as my records. They list Joey Thamann’s record as 37-11, while my records have him at 38-11.*
Who were the last two Panthers to go to the Schott in the same year with at least 38 wins each?
Your answer need NOT be in the form of a question. The winner receives nothing. Good luck.**

*This happens every year, invariably a few of my records don’t match the records the team provides for the sectional meet. The team uses MatBoss to keep stats (or at least they used to), so I’m pretty sure my records are in error. The thing is, I can never figure out where I went wrong; it is quite vexing.
**Current members of the Elder wrestling coaching staff and their immediate families are not eligible to participate. Retired coaches are ok. Void where prohibited.
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2016-2017 season my boys sophomore year.
Jake Meredith
Connor Craig
Austin Murphy
Ti’ric Evans
Antonio McCloud
Alec Moore- Nash
 
Not the answer to the trivia question, but in 2011, going in to the state tournament, Kevin Hyland had 42 wins (47 matches) and Nick Nusekabel had 38 wins (41 matches). So they would meet the criteria - but it wasn't 2011. It also wasn't 2017 (Belcher missed one for once...lol) - but I won't give away the answer!

We definitely wrestle more matches (especially this year with CIT going to a pools to bracket format), but going back through some records, Spatola (1998-2001) wrestled 166 matches and Spence (2001-2004) wrestled 168 matches, so both averaged over 40 matches a year and that was over 20 years ago. In 2009, Scales wrestled 48 matches without ever being in a loser brackets (when you usually wrack up more matches). It looks like we will have 5 guys with 50+ this year which is probably the most ever in one season. Again, the CIT deciding to change their format is a big part of that this season (which I'm not really in favor of, but so be it).

Also, I found the discrepancy in Thamann's record. At Delaware Hayes, he had a Forfeit win over Brady Little (teammate) that never made it into Matboss. So you are correct, his record technically stands at 38-11 and will be corrected in our records before the end of the year banquet. Thanks!

Thanks for all of the support!
 
Coach McCoy said:
This more than likely would have had to be done after say, 2013. I don't believe we wrestled anywhere near that many matches prior to State Tourney. And in the 70's and 80's they wrestled even less matches. Lots of tournaments now and double elimination add a ton of matches (plus team tourneys that get you at least 5 matches in a day.
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Am I wrong in thinking that back in the 80s, getting to 20 wins was a big deal??
 
ogealbhain said:
Am I wrong in thinking that back in the 80s, getting to 20 wins was a big deal??
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There are Elder wrestlers from the 1980's that had over 120 career matches (so around 30 a season).
I would say by the mid-1990s the average was around 35 a year.
By mid-2000s the average was around 40 a year.
Now, I'd say its 40-45 a year.
Even in my 10 years as the head coach at Elder, more than 50 matches in a season is VERY rare. We wrestled more matches this year than ever before.
 
Pantherontheporch said:
POTP Whiz of a Whizzer™ Trivia Question, State Tournament Edition
The brackets list Konner Lambers’ record as 47-6, same as my records. They list Joey Thamann’s record as 37-11, while my records have him at 38-11.*
Who were the last two Panthers to go to the Schott in the same year with at least 38 wins each?
Your answer need NOT be in the form of a question. The winner receives nothing. Good luck.**

*This happens every year, invariably a few of my records don’t match the records the team provides for the sectional meet. The team uses MatBoss to keep stats (or at least they used to), so I’m pretty sure my records are in error. The thing is, I can never figure out where I went wrong; it is quite vexing.
**Current members of the Elder wrestling coaching staff and their immediate families are not eligible to participate. Retired coaches are ok. Void where prohibited.
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I’ll take the next year , 2017-2018 my boys junior year, Charles Sanders
Antonio McCloud
 
Mbelcher14 said:
2016-2017 season my boys sophomore year.
Jake Meredith
Connor Craig
Austin Murphy
Ti’ric Evans
Antonio McCloud
Alec Moore- Nash
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Great guess, but unfortunately, as Coach Roush indicated, it is not correct. Sorry.
Mbelcher14 said:
I’ll take the next year , 2017-2018 my boys junior year, Charles Sanders
Antonio McCloud
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Ding! Ding! We have a winner! Sanders was 38-8 and McCloud was 40-4 going to the Schott.
You think about that team, and maybe you think Alec Moore-Nash? No, he was 32-6. “Ironman” Chucky Lipps? Sorry, 35-11. Austin Murphy? Close, but only 36-2. Willie D? Even closer, but just shy at 37-7.
 
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JasonRoush said:
Not the answer to the trivia question, but in 2011, going in to the state tournament, Kevin Hyland had 42 wins (47 matches) and Nick Nusekabel had 38 wins (41 matches). So they would meet the criteria - but it wasn't 2011. It also wasn't 2017 (Belcher missed one for once...lol) - but I won't give away the answer!

We definitely wrestle more matches (especially this year with CIT going to a pools to bracket format), but going back through some records, Spatola (1998-2001) wrestled 166 matches and Spence (2001-2004) wrestled 168 matches, so both averaged over 40 matches a year and that was over 20 years ago. In 2009, Scales wrestled 48 matches without ever being in a loser brackets (when you usually wrack up more matches). It looks like we will have 5 guys with 50+ this year which is probably the most ever in one season. Again, the CIT deciding to change their format is a big part of that this season (which I'm not really in favor of, but so be it).

Also, I found the discrepancy in Thamann's record. At Delaware Hayes, he had a Forfeit win over Brady Little (teammate) that never made it into Matboss. So you are correct, his record technically stands at 38-11 and will be corrected in our records before the end of the year banquet. Thanks!

Thanks for all of the support!
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I agree a bit on the "Total" matches thing Coach Roush but the question was "total" WINS going into the State meet. As for Hyland and Nusekabel, those were their total wins on the season and at that State meet they both won at least 4 matches, so Only Hyland had 38 going into the tourney.

I think if you look at the total wins (records) list and evaluate it, you will find out that most of the kids at the top are from after the year 2000. The interesting thing would be to do a win percentage on those kids to see how many matches they had. Getting in the wrestle backs of most tourneys and placing gives you more matches total. In the 70's and 80's we wrestled a lot less tournaments (hence less matches).

Ogealbhain, spoke of total "wins" in the 80's and he is very accurate. winning 20 matches in that time frame was a lot because of the above statement as far as tournaments are concerned. I mean, our banquet program recognizes 25 win seasons (not sure if it still does now) and that list was not very big until the mid to late 90's.

What I do miss is the archieved list that used to be on the ehsports site. That information is gone forever (I am sure it is somewhere but not sure where) and was an excellent source of information. It was every year of Elder Wrestling going back to it's inception.

Will be interesting to see what the answer is.

Coach McCoy
 
ogealbhain said:
Am I wrong in thinking that back in the 80s, getting to 20 wins was a big deal??
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You are not wrong, it was a Big deal. Times have changed and we wrestle a ton more matches than back then. 20 wins is still good but not that hard to reach because of the amount of matches/tournaments wrestled.
 
JasonRoush said:
Not the answer to the trivia question, but in 2011, going in to the state tournament, Kevin Hyland had 42 wins (47 matches) and Nick Nusekabel had 38 wins (41 matches). So they would meet the criteria - but it wasn't 2011. It also wasn't 2017 (Belcher missed one for once...lol) - but I won't give away the answer!

We definitely wrestle more matches (especially this year with CIT going to a pools to bracket format), but going back through some records, Spatola (1998-2001) wrestled 166 matches and Spence (2001-2004) wrestled 168 matches, so both averaged over 40 matches a year and that was over 20 years ago. In 2009, Scales wrestled 48 matches without ever being in a loser brackets (when you usually wrack up more matches). It looks like we will have 5 guys with 50+ this year which is probably the most ever in one season. Again, the CIT deciding to change their format is a big part of that this season (which I'm not really in favor of, but so be it).

Also, I found the discrepancy in Thamann's record. At Delaware Hayes, he had a Forfeit win over Brady Little (teammate) that never made it into Matboss. So you are correct, his record technically stands at 38-11 and will be corrected in our records before the end of the year banquet. Thanks!

Thanks for all of the support!
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I notice I miss read your first line. My apologizes. You said "going into the tourney. I have no way of looking that information up so my guess is you are correct on the number of wins. Sorry coach.

Coach McCoy
 
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