Covid-19, did America fail upward?

[oxat622]

BA.2, where are you? Dominant strain hasn't shown signs of starting a surge | CNN

The Omicron subvariant caused as many as 3 in 4 cases of Covid-19 in the United States last week, according to the latest genomic surveillance from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; so far, there are no signs of a looming surge in the US.

www.cnn.com

If BA.2 does go quietly, it may be because the US did such a poor job of stopping transmission of Omicron and the variants that came before it, that we have failed upward, bungling our way to a high level of immune protection.

BA.1 and BA 1.1 ran rampant in the US over the winter, as people abandoned mask wearing and largely resumed their holiday plans.

“That spike was just massive. It was like nothing we’ve seen before,” says Marina Matus, president and CEO of Biobot Analytics, a company that that’s been testing wastewater for local counties and other sewersheds across the US since 2020.

Debate the past all we want, but the American way of life right now feels pretty good. Today, we're in a better place than China and Australia who are proving that a zero-Covid stance is not sustainable on a long enough timeline. The strain usurping Omicron (aka BA.1) for the most dominant strain is not causing increased hospitalizations. In fact, I've read we are at the lowest number of Covid-related hospitalizations since April 2020.

 

[winbypin]

People are still paying attention to this crap?

Most of what you've posted has been predicted by many on here for a couple years now.

 

[oxat622]

People are still paying attention to this crap?

Most of what you've posted has been predicted by many on here for a couple years now.

I'm aware of that. But let's not forget what it cost to get us here.

 

[winbypin]

I'm aware of that. But let's not forget what it cost to get us here.

What did it cost us?

 

[cabezadecaballo]

BA.2, where are you? Dominant strain hasn't shown signs of starting a surge | CNN

The Omicron subvariant caused as many as 3 in 4 cases of Covid-19 in the United States last week, according to the latest genomic surveillance from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention; so far, there are no signs of a looming surge in the US.

www.cnn.com

Debate the past all we want, but the American way of life right now feels pretty good. Today, we're in a better place than China and Australia who are proving that a zero-Covid stance is not sustainable on a long enough timeline. The strain usurping Omicron (aka BA.1) for the most dominant strain is not causing increased hospitalizations. In fact, I've read we are at the lowest number of Covid-related hospitalizations since April 2020.

How stupid.

This did exactly what every coronavirus has ever done aside from the long latency of the early man-made variant.

Federal Public Health policy and all things Fauci after the first round was gone was a complete failure, for political reasons.

Covid 0 is stupid, and it always was.

 

[oxat622]

What did it cost us?

Oh nothing munch, just nearly a million fellow Americans dying.

 

[AllSports12]

People are still paying attention to this crap?

Most of what you've posted has been predicted by many on here for a couple years now.

Exactly.....

Now, the people that bought into the panic/fear porn are going to give credit to the administrations (whether it be state or federal) in charge for the incredible revelation.

 

[winbypin]

Oh nothing munch, just nearly a million fellow Americans dying.

People die. It's the final, natural part of life. It should humble you a little to learn that man, despite all of our amazing technological breakthroughs, can be at the mercy of a microscopic virus sometimes. That nature can't really be controlled like you thought.

But instead you're going to double or triple down on "we should have done better"

 

[BigSportzGuy]

I never thought I'd live to see that day CNN admits natural immunity works.

 

[oxat622]

People die. It's the final, natural part of life. It should humble you a little to learn that man, despite all of our amazing technological breakthroughs, can be at the mercy of a microscopic virus sometimes. That nature can't really be controlled like you thought.

But instead you're going to double or triple down on "we should have done better"

If you were to look at the total number of Americans who died in each year between, say, 2015-2019, you could make reasonable predictions on those same figures for 2020 and 2021 if Covid never happened. Where total death figures ended up in 2020 and 2021 were significantly higher than what those reasonable predictions would have been. I've done the research on this for 2020 and early 2021 and posted those findings on this site a long time ago. I'm sure I could dig them back up.

 

[winbypin]

If you were to look at the total number of Americans who died in each year between, say, 2015-2019, you could make reasonable predictions on those same figures for 2020 and 2021 if Covid never happened. Where total death figures ended up in 2020 and 2021 were significantly higher than what those reasonable predictions would have been. I've done the research on this for 2020 and early 2021 and posted those findings on this site a long time ago. I'm sure I could dig them back up.

So? Is someone saying the people didn't actually die? Yes....the predictions are reasonably accurate NORMALLY. Of course they don't take into account a new virus that is very tough on the weakest of our population.

You still believing we could somehow control the course of this virus is amusing though. It was going to do what it was going to do regardless of our efforts.

 

[oxat622]

China is a really interesting case right now. The ratio of total vaccine doses administered to their total population is greater than 2 (WAAAAAYYYYY better than the US). Their cases are skyrocketing, but it is not clear whether this is resulting in a surge in hospitalizations and deaths.

Whole of Shanghai enters COVID lockdown despite lower symptomatic cases

Chinese authorities on Tuesday extended a lockdown in Shanghai to cover all of the financial centre's 26 million people, despite growing anger over quarantine rules in the city, where latest results show only 268 symptomatic daily COVID-19 cases.

www.reuters.com

Chinese authorities on Tuesday extended a lockdown in Shanghai to cover all of the financial centre's 26 million people, despite growing anger over quarantine rules in the city, where latest results show only 268 symptomatic daily COVID-19 cases.

In a major test of China's zero-tolerance strategy to eliminate the novel coronavirus, the government widened the lockdown to eastern parts of the city and extended until further notice restrictions in western districts, which had been due to expire on Tuesday.


The broader lockdown came after testing saw asymptomatic COVID-19 cases surge to more than 13,000. Symptomatic cases fell on Monday to 268, from 425 the previous day.

Shanghai's quarantine policy has been criticised for separating children from parents and putting asymptomatic cases among those with symptoms. Wu did not comment on the uproar over family separations. On Monday she insisted that children who tested positive had to be kept apart.

The conclusions I gather from this is that the vaccines WORK! That is, if your definition of work is to reduce the chances that you'll need to be hospitalized. I don't care about cases if they don't amount to something else.

The other conclusion is that China is exhibiting way more caution than they probably need to.

 

[oxat622]

So? Is someone saying the people didn't actually die? Yes....the predictions are reasonably accurate NORMALLY. Of course they don't take into account a new virus that is very tough on the weakest of our population.

You still believing we could somehow control the course of this virus is amusing though. It was going to do what it was going to do regardless of our efforts.

I suppose I choose to be less trivial about the weakest of our population, as if they were already on their death beds to begin with.

 

[cabezadecaballo]

Exactly.....

Now, the people that bought into the panic/fear porn are going to give credit to the administrations (whether it be state or federal) in charge for the incredible revelation.

il Fauci was fluffing the fear porn for more "Covid emergency funding" on Bloomberg y-day. What a little turd.

 

[AllSports12]

I never thought I'd live to see that day CNN admits natural immunity works.

You'll never see the day however, that CNN admits that they should have admitted this two years ago.

 

[winbypin]

I suppose I choose to be less trivial about the weakest of our population, as if they were already on their death beds to begin with.

Not being trivial at all. I just understand death happens. 100% of all of us will die at some point. It's sad for their families and friends. Do you normally care this much for the other 2 million or so Americans that die every year without covid?

 

[winbypin]

Oxat being a good little sheep. Reading the covid stories. Thinking about it. Trying to keep it relevant. In the meantime....the rest of the country has moved on.

 

[oxat622]

Not being trivial at all. I just understand death happens. 100% of all of us will die at some point. It's sad for their families and friends. Do you normally care this much for the other 2 million or so Americans that die every year without covid?

You're bypassing my point, a point that has been supported with hard evidence. I guess where's the line for you? At what point do deaths on a small enough timeline become so much greater than expected, influenced by a common phenomenon, that you would no longer say "so what, death is inevitable?"

 

[oxat622]

Oxat being a good little sheep. Reading the covid stories. Thinking about it. Trying to keep it relevant. In the meantime....the rest of the country has moved on.

Oh cool. Do you see me here advocating for beginning mask mandates or renewing vaccine requirements for businesses?

This is the debate forum and you're participating in a thread. Now you're gatekeeping that thread? Fall back with that.

 

[cabezadecaballo]

China is a really interesting case right now. The ratio of total vaccine doses administered to their total population is greater than 2 (WAAAAAYYYYY better than the US). Their cases are skyrocketing, but it is not clear whether this is resulting in a surge in hospitalizations and deaths.

Whole of Shanghai enters COVID lockdown despite lower symptomatic cases

Chinese authorities on Tuesday extended a lockdown in Shanghai to cover all of the financial centre's 26 million people, despite growing anger over quarantine rules in the city, where latest results show only 268 symptomatic daily COVID-19 cases.

www.reuters.com

The conclusions I gather from this is that the vaccines WORK! That is, if your definition of work is to reduce the chances that you'll need to be hospitalized. I don't care about cases if they don't amount to something else.

The other conclusion is that China is exhibiting way more caution than they probably need to.

Have you considered that Xi could be using Covid and his dictatorial power to play economic games..........

 

[cabezadecaballo]

Oh cool. Do you see me here advocating for beginning mask mandates or renewing vaccine requirements for businesses?

This is the debate forum and you're participating in a thread. Now you're gatekeeping that thread? Fall back with that.

Or just fall right out of the thread...... ?‍

 

[oxat622]

Have you considered that Xi could be using Covid and his dictatorial power to play economic games..........

to what end, do you think?

 

[winbypin]

You're bypassing my point, a point that has been supported with hard evidence. I guess where's the line for you? At what point do deaths on a small enough timeline become so much greater than expected, influenced by a common phenomenon, that you would no longer say "so what, death is inevitable?"

Hard evidence? You mean more people died than the models predicted? I said 2 years ago the virus will run it's course and that we can't control it. Here we are. Its ran/still running it's course and we still can't control it. What reaction are you thinking I should be exhibiting in response to these people dying? Other than reading the news and posting in yappi how are you reacting to this situation?

At what point will you realize some things are just simply out of your control?

 

[chs1971]

What was the failure?

 

[winbypin]

Oh cool. Do you see me here advocating for beginning mask mandates or renewing vaccine requirements for businesses?

This is the debate forum and you're participating in a thread. Now you're gatekeeping that thread? Fall back with that.

I have no doubt that you would be leading the charge for mask mandates and vaccine mandates if cases & hospitalizations jumped up again. In this thread you have already stated "vaccines work". In previous threads you said you felt the mask mandates from 2020-2021 kept the cases from going even higher than we experienced. You have an avatar with a bust wearing a mask for crying out loud. You BELIEVE those things work and want more people to participate in vaccinations. Previously you have said the only way out is if everyone did more to help their fellow man.

And I am not gatekeeping anything. Simply pointing out you're doing your part in trying to keep this thing alive.

 

[OldSoulon]

Oh nothing munch, just nearly a million fellow Americans dying.

A guy goes to the ER with a massive heart attack. He is stabilized and before he is sent to ICU, he is swabbed for a COVID test, with a positive result.

Two days later, he dies.

Quick: is he counted among your million dead?

 

[oxat622]

I have no doubt that you would be leading the charge for mask mandates and vaccine mandates if cases & hospitalizations jumped up again. In this thread you have already stated "vaccines work". In previous threads you said you felt the mask mandates from 2020-2021 kept the cases from going even higher than we experienced. You have an avatar with a bust wearing a mask for crying out loud. You BELIEVE those things work and want more people to participate in vaccinations. Previously you have said the only way out is if everyone did more to help their fellow man.

And I am not gatekeeping anything. Simply pointing out you're doing your part in trying to keep this thing alive.

I have also held the opinion for more than a year, an opinion I have posted on this site, that it was not necessary to reintroduce mask mandates, and that includes during the December/January surge.

All I've done here is post a link to a story that is reflective in nature that I thought brought new interesting information to the topic. You're the one asking me questions about positions I made here in the past, then when I answer them (because I don't want thisisinsane to come in here barking about me dodging questions) you complain that I'm keeping this alive.

 

[oxat622]

A guy goes to the ER with a massive heart attack. He is stabilized and before he is sent to ICU, he is swabbed for a COVID test, with a positive result.

Two days later, he dies.

Quick: is he counted among your million dead?

He's counted among the total number of people dead.

But - the numbers I found in the past of total Covid-related deaths in a calendar year were very, very close to equaling the increase in total deaths over what could be reasonably predicted.

 

[winbypin]

I have also held the opinion for more than a year, an opinion I have posted on this site, that it was not necessary to reintroduce mask mandates, and that includes during the December/January surge.

All I've done here is post a link to a story that is reflective in nature that I thought brought new interesting information to the topic. You're the one asking me questions about positions I made here in the past, then when I answer them (because I don't want thisisinsane to come in here barking about me dodging questions) you complain that I'm keeping this alive.

Not complaining that you're keeping it alive....just pointing out you're doing your part in keeping it alive. Baaa baaaaa

 

[thisisinsane]

I have also held the opinion for more than a year, an opinion I have posted on this site, that it was not necessary to reintroduce mask mandates, and that includes during the December/January surge.

All I've done here is post a link to a story that is reflective in nature that I thought brought new interesting information to the topic. You're the one asking me questions about positions I made here in the past, then when I answer them (because I don't want thisisinsane to come in here barking about me dodging questions) you complain that I'm keeping this alive.

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