Dynasties - Strength of Schedule

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SLCDad

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Now that the season is over, here is a SOS ranking of the top 50 national teams. Only teams in the top 50 based on power rating are included.

SOS Rank School SOS Opponents' W-L Total Games Played
1 St. Xavier (Cincinnati, OH) 42.2 515-229 63
2 Archbishop Moeller (Cincinnati, OH) 41.7 469-179-1 56
3 Elder (Cincinnati, OH) 38.7 469-215 57
4 Carroll (Southlake, TX) 36.4 555-346 77
5 Hoover (AL) 35.2 563-300 72
6 Colerain (Cincinnati, OH) 34.2 405-316 67
7 Vestavia Hills (AL) 34.1 470-282 63
8 St. Edward (Lakewood, OH) 33.8 447-229 60
9 Rockhurst (Kansas City, MO) 32.8 364-216 55
10 Trinity (Euless, TX) 32.6 457-322 68
11 Longview (TX) 32.5 447-275 61
12 Warren Central (Indianapolis, IN) 32.1 526-330 72
13 Abilene (TX) 32 454-325 67
14 Poly (Long Beach, CA) 31.4 484-298 67
15 De La Salle (Concord, CA) 31.2 492-264-2 66
16 Central Catholic (Pittsburgh, PA) 31 468-320 71
17 Lufkin (TX) 30.9 432-289 64
18 Wheaton-Warrenville South (Wheaton, IL) 29.9 423-279 68
19 Mission Viejo (CA) 29.8 415-312-3 64
20 Smithson Valley (Spring Branch, TX) 29.7 469-325 68
21 St. Joseph's (Philadelphia, PA) 28.9 423-318 63
22 Highland Park (Dallas, TX) 28.5 480-301 68
23 Blue Springs South (Blue Springs, MO) 28.5 324-231 53
24 St. Xavier (Louisville, KY) 28.3 562-311 71
25 Notre Dame (Sherman Oaks, CA) 28.1 470-289 65
26 Lowell (MI) 27.8 400-244 71
27 Westfield (Houston, TX) 27.4 427-298 64
28 Upper St. Clair (PA) 27.2 355-315 63
29 Prattville (AL) 26.5 431-340 69
30 South Panola (Batesville, MS) 26.5 528-376 75
31 Trinity (Louisville, KY) 26.5 498-339 71
32 Byrnes (Duncan, SC) 26.4 525-380 72
33 Bellevue (WA) 26.3 422-286 65
34 East Grand Rapids (Grand Rapids, MI) 26.3 418-266 65
35 Katy (TX) 26 488-349-1 74
36 St. Bonaventure (Ventura, CA) 25.6 471-330-3 69
37 Eden Prairie (MN) 25.5 356-275 61
38 Jenks (OK) 25.2 466-300 66
39 Armwood (Seffner, FL) 25 464-337 71
40 Lutheran (Orange, CA) 24.9 401-326-3 65
41 Lowndes (Valdosta, GA) 24.6 466-318 67
42 Coldwater (OH) 24 487-309 69
43 Don Bosco Prep (Ramsey, NJ) 23.5 392-236 59
44 Maryville (TN) 23.5 513-358 74
45 Independence (Charlotte, NC) 23.3 578-413 78
46 Hamilton (Chandler, AZ) 22.5 469-328 69
47 DeMatha (Hyattsville, MD) 22.4 326-285 59
48 Catholic Academy (Joliet, IL) 21.8 397-287 64
49 Everett (MA) 20.7 322-305 58
50 Driscoll Catholic (Addison, IL) 20.3 458-292 70
51 Curtis (River Ridge, LA) 20 475-304 66
 
 
Interesting.

#1 (St. X), #2 (Moeller), #3 (Elder), and #8 (Lakewood St. Edward) usually play each other every year and one or more usually end up playing #6 (Colerain) at some time or another. Even though I am a fan of the GCL South, I can't help but wonder if this artificially inflates their SOS rankings. I wonder how it would compare if you would omit them from the final calculation and extrapolate? Also, on many occasions, the schedule that Colerain plays has been questioned due to the perceived weakness of the GMC. I would say that the calculations indicate that the GMC may not be as weak as some people suppose or else Colerain would be lower on the list.

As for Lasalle, I can understand why they are not on the list because even though they play the first three every year, the rest of their schedule is usually pretty weak.

This list raises some interesting questions, not easily answered.

Thank SLCDad, for posting it.
 
UncleBaldy said:
Interesting.

#1 (St. X), #2 (Moeller), #3 (Elder), and #8 (Lakewood St. Edward) usually play each other every year and one or more usually end up playing #6 (Colerain) at some time or another. Even though I am a fan of the GCL South, I can't help but wonder if this artificially inflates their SOS rankings. I wonder how it would compare if you would omit them from the final calculation and extrapolate? Also, on many occasions, the schedule that Colerain plays has been questioned due to the perceived weakness of the GMC. I would say that the calculations indicate that the GMC may not be as weak as some people suppose or else Colerain would be lower on the list.

As for Lasalle, I can understand why they are not on the list because even though they play the first three every year, the rest of their schedule is usually pretty weak.

This list raises some interesting questions, not easily answered.

Thank SLCDad, for posting it.
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UB it is kind of circular reasoning

ST X has a tough schedule because they play Elder
ELder has a tough scheduke because they play ST X

etc
etc
 
No.

The great majority of losses these teams incur are from each other.

The reasons theri schedules are deemed strong is due to the fact that they win the vast majority of their games outside their own interplay.


If X, Elder, Moe, Eds etc lost most of the time apart from games versus one another, then they would have weak SoS.

To have strong SoS, you have to play teams that generally win, and they, in turn, have to play teams that generally win.

ST X has a tough schedule because they play Elder (who generally wins outside of X, Colerain, etc games)

ELder has a tough schedule because they play ST X (who generally wins...)
 
concha said:
No.

The great majority of losses these teams incur are from each other.

The reasons theri schedules are deemed strong is due to the fact that they win the vast majority of their games outside their own interplay.


If X, Elder, Moe, Eds etc lost most of the time apart from games versus one another, then they would have weak SoS.

To have strong SoS, you have to play teams that generally win, and they, in turn, have to play teams that generally win.

ST X has a tough schedule because they play Elder (who generally wins outside of X, Colerain, etc games)

ELder has a tough schedule because they play ST X (who generally wins...)
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as exampled by the gcl going 0-4 in the herbie last year

and needing a miracle comeback vs Independence to go 2-2 this year

despite an incredible home field advantage

and despite losing to a 5 win california team

YAWN
 
consumerman said:
as exampled by the gcl going 0-4 in the herbie last year

and needing a miracle comeback vs Independence to go 2-2 this year

despite an incredible home field advantage

and despite losing to a 5 win california team

YAWN
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IQ check on aisle "C".


It was 0-3. You're wrong yet again. But you ARE consistent!

Look at the records of Lakeland, Byrnes, DLS. Three losses between them, right? Does that INCREASE or DECREASE SoS? Don't hurt yourself thinking about it.

Consumerfused, you do realize that you are pitting a single, small league versus:

2006 Herbie:

Lakeland - a national #1
Byrnes - SC #2
DLS - you fill this one in if you can detach yourself from DLS's collective leg


2007 Herbie:

Indy - NC #2
DeMatha - Maryland state champs
MV - the one weak link I see


I may be missing some national/regional honors. A country of top teams versus a league. You're a total joke, man. Stop embarrassing yourself. Get some self-respect.
 
I guess in Ohio going 2-5 with 1 miracle win in your own backyard home field advantage equals winning a vast majority of your non league games

Elder could not even beat St. Edwards who could not score if you gave them first and goal on every series

And moeller lost to a 5 win team from California

yeah these gcl teams only lose to each other

Cough
 
concha said:
No.

The great majority of losses these teams incur are from each other.

The reasons theri schedules are deemed strong is due to the fact that they win the vast majority of their games outside their own interplay.


If X, Elder, Moe, Eds etc lost most of the time apart from games versus one another, then they would have weak SoS.

To have strong SoS, you have to play teams that generally win, and they, in turn, have to play teams that generally win.

ST X has a tough schedule because they play Elder (who generally wins outside of X, Colerain, etc games)

ELder has a tough schedule because they play ST X (who generally wins...)
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I understand what you are saying Concha, and for the most part I agree. However, would the SOS scores for St. X, Moeller, and Elder be as high (not that they wouldn't be in at least the top 25) if it weren't for the fact that all three are the top three. I like the fact that they are the top three but I think they really feed off each other. My personal opinion is that they are the best league (even though its a very small league) in the country and these rankings would reflect that. After all, if you listed every team that all three teams played (excepting the three) the list would be pretty impressive. But I am also willing to concede that I have a personal bias in this matter (I have nephews that go to or have gone to Moeller).

On a separate note, I recently received a copy of Freakonomics for Christmas which is an excellent book so far. In the book, they make it fairly obvious that people often look at statistics and interpret the results in a way that is in accordance with their personal beliefs or preconcieved notions without taking a look at the origin of the statistics and how they are generated.
 
UncleBaldy, this is really embarrassing, but I meant to send that to SLCDad.

On the other hand, it might be better if you read it, and then explained it to him.

So maybe this will work out OK.
 
Chicago said:
UncleBaldy, this is really embarrassing, but I meant to send that to SLCDad.

On the other hand, it might be better if you read it, and then explained it to him.

So maybe this will work out OK.
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#3 again. That pretty much sums up most of his posts.
 
Did it ever occur to you that your continually inane arguments led me to not like you, rather than that not liking you led me to think your arguments are inane?

Of course, if you could think that clearly, you'd probably be capable of better arguments.
 
Chicago said:
Did it ever occur to you that your continually inane arguments led me to not like you, rather than that not liking you led me to think your arguments are inane?

Of course, if you could think that clearly, you'd probably be capable of better arguments.
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Okay, I'm not even going to go near this one.
 
Chicago said:
Did it ever occur to you that your continually inane arguments led me to not like you, rather than that not liking you led me to think your arguments are inane?

Of course, if you could think that clearly, you'd probably be capable of better arguments.
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Did it ever occur to you that the vast majority of your posts don't add any value at all? You prefer to insult rather than add any value most of the time. I just scanned you last 20 posts and 75% of them were insults to several different psoters.

When you attempt to add value, it's often a joke. Your post about population per division was one of the worst arguements I've ssen in months on this board. I was tempted to laugh (as you so often do) but instead I considered the source and mvoed on.

Your posts say more about you than anything else.
 
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SLCDad said:
Did it ever occur to you that the vast majority of your posts don't add any value at all? You prefer to insult rather than add any value most of the time. I just scanned you last 20 posts and 75% of them were insults to several different psoters.

When you attempt to add value, it's often a joke. Your post about population per division was one of the worst arguements I've ssen in months on this board. I was tempted to laugh (as you so often do) but instead I considered the source and mvoed on.

Your posts say more about you than anything else.
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that is beyond comical chicago

you should take that post and frame it
 
My post about population per division was not an argument; it was information.

People were discussing section size and state size and that sort of thing, and I added information.

There was no argument.
 
Chicago,

Your humorous posts are appreciated by many (as if you needed to hear that), but of course not all. I am not surprised that the latter group would include a certain poster.
 
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