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Probably should stop discussing international and college, since this is high school only...
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careful. some are all knowing... smh
LucMurphy134
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My friend, an analogy is a helpful way to look at a complex subject and simplify it through comparison. The comparison of D1 to D3 wrestling is valid, and the sport of college wrestling is better and healthier because there are multiple divisions. I believe the same holds true for high school athletics. How we classify and break down the divisions is certainly up for debate, but having only one division IMHO weakens the product and further separates the haves from the have-nots. That's not socialism or affirmative action, in fact, I'd argue it's the opposite. It's creating better competition which ultimately propels the sport forward.
I get it, you want one division in wrestling but respectfully, you aren't making a strong argument. You are just screaming louder. Help me understand how the goal of having "one true champ" outweighs the benefit of having more participation in the state tournament. Ultimately why does it matter if a D3 kid who placed 7th, might not have qualified in a D1 district? I promise you it doesn't matter as much to the athletes as it does to you. It's just High School Wrestling after all.
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Do you realize all you are doing is complaining so you just keep being the only person on here that has any idea what he’s talking about?? You are an idiot that thinks you are right and oshaa is against you and should be you making those decisions keep it up I’m sure you will get someone to change to be how you want it lmfao
Joe Daugherty
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Hanson’s, Potakars, Adkins , Basically the 80’s at little old RH. With graduating classes of 60. Yet they still managed to beat almost every D1 program they wrestled at tournaments.
JMO but I see pros and cons. I kinda like the idea of 1 division.
Brings back memories of coaching thru the 80's and early 90's. Would personally lean to two Divisions. It would also make the team State tournament a little more interesting.
Joe Daugherty
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Would you take D2 &D3 and combine them? ?
No comparison between then and now, there will never be another Maple heights/Richmond heights dynasty and St Eds will be pushed from time to time. Open enrollment leveled the playing field, everyone knows why Graham finally were able to beat St Eds on occasion, it wasn't coaching. Just about EVERY elite wrestler starts young these days, experience is the neutralizer. Maple and Richmond were FAR ahead of everyone else in youth programs, no offense to the great Mike Milkovich but he did have an advantage due to experienced youth wrestlers, now all the top guys have that experience. I started wrestling part time in 8th grade, no camps ...no private coaching, no youth program ....It wasn't until many years later at the West end YMCA tournament that a brochure mentioned Jimmy Hanson wrestled there starting at 7 years old......of course that is extremely advantageous. We only took two to state those years, I closed the gap on Jimmy in 1 year in the semi's in the go to state bout, but not quite enough. Mike Deanna also started younger than most of us back then. Lee Kemp was an exception to the rule...however Lee Kemp didn't win his state titles against guys like Taylor...Palmer etc etc who started wrestling at 5 years old. Kemp would have been great anyways but with many more losses in high school and college IMO.
I was checking out the rankings on Flo and noticed all the weight classes had at least 1 divisional state champ in the top 10. 13 had at least 2.
Probably could put together an invite-only event with the top 16-32 individuals. This should cover all eventual champs and most anyone else who has aspirations of participating collegiately.
Probably could put together an invite-only event with the top 16-32 individuals. This should cover all eventual champs and most anyone else who has aspirations of participating collegiately.
Probably put the larger DIV 2 schools in DIV 1 and combine the smaller DIV 2 schools with DIV 3.
Joe Daugherty
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You are blowing my mind right now!
1st I believe there can be programs like MH & RH & Monroeville that can stand above the rest due to coaching.
2nd, not to be disrespectful, but I disagree that RH &MH (notice I put RH ahead of MH) had good youth programs. RH never had a youth program. What they had was Pappy and a bunch of families like the Suseks, Loushins, Potakrs, Hansons, Adkins’s, Richard’s, Hrens etc. MH had Dubell and the Milkovich family’s & youth program & they developed their youth from just bit younger then RH. All just my opinion and what I believed as a wrestler.
Pappy was never my Coach, He was around and did play a major part in developing the limited talent we had in the mid to late 80’s.
Nicest thing he ever told me was “Best I ever seen you wrestle “ that’s it.
RH truly was a anomalyIn 1989, my graduating senior boy class had 30 boys. Out of 30 guys we had 5 state placers. Brian Smith, Matt Mussara, Herbie Adkins,Pat Campoletti and myself. There were others that could have placed but never got the opportunity to wrestle due to the “Murderers Row” Greg Lienweber, Tony Crytzer & Jeff Howley we’re Bad arses.
West End was the youth program that launched so many successful careers. From the Hanson family to Billy Spleet and Scotty Petch to God knows how many more. That was RH’s youth program.
Broke my heart when Misses Hunter called me and asked if I would like my photo back because they were no longer allowed to have them in the showcase.
Kinda wild that RH doesn’t even have a wrestling program anymore.
I apologize for the rambling. You just mentioned names and brought back memories I haven’t thought about in 30 plus years. ?
Joe, thanks for trip back in time. A theme that strikes me is that many of those great smaller community teams had large families with lots of brothers or cousins wrestling for teams in consecutive years. Having other siblings going through a sport can help decrease the learning curve much quicker for both athlete but especially the parent.
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Going off on a tangent (somewhat), but just another small example of the decline of the middle class family and its impact on wrestling.
Redflagday
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Back when you wrestled with kids in your neighborhood and could ride your bike to practice