Birds and other Animals

chs1971 said:
Cats?
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Gulliotine said:
You have never been allowed to legally shoot any wild animal in the city limits unless that municipality holds a management hunt. I have no idea what you're confused about here.
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I'm not confused about anything. You're repeating what I already said, we can't kill them. What're you confused about?
 
Gulliotine said:
The breast is really the only thing worth eating. Remove all skin and fat. Slice it cross-grain into 1/2 inch thick "steaks." Roll the steaks in seasoned flour and fry on medium heat to medium rare/medium doneness.
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I've only eaten it Restaurants. Take for instance the Geese on golf course. Just wondering how safe?
 
About 15 years ago during a major snowstorm I decided to walk to the closest bar. Besides snowmobiles nothing was moving. On my way home I noticed something moving out in a drift between two woods...being drunk and in full explorer mode I went to find a racoon matted with snow trying to get through his normal rout. Yes I know about coons and have hunted and trapped them in my youth, but he looked desperate and I was pretty much bullet proof with my Carhart's and leather gloves and 6 pack of Budweiser in the belly...I carried the beast about 200' to a area over the fence in the woods where he could carry on with his mission.
 
gneiss rocks said:
About 15 years ago during a major snowstorm I decided to walk to the closest bar. Besides snowmobiles nothing was moving. On my way home I noticed something moving out in a drift between two woods...being drunk and in full explorer mode I went to find a racoon matted with snow trying to get through his normal rout. Yes I know about coons and have hunted and trapped them in my youth, but he looked desperate and I was pretty much bullet proof with my Carhart's and leather gloves and 6 pack of Budweiser in the belly...I carried the beast about 200' to a area over the fence in the woods where he could carry on with his mission.
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Very cool!
 
eastisbest said:
I'm not confused about anything. You're repeating what I already said, we can't kill them. What're you confused about?
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We can kill 5 a day. We can also legally harass them and kill them under nuisance permits. You said none of that. In fact, you said your council person told you they couldn't be killed or harassed.

Hopefully that clears up your confusion.
 
I enjoy wrestling said:
I've only eaten it Restaurants. Take for instance the Geese on golf course. Just wondering how safe?
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I've never heard of any health concerns over eating geese, but the taste does differ with their diet. Grass fed golf course geese won't taste as good as the geese that primarily graze in the grain fields.
 
Gulliotine said:
We can kill 5 a day. We can also legally harass them and kill them under nuisance permits. You said none of that. In fact, you said your council person told you they couldn't be killed or harassed.

Hopefully that clears up your confusion.
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I don't live where you do as I stated in the post you originally responded to. WE can't kill them as I AND you already stated.

eastisbest said:
I live in the city. I don't think anyone used the word "protected."
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You have never been allowed to legally shoot any wild animal in the city limits unless that municipality holds a management hunt.
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Hopefully that clears up your confusion.
 
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eastisbest said:
I don't live where you do as I stated in the post you originally responded to. WE can't kill them as I AND you already stated.

Hopefully that clears up your confusion.
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But they can be legally killed and harassed in municipalities under certain circumstances. That's why I used the word "unless." You should let your council person know.

Don't become confused about that.
 
Speaking of nuisance wildlife, in January of 2020 I had feral hogs show up on my trail cams. Now that's not uncommon in Southern Ohio, but it's an absolute rarity and cause for great concern in Champaign co. The damage and destruction these animals can inflict in a short amount of time is incredible. I identified 6-7 adults and one juvenile and solicited the help of my buddy (who owns a .243 on an AR frame equipped with a thermal optics scope) to kill them.

Man did we get embarrassed. Them's smart critters. We got 2 sows and the piglet in one sitting, but that's all the others needed to see, and they were on to us. lol

I had to call in the professionals. Which to my surprise turned out to be the USDA. It was a very eye-opening experience into who these people are and what they do. I got a 2 month crash course on the history and habits of wild boar in the United States, and what it takes to control them. Unfortunately, most of the time they're just playing whack-a-mole.

But not in Champaign co! They remotely trapped the majority of the sounder in one catch. There was a satellite boar killed a month later, but this was the end of the "infection."

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I never saw a Canadian geese until around 10 years ago. Once I started at my current employer I never saw so many in one place at at time. They sleep on the flat roofs at work, fly down and nest in the green spaces, then once their chicks are big enough they’ll head back to the roof and just crap everywhere. Enough crap that you have make a conscious effort not to step in it, and when it rains it covers the roof in poop water. My old work partner (farm boy) took a couple of the eggs once and made an omelette. He said it’s good, but work gave him a firm warning that we are not allowed to harm them in any way. They’re extremely hostile, especially around their chicks, constantly in the way and just make a total mess of everything.
 
I heard a story a while back about the clearing of some land for a new development in northeast Ohio. The area was inundated with Canada Geese. The developer hired a group of hillbillies with shotguns who proceeded to fill dumpsters with them. Needless to say, the authorities were not consulted before or informed after the fact.
 
Gulliotine said:
Speaking of nuisance wildlife, in January of 2020 I had feral hogs show up on my trail cams. Now that's not uncommon in Southern Ohio, but it's an absolute rarity and cause for great concern in Champaign co. The damage and destruction these animals can inflict in a short amount of time is incredible. I identified 6-7 adults and one juvenile and solicited the help of my buddy (who owns a .243 on an AR frame equipped with a thermal optics scope) to kill them.

Man did we get embarrassed. Them's smart critters. We got 2 sows and the piglet in one sitting, but that's all the others needed to see, and they were on to us. lol

I had to call in the professionals. Which to my surprise turned out to be the USDA. It was a very eye-opening experience into who these people are and what they do. I got a 2 month crash course on the history and habits of wild boar in the United States, and what it takes to control them. Unfortunately, most of the time they're just playing whack-a-mole.

But not in Champaign co! They remotely trapped the majority of the sounder in one catch. There was a satellite boar killed a month later, but this was the end of the "infection."

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Did you eat any of those?
 
clarkgriswold said:
I heard a story a while back about the clearing of some land for a new development in northeast Ohio. The area was inundated with Canada Geese. The developer hired a group of hillbillies with shotguns who proceeded to fill dumpsters with them. Needless to say, the authorities were not consulted before or informed after the fact.
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Golf Courses will do that also.
 
JackEd said:
I never saw a Canadian geese until around 10 years ago. Once I started at my current employer I never saw so many in one place at at time. They sleep on the flat roofs at work, fly down and nest in the green spaces, then once their chicks are big enough they’ll head back to the roof and just crap everywhere. Enough crap that you have make a conscious effort not to step in it, and when it rains it covers the roof in poop water. My old work partner (farm boy) took a couple of the eggs once and made an omelette. He said it’s good, but work gave him a firm warning that we are not allowed to harm them in any way. They’re extremely hostile, especially around their chicks, constantly in the way and just make a total mess of everything.
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Knew a fireman that got toxoplasmosis while cutting grass at station. Damn near killed him.

Unlike other animals, geese carry some bacteria that can be spread through their droppings. Although their droppings are a very good source of manure, it is still harmful to humans and other animals around the area. Geese poop can contain Escherichia coli, sometimes called E. coli. E. coli is more prevalent during warmer months than in colder months.


Another bacteria that can be found in goose poop is Salmonella. Also, geese can have parasites like cryptosporidium that can spread through contaminated water. Cryptosporidium is a parasite found mostly in Canadian geese and can cause abdominal pain and diarrhea in humans.

Chlamydiosis, Pasteurella multocida, and parasites like toxoplasmosis, can also be detected in goose poop. In addition, Canadian geese are susceptible to avian influenza. It is advisable to stay away from geese poop until scientists are sure how this affects humans.
 
I enjoy wrestling said:
Golf Courses will do that also.
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We have a golf course near us that a while back bought a specially trained border collie or Australian Shepherd, at the cost of thousands of dollars, to chase the geese off of the course. He came from a place that trained them solely for that purpose. For a week or so the dog worked his *** off and did a great job of chasing off the geese. Then one day they looked and found him laying in the middle of them, having given up. He'd decided "screw it, if you can't beat 'em join 'em."

The other old golf course trick is to spray oil in the eggs or just crush them. One of my buddies snapped the neck of one with an errant drive once.
 
Gulliotine said:
Speaking of nuisance wildlife, in January of 2020 I had feral hogs show up on my trail cams. Now that's not uncommon in Southern Ohio, but it's an absolute rarity and cause for great concern in Champaign co. The damage and destruction these animals can inflict in a short amount of time is incredible. I identified 6-7 adults and one juvenile and solicited the help of my buddy (who owns a .243 on an AR frame equipped with a thermal optics scope) to kill them.

Man did we get embarrassed. Them's smart critters. We got 2 sows and the piglet in one sitting, but that's all the others needed to see, and they were on to us. lol

I had to call in the professionals. Which to my surprise turned out to be the USDA. It was a very eye-opening experience into who these people are and what they do. I got a 2 month crash course on the history and habits of wild boar in the United States, and what it takes to control them. Unfortunately, most of the time they're just playing whack-a-mole.

But not in Champaign co! They remotely trapped the majority of the sounder in one catch. There was a satellite boar killed a month later, but this was the end of the "infection."

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Hogs, rats, and cockroaches. A buddy once told me if there is ever a nuclear holocaust it will be these three to survive. ;)

A domesticated pig only needs about 3 months in the wild to become feral and will even grow tusks shortly thereafter. They reproduce every 18 months and have litters ranging from 3-13. They will destroy everything and as you mention, are extremely smart. I have a good buddy who is a guide in GA and the stories he tells me about these things made my head spin.
 
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Gulliotine said:
Speaking of nuisance wildlife, in January of 2020 I had feral hogs show up on my trail cams. Now that's not uncommon in Southern Ohio, but it's an absolute rarity and cause for great concern in Champaign co. The damage and destruction these animals can inflict in a short amount of time is incredible. I identified 6-7 adults and one juvenile and solicited the help of my buddy (who owns a .243 on an AR frame equipped with a thermal optics scope) to kill them.

Man did we get embarrassed. Them's smart critters. We got 2 sows and the piglet in one sitting, but that's all the others needed to see, and they were on to us. lol

I had to call in the professionals. Which to my surprise turned out to be the USDA. It was a very eye-opening experience into who these people are and what they do. I got a 2 month crash course on the history and habits of wild boar in the United States, and what it takes to control them. Unfortunately, most of the time they're just playing whack-a-mole.

But not in Champaign co! They remotely trapped the majority of the sounder in one catch. There was a satellite boar killed a month later, but this was the end of the "infection."

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This story reminds me of a farmer who thought scrub land with a creek (15 acres total) would make a great area to fence in and turn 50 gilts and 3 boats lose. The idea was to set feeders in three locations and service them from the seat of the tractor, never needing to be in contact with the swine. The first year went pretty well and some 300 piglets were removed and sold. About the third year the pigs got brucellosis in them, and they all needed to be vaccinated for it. They were feral by then and wanted to eat people for lunch. I was one hired to build a coral inside the 15 acre sanctuary. Two kids stood guard while 3 or 4 more built the structure. On the round up day, we had pigs screaming and sows foaming at the mouth . A few pigs escaped the premises and were last seen heading for Champaign county. We never got the pigs back that escaped .
 
Gulliotine said:
Yes. The USDA brought them in field dressed.

It wasn't the best. Large chunks cooked in my big smoker grill made it almost edible. The quarts I canned were okay as well.
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Yup, about the only real edible parts of those hogs are the backstrap. Glad you were able to get it cleared out! I’ve seen first hand the amount of destruction they can do, and not just to land. Watched a guy try to run an adult over with his supped up ATV. It didn’t end well for the guy.
 
D4fan said:
This story reminds me of a farmer who thought scrub land with a creek (15 acres total) would make a great area to fence in and turn 50 gilts and 3 boats lose. The idea was to set feeders in three locations and service them from the seat of the tractor, never needing to be in contact with the swine. The first year went pretty well and some 300 piglets were removed and sold. About the third year the pigs got brucellosis in them, and they all needed to be vaccinated for it. They were feral by then and wanted to eat people for lunch. I was one hired to build a coral inside the 15 acre sanctuary. Two kids stood guard while 3 or 4 more built the structure. On the round up day, we had pigs screaming and sows foaming at the mouth . A few pigs escaped the premises and were last seen heading for Champaign county. We never got the pigs back that escaped .
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You caused me a bunch of work! lol

The traps they catch the pigs in are made of those heavy wire hog panels. They start shooting them from biggest to the smallest, The red gilt in the pic (3rd from top) tried to crash through the panels and caught her bottom lip on a wire. It tore ALL the flesh from her lower jaw about 3 inches back. You could see the clean jawbone with the teeth in it. I commented to Joe that that one would have died anyway, and he laughed. He said that little "superficial" wound wouldn't kill that pig!

They're tough bastards.
 
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I remembered one:

Brown snake, just sunning on a trail. I was alone, had to get by. Fortunately we'd been sufficiently trained to crap our pants at seeing one so I gave it what space I could without going into the bush, where worse can be.

Two Orangutans. Technically in preserve so I don't know if that counts as in the wild. They move the feeding stations deeper and deeper into the forest to try and encourage them away from development.

First one, walking towards me on a boardwalk. This is going to sound made-up. Hiking in jungle I wear scrubs. They have a tight weave that isn't too hot, completely covers and keeps out bad things like mosquitoes and nettles. Roger, I learned later had a name and was a known nuisance, decided to climb up me. My thought being, these things can tear you apart. It noticed I had pockets. It went for my pocket and grabbed what I had, tearing the pocket off. This is going to sound REALLY made up. He sat there flipping though my translation book like he was reading it.. I spent an eternity of 15 seconds wondering how to get it back when a ranger appeared, beat the living crap out of Roger (remember the tearing aprt thing) and scaring "Roger" back into the woods. I got back my book.

Second one was a group setting, a ranger explaining the place. Looking into the canapy, met eyes with a baby. You could see the thinking going on as it decended. I Knew what it was going to do. It climbed all the way down, walked over and sat right next to me. Me being a rule follower... refused to "pet" it and they are absolutely as cute as they looked on the old Johnny Carson. I should have took the risk to getting kicked out. I mean, the thing is probably paid to do that, ups the donations, right? Oh well. Missed opportunity.

Sanctuaries are well worth the visit. You learn and expereince a lot.
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eastisbest said:
I remembered one:

Brown snake, just sunning on a trail. I was alone, had to get by. Fortunately we'd been sufficiently trained to crap our pants at seeing one so I gave it what space I could without going into the bush, where worse can be.
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We had little guys sunning on a bike trail this year. It was neat to see. Couple of weeks earlier we saw a few big ones that got in the way of a mower. About 5 or 6 dead ones.
 
I enjoy wrestling said:
We had little guys sunning on a bike trail this year. It was neat to see. Couple of weeks earlier we saw a few big ones that got in the way of a mower. About 5 or 6 dead ones.
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The one I saw in Australia, extremely poisonous. Hence the crap the pants. So we have brown snakes?

I get alot of water snakes, garter snakes, snakes I got no idea. Some big, 3-4 feet. Some thick, 1-2 inches. They seem kind of smart. Toads, not so much. Been dry this year but on norml year, I hear toads thumping as I mow. Kind of gross.
 
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