Philly_Cat
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Lots of promises and everything looks good on the slide show but what is actually provided has not lived up to what was promised on a basic level.
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Lots of promises and everything looks good on the slide show but what is actually provided has not lived up to what was promised on a basic level.
You shouldn’t believe everything you hear from the town hall meeting. Lots of promises and everything looks good on the slide show but what is actually provided has not lived up to what was promised on a basic level. Heard there will be lots of movement this year.
I'll have to disagree with you on #1... the DA has absolutely been driven and marketed as the avenue to the NT. Player development is focused solely on the top 2-3 kids on each roster with the rest getting what they get as a by-product.That meeting isn't a response to any critiscm. It's a normal informational meeting for all current or prospective parents and players. Nothing he said is some change from this year for the next. You really think those guys are watching Yappi and changing their club based on the fools here??? Lol
That's what's been so frustrating on this board. The DA has never marketed itself as an "avenue to the top," whether that be the national team or the pros. Hell, it has never even said it's the way to college either. It HAS said that USA Soccer wanted a program like the DA so that it could better identify players it may want for the national program by having them in a controlled environment where they also had better access to them (it is mandatory that a certain percentage of DA games be attended by US soccer recruits). But the #1 goal is to provide the best environment for players to train and maximize their development.
The 2nd part about also maximizing their growth into adults is more the club goal rather than DA. I know that is a big part of CU/CUP. I can't speak for Kings Hammer, but I'm sure they aren't much different, as this is something most all clubs work to achieve. Some just have it as more of a priority than others. Don't get it twisted, you are choosing the DA for its elite level training and competition. Anything else is just icing on the cake.
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There is NOBODY that isn't getting substantial game playing time on a DA team. There are minimum start rules for that very reason. People have overexaggarated the international rules. Are you also going to say that by using the FIFA rules players are unprepared for the college game? That's usually the next one. Because of course limited substitutions and clock counting up instead of down is going to have kids completely forget how to play soccer.I'll have to disagree with you on #1... the DA has absolutely been driven and marketed as the avenue to the NT. Player development is focused solely on the top 2-3 kids on each roster with the rest getting what they get as a by-product.
The international substitution rules and the lock-down on playing games for other teams are detrimental to the 14 kids on an 18 girl roster that only get half a game once a week (if that)....
Training in the DA is great, because it's with the best girls in the region (sorry OE), but the ability to actually play the game is unnecessarily restrictive. This is not the fault of the local DA, but is a function of the US Girls DA and its one-dimensional goal to get girls into the National Team.
You shouldn’t believe everything you hear from the town hall meeting. Lots of promises and everything looks good on the slide show but what is actually provided has not lived up to what was promised on a basic level. Heard there will be lots of movement this year.
I'll have to disagree with you on #1... the DA has absolutely been driven and marketed as the avenue to the NT. Player development is focused solely on the top 2-3 kids on each roster with the rest getting what they get as a by-product.
The international substitution rules and the lock-down on playing games for other teams are detrimental to the 14 kids on an 18 girl roster that only get half a game once a week (if that)....
Training in the DA is great, because it's with the best girls in the region (sorry OE), but the ability to actually play the game is unnecessarily restrictive. This is not the fault of the local DA, but is a function of the US Girls DA and its one-dimensional goal to get girls into the National Team.
Do the math. 18 players on a team. 11 on the field. 3-4 kids that are "on the national team watch list" will play the whole game, every game. The rest are left with playing 1/2 a match. ONCE a week at best, more like 3 times/month for 10 months...There is NOBODY that isn't getting substantial game playing time on a DA team. There are minimum start rules for that very reason. People have overexaggarated the international rules. Are you also going to say that by using the FIFA rules players are unprepared for the college game? That's usually the next one. Because of course limited substitutions and clock counting up instead of down is going to have kids completely forget how to play soccer.
And saying only a few kids get real training and the rest get whatever is left isn't even worth addressing.
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Let's say it's true that 3 or 4 players play all of every game (which I disagree with). Please tell me on what team in any environment where playing time is equal? How about high school? Which is what people seem to be upset that DA kids aren't allowed to play. How many times do you see kids on high school rosters that get close to zero playing time for an entire season? But hey, we can ignore that since they are representing their schools and communities.Do the math. 18 players on a team. 11 on the field. 3-4 kids that are "on the national team watch list" will play the whole game, every game. The rest are left with playing 1/2 a match. ONCE a week at best, more like 3 times/month for 10 months...
The DA will tout its "encouragement" of playing players up an age-group, but really doesn't address the other great players that aren't getting meaningful time playing the game.
All this would be a moot point if those same kids could go play on their second-level team to get more meaningful minutes (just like the real NT rostered players would). But you have to be kidding if you think playing 1/2 a game is meaningful.
Well, there were absolutely 0 promises made during the meeting. I'd like to hear what they don't provide that was in the slide show. Please be specific and factual.
Careful here... US Soccer mandates 4 training sessions per week and CDA adheres to this requirement. Games are not generally doubled up and are about 3 per month on average. There is really no downtime in the winter and the summer showcase goes through the end of June, so it really is a 10 month season. This is all available on the ussoccer girls DA site. If anything, OVER training has to become an issue.Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Training is the emphasis in DA?
Games are twice a week (Saturday/Sunday, usually). Many times a Friday and/or Monday is utilized as a travel day OR rehab.prep day. That means four of the seven days are booked with competition, travel, and/or rehab/prep. So, that means three days of potential, meaningful training in a week. Within that three days, there's possibly another rehab day, prep day, or walk through.
How is that valuing training? The DA shares a field for their training, so most of the time there's one goal (at best) utilized for one team. Truly, how many meaningful training days would there be then?
No games from June 10, 2018 to September 8, 2018 (according to USSDA website). Another break from December 9, 2018 to February 2, 2019. That is a 3-month break in the summer and a 2-month break in the winter. Five months off of competition in the year, sure that will lead to more training. That also means that inside of competitive season (7 months) that training could be viewed as less than meaningful.
I'm not going to look at the game cards for each game and figure out minutes for each player. I dont care that much to dig that deep. What I did see by looking at each team's page is that no player on any team has started 100% of the games. So just by that it would be impossible for any kid to have played all of every game.Careful here... US Soccer mandates 4 training sessions per week and CDA adheres to this requirement. Games are not generally doubled up and are about 3 per month on average. There is really no downtime in the winter and the summer showcase goes through the end of June, so it really is a 10 month season. This is all available on the ussoccer girls DA site. If anything, OVER training has to become an issue.
This being said, the kids in the local DA are without a doubt getting better because they are focused on training and they train with the best. It’s just a matter of whether missing out on the development that comes with playing the game takes a larger toll than what kids of this caliber ought to get during their teenage years.
Philly - Go look at the minutes per game on the DA website per player and you’ll determine very quickly which kids are “on the watch list” and which ones get half a game every week... nobody’s saying they get no minutes, but the focus is most certainly on the top 2-4 and NOT on the other 14. This is pretty consistent across the DA. My point is that the DA does itself a dis-service by not providing pathways for the roster spots 5-18.
Also, you’re kidding yourself if you think there is movement throughout the season from 2nd team to 1st team in an age group. More likely that a younger player already in the DA is pulled up.
Careful here... US Soccer mandates 4 training sessions per week and CDA adheres to this requirement. Games are not generally doubled up and are about 3 per month on average. There is really no downtime in the winter and the summer showcase goes through the end of June, so it really is a 10 month season. This is all available on the ussoccer girls DA site. If anything, OVER training has to become an issue.
I'll be interested now that the "Pre" Da is dead what happens to those girls. I know what I have heard so it'll be interesting. Lots of high caliber girls on those teams at all ages who still wanted to play High School that were hoping for a chance (that never came anyway) to make it to the DA to play at a higher level.
I think the other piece that is missing is WHAT you are playing for. When the 10-month season is all said and done, there's no real TEAM accomplishment to be able to look back on... winning State Cup, Regions, and then Nationals are all legit things that help to put some nearer-term gratification behind the work that's gone on.The biggest reasons to abandon the DA locally and they are the reasons I'm hearing from parents who's kids are playing are two fold.
One is WHO you play against. There is a total lack of competition. You need to play teams that can compete. Honestly the midwest region of the DA is terrible. Many cases they would be better off playing top division of National League than many of the DA teams. And the MW conf is not alone with this issue.
And the other is WHO you are playing for. That means something to girls. BP was the best thing that ever happened to CUP and the DA. And while the Lilliputian king of self importance is trying to fill those shoes, all the false accolades in the world stuffed in there would not make them fit.
I'll be interested now that the "Pre" Da is dead what happens to those girls. I know what I have heard so it'll be interesting. Lots of high caliber girls on those teams at all ages who still wanted to play High School that were hoping for a chance (that never came anyway) to make it to the DA to play at a higher level.
I think the other piece that is missing is WHAT you are playing for. When the 10-month season is all said and done, there's no real TEAM accomplishment to be able to look back on... winning State Cup, Regions, and then Nationals are all legit things that help to put some nearer-term gratification behind the work that's gone on.
The biggest reasons to abandon the DA locally and they are the reasons I'm hearing from parents who's kids are playing are two fold.
One is WHO you play against. There is a total lack of competition. You need to play teams that can compete. Honestly the midwest region of the DA is terrible. Many cases they would be better off playing top division of National League than many of the DA teams. And the MW conf is not alone with this issue.
And the other is WHO you are playing for. That means something to girls. BP was the best thing that ever happened to CUP and the DA. And while the Lilliputian king of self importance is trying to fill those shoes, all the false accolades in the world stuffed in there would not make them fit.
I'll be interested now that the "Pre" Da is dead what happens to those girls. I know what I have heard so it'll be interesting. Lots of high caliber girls on those teams at all ages who still wanted to play High School that were hoping for a chance (that never came anyway) to make it to the DA to play at a higher level.
That doesn't really make sense. Did they want to play high school or did they want to play DA? It cant be both, but you're saying kids played PreDA because they wanted to play high school, but also wanted to play DA.
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Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. Training is the emphasis in DA?
Games are twice a week (Saturday/Sunday, usually). Many times a Friday and/or Monday is utilized as a travel day OR rehab.prep day. That means four of the seven days are booked with competition, travel, and/or rehab/prep. So, that means three days of potential, meaningful training in a week. Within that three days, there's possibly another rehab day, prep day, or walk through.
How is that valuing training? The DA shares a field for their training, so most of the time there's one goal (at best) utilized for one team. Truly, how many meaningful training days would there be then?
No games from June 10, 2018 to September 8, 2018 (according to USSDA website). Another break from December 9, 2018 to February 2, 2019. That is a 3-month break in the summer and a 2-month break in the winter. Five months off of competition in the year, sure that will lead to more training. That also means that inside of competitive season (7 months) that training could be viewed as less than meaningful.
How do you figure there is only one goal since they have access to other goals or training goals they can use if needed? I know when I train a team I usually have half a field and I have access to training goals. Many times I need to work on things that don't even require full size goals. The ECNL is in the same boat for training too. You also seem to be assuming that all the DA stuff is done away from Cincinnati. How many games are played here an involve only driving to Grooms, Withrow or another location? Three sessions a week and 2 matches is plenty or you get into overuse injuries like you see in HS where they train or have matches upto 6 days a week. I am sure DR and other DA coaches know when their teams need a lighter training day and they do walk throughs, have "no contact" days, or watch videos to help rest players. Seems to me from what I see both the ECNL and DA value training.
The biggest reasons to abandon the DA locally and they are the reasons I'm hearing from parents who's kids are playing are two fold.
One is WHO you play against. There is a total lack of competition. You need to play teams that can compete. Honestly the midwest region of the DA is terrible. Many cases they would be better off playing top division of National League than many of the DA teams. And the MW conf is not alone with this issue.
And the other is WHO you are playing for. That means something to girls. BP was the best thing that ever happened to CUP and the DA. And while the Lilliputian king of self importance is trying to fill those shoes, all the false accolades in the world stuffed in there would not make them fit.
I'll be interested now that the "Pre" Da is dead what happens to those girls. I know what I have heard so it'll be interesting. Lots of high caliber girls on those teams at all ages who still wanted to play High School that were hoping for a chance (that never came anyway) to make it to the DA to play at a higher level.
You do realize that the CDA training sessions can be watched in person?
Yes they can be watched. At Withrow I have seen 4 full size goals used, Deerpark only has 2 full size goals they bring 2 more collapsible goals and Grooms they access to 4 full size goals and 4 9v9 goals if they need them for a training sessions. Looks like the myth about only having one goal is BUSTED..
At both grooms and voa the boys also use the full sized training goals. I've never felt like facilities and equipment have ever been an issue for training, whether they are outdoors or indoors. I'll speak for the boys side on that though.Yes they can be watched. At Withrow I have seen 4 full size goals used, Deerpark only has 2 full size goals they bring 2 more collapsible goals and Grooms they access to 4 full size goals and 4 9v9 goals if they need them for a training sessions. Looks like the myth about only having one goal is BUSTED..
At both grooms and voa the boys also use the full sized training goals. I've never felt like facilities and equipment have ever been an issue for training, whether they are outdoors or indoors. I'll speak for the boys side on that though.
I think people are really starting to reach now. I feel like the DA is being compared to MLS clubs as a standard and not instead against other youth clubs in the area, since that is who the choice is between. Where does OE train? Serious question, since all I know is the one park off of Rialto.
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I'll be interested now that the "Pre" Da is dead what happens to those girls. I know what I have heard so it'll be interesting. Lots of high caliber girls on those teams at all ages who still wanted to play High School that were hoping for a chance (that never came anyway) to make it to the DA to play at a higher level.
US Soccer has changed its stance and will recognize CUP, KHA, and "partner clubs" as developmental feeders into CDA... so pretty much the same sub-structure as what CUP DA does on the boys side.They will go back to CUP or KHA (if they want the chance to play DA). CUP and KHA are now recognized as feeder clubs for the DA by US Soccer, so they can be pulled up to DA teams when the need arises. Pre DA was only created to have a pool of kids to pull from while also having a product for kids to still play high school.