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Omar said:
I take issue with that notion as well. The Japanese were not going to surrender barring something extreme. It’s awful it had to come to that, but that decision saved more lives than not dropping the bombs.
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One of my great uncles spent two of his 3 years of WWII service in the Pacific theater jumping off of boats and going ashore on little islands. He never talked about it much, but his little brother that won a Bronze star and a couple Purple Hearts in Sicily said big bro was dealt a worse hand. Just brutally vicious little fighters. I think it was partly religious in nature, like putting on a good showing for their dead elders while inevitably on the way to their version of Valhalla
 
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jackson03 said:
I haven't seen the movie so I don't know its take on it, but I know the Japanese deeply feared becoming a Soviet client state and that may have influenced them even more than the bomb. Since that's exactly what happened in North Korea and Manchuria which Japan was controlling at the time and some people say FDR/Truman really blew it there by conceding too much to Stalin. Might never have needed to nuke them in the first place.
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Not buying that. Regardless, they had an idea what was coming to Japan and knew precisely why, and they rolled the dice in refusal to surrender. It took two bombs, after all.
 

Now Elon Musk joins backlash against Barbie film’s portrayal of anti-man feminism saying: ‘If you take a shot every time Barbie says the word “patriarchy” you will pass out before the movie ends’​

 
Fake news. Just people buying blocks of tickets. Did I do that right leftists?

People hyping that a kids movie is doing big numbers...shocking.
 
jackson03 said:
I haven't seen the movie so I don't know its take on it, but I know the Japanese deeply feared becoming a Soviet client state and that may have influenced them even more than the bomb. Since that's exactly what happened in North Korea and Manchuria which Japan was controlling at the time and some people say FDR/Truman really blew it there by conceding too much to Stalin. Might never have needed to nuke them in the first place.
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Hindsight. However, it would’ve f’d me up badly if I was flying either of those planes. Again, it was necessary, but I’d have had nightmares the rest of my life after that.
 
y2h said:
Fake news. Just people buying blocks of tickets. Did I do that right leftists?

People hyping that a kids movie is doing big numbers...shocking.
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fwiw, while I'm not sure it needed a PG-13 rating, I wouldn't call this a kids movie. Any kid under 10 isn't going to understand what's going on.
 
y2h said:
Fake news. Just people buying blocks of tickets. Did I do that right leftists?

People hyping that a kids movie is doing big numbers...shocking.
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Yeah except there are hoards of people in full theaters seeing this unlike the "sold out" empty theaters of the Sound of QAnon
 
I'm obviously missing something here. Why are grown men so happy that Barbie is making alot of money? Can somebody explain it to me?
 
mcm.1019 said:
I'm obviously missing something here. Why are grown men so happy that Barbie is making alot of money? Can somebody explain it to me?
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Should they not be?

I'm struggling to think of what movie would be the highest grossing film that appeals more to women than men or neutral. Titanic? What next?
 
oxat622 said:
Should they not be?

I'm struggling to think of what movie would be the highest grossing film that appeals more to women than men or neutral. Titanic? What next?
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They can be happy for whatever pleases them, just seems kind of odd to me that a few on here are taking such joy in Barbie doing well. I can't think of a time where I was ever excited about a movie making alot of money.
 
mcm.1019 said:
They can be happy for whatever pleases them, just seems kind of odd to me that a few on here are taking such joy in Barbie doing well. I can't think of a time where I was ever excited about a movie making alot of money.
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I wouldn't call what's in this thread "excitement". More like interested and astonished.
 
mcm.1019 said:
They can be happy for whatever pleases them, just seems kind of odd to me that a few on here are taking such joy in Barbie doing well. I can't think of a time where I was ever excited about a movie making alot of money.
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We're not all you? Yeah, I get it. Hard to figure why some people get excited about Bud Light, but who am I to judge? Movies are a hobby or a job for some people. I guess it's not a huge leap to presume some root for them.
 
Omar said:
Hindsight. However, it would’ve f’d me up badly if I was flying either of those planes. Again, it was necessary, but I’d have had nightmares the rest of my life after that.
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From what I recall, the crews were pretty split on whether they had done the right thing or not.
 
jackson03 said:
From what I recall, the crews were pretty split on whether they had done the right thing or not.
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It was the right thing, but that doesn’t mean it wouldn’t seriously weigh on your conscience. It’s ultimately the fault of the Emperor for not surrendering.
 
cabezadecaballo said:
Not buying that.
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Established fact. The Japanese biggest concern, even pre-war was what was going on in Russia and keeping it at a distance. That was also our biggest need. Their plan was to establish a soviet styled state in east asia, only with their government system. An aristocratic monarchy. They did not want either soviet or western influence crossing into their borders. We didn't want THAT Japan but we did want a Japan that could inhibit Soviet expansion.

As regards whether to invade, continue the bombing or nuke.

Case against continued bombing:
We needed a power in that hemisphere to counter Russian aggression that was not aggressive towards us. China wasn't going to be it, it had shown no movement off agrarian and they had adapted communist, if not socialist beliefs. The difference maybe pretense of theory anyhow. Bombing Japan further to heck was not in our best interest. They needed to recover and quickly in order to provide a compliant border with the Soviets that saw a bigger God than emporer. Mcgarther's plan was brilliant, regardless that was consideratin or not. I imagine it was.

Case against invasion (trying to be objective even knowing I'm speaking to the choir):
Invasion brings with it a phychological damage to all that participate. It's too personal for the winners and the losers. Bad enough from the air. On the ground? PTSD, feelings of guilt, loss of patriatism, inability to produce or even reproduce. they are all there. Post war recovery on the homefront always comes with a loss of family structure and subsequent over run of the urban areas by crime due to number of children without the traditional family support and immigration due to fleeing war town areas generally being a darwinist activiy frequently won by those with "me first" attitude. WWII had already cost us too large a loss of family stucture. Neither Japan nor the US would have recovered quickly. Europe would likely have paid off much of their depth, supporting our war in the pacific and we would not have had the reaources to counter soviet aggression in Germany. Invasion was lose, lose on every social, cultural and economic front.

Case for nukes
Getting it over quickly without total devastation to Japanese manufacturing, social and cultural stucture was imperative. Removing the image of the Emperor as God to coming generations while retaining the corps of society that had built such a power was imperative. Nukes had the best chance of doing that.

The other thing I can think that nuking did, it made us not want to do it again. I don't know anyone cared at all for asiatics or Japanese specifcully but shadows on a wall? That can probably chill even a psychotic. Without that concrete example of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Prettov and Arkhipov may never have happened. The world would be toasted on a shingle.
 
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