Maple_City_Fan
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As I did with Football Fostoria Redmen, I'm doing another regarding Basketball Scott; a once power who's a shell of former self Let's hear it about Coach Ben Williams and the gang ..
70s-Early 90s Toledo Scott Bulldogs
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nwwarrior09
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Tremendous talent during this time...but also the school (and all TPS high schools in general) suffered a huge decline in enrollment during this period. Early 90s saw a lot of tumultuous times for TPS between school closures and financial problems, and this really opened the door for athletic talent to start to leak out to elsewhere.
Pound for pound I think the neighborhood still has a lot of basketball talent, but few of those kids have been ending up at Scott the last several years.
Pound for pound I think the neighborhood still has a lot of basketball talent, but few of those kids have been ending up at Scott the last several years.
eastisbest
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Just thinking about mid-70s Bulldogs, I get a buzz.
Coach Williams terrific coach, terrific guy. His first pride is always the number kids sent to college.
As good as the talent they had on the 75 team, they also might not have been the best Bulldogs in the area that year. In general the area was still 15-20 pts behind the rest of the state.
Macomber beat that Claytor-Collins led team, lost to some refs in 3OT to Elyrea, who lost badly to Cleveland Hts. Games after that very competitive. Hts beat Canton McKinley (Phil Hubbard) then lost competitively to Linden McKinley in the championship game
OT: The AA game had exactly the sme 75-72 score as the AAA game. Warsaw River played exactly five players beating Stivers. Warsaw beat Rossford in the semi's by 4. Maria Stein won the A game by 3. Great year for championships.
Coach Williams terrific coach, terrific guy. His first pride is always the number kids sent to college.
As good as the talent they had on the 75 team, they also might not have been the best Bulldogs in the area that year. In general the area was still 15-20 pts behind the rest of the state.
Macomber beat that Claytor-Collins led team, lost to some refs in 3OT to Elyrea, who lost badly to Cleveland Hts. Games after that very competitive. Hts beat Canton McKinley (Phil Hubbard) then lost competitively to Linden McKinley in the championship game
OT: The AA game had exactly the sme 75-72 score as the AAA game. Warsaw River played exactly five players beating Stivers. Warsaw beat Rossford in the semi's by 4. Maria Stein won the A game by 3. Great year for championships.
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I played on a summer league team at Westminster with a couple guys off the 1990 Scott team. They had a ton of talent, guys who were long, quick jumpers and loved to get after it on D. In my eyes John White was their best player - his pull up jumper was impossible to challenge because his elevation was so high.
Few promos for a documentary - would love to see the whole documentary;
Few promos for a documentary - would love to see the whole documentary;
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A buddy in college talked about watching that Scott team scrimmage and beat Detroit Southwestern. At the time Southwestern was a top 5 team in the country with 3 NBA guys Jalen Rose, Vashon Leonard and Howard Eisely - 8 D1 guys total.
After that scrimmage USA Today had Scott ranked in their top 25. So fun to watch.
After that scrimmage USA Today had Scott ranked in their top 25. So fun to watch.
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Some consider that Southwestern team a top 10 high school team of all time......
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5) 1989-1990 Southwestern (Detroit, MI) (30-1)*
Players: Jalen Rose (NBA), Vashon Lenard (NBA), Howard Eisley (NBA), Garland Mance (St. Bonaventure), Elton Carter (Penn State)
Notable Wins: Saginaw, Cooley, Pershing
Head Coach: Perry Watson
After title game losses in 7 of the previous 8 seasons, Southwestern finally delivered coach Watson's first championship in the 1990 State Finals. Senior Howard Eisley and junior Voshon Lenard were sensational in their own right, but it was Jalen Rose who starred for the Prospectors. Aside from the big three, they had plenty of division one talent up an down the roster. 8 of the players on the roster went on to play d-1 basketball. Perry Watson’s 1991 squad, which featured seniors Jalen Rose and Voshon Lenard, may have gotten the recognition as the country’s top team. But it was the school’s 1990 squad, that featured Rose, Leonard, and senior Eisley, that laid the groundwork for the national acclaim. The team was as disciplined and hard working as any team ever. They would run around the school, even hallways on rainy days. Words were rarely exchanged if a loss did occur. And you can be assured they would practice that night. Three of the best players in the state of Michigan, and in the country. "That 1990 team would rip your face off before they let you score a basket," said T.C. Cameron, an expert on Michigan high school sports. They also played in Detroit at a time in which the Detroit Public School League, was among the best in the nation.
During his high school years, Jalen Rose led the Prospectors to state titles his junior and senior seasons. Over his 14-year NBA career, he totaled over 13,000 points. In his junior season, the versatile 6-7 Rose averaged 18 points, 6 assists and 8 rebounds. Rose played mostly point guard and forward for the Prospectors. An interesting side note to this team, Chris Webber was anticipated to enroll at Southwestern as a freshman in 1988 (instead enrolling at Detroit Country Day).
Junior guard Voshon Lenard was a long-range shooting specialist who was part of back-to-back state title teams at Southwestern. At 6-5, Lenard had good enough size and athleticism to land a scholarship for Minnesota. He went on to star in the NBA, where he scored over 6,700 points.
Howard Eisley was the senior leader of the Prospectors. The 6-2 guard was a lethal shooter and tough defender. As one of the top players in the state Eisley routinely drilled clutch shots for the Prospectors. He would go on to play in the 1997 and 1998 NBA Finals with the Utah Jazz.
St Bonaventure commit Garland Mance was a role player for Southwestern. The 6-4 forward provided depth for the state champions. Mance went on to a successful college career at St. Bonaventure, averaging double digit points for his career. Elton Carter played on the inside for the Prospectors, before playing in the Big 10 at Penn State.
Their state championship game was both a celebration and triumph. After head coach Watson struggled to win the big one, Southwestern prevailed with a 67-54 victory over Saginaw. The program was controversial because rival coaches accused Watson of recruiting players, a charge the coach has always denied. In the broader view, it hardly mattered. City kids were succeeding. Few could argue that Watson wasn’t a positive influence. This team was so talented that legendary Yankee Derek Jeter claimed to have played this team in high school, after the game he simply decided basketball wasn't his sport.
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5) 1989-1990 Southwestern (Detroit, MI) (30-1)*
Players: Jalen Rose (NBA), Vashon Lenard (NBA), Howard Eisley (NBA), Garland Mance (St. Bonaventure), Elton Carter (Penn State)
Notable Wins: Saginaw, Cooley, Pershing
Head Coach: Perry Watson
After title game losses in 7 of the previous 8 seasons, Southwestern finally delivered coach Watson's first championship in the 1990 State Finals. Senior Howard Eisley and junior Voshon Lenard were sensational in their own right, but it was Jalen Rose who starred for the Prospectors. Aside from the big three, they had plenty of division one talent up an down the roster. 8 of the players on the roster went on to play d-1 basketball. Perry Watson’s 1991 squad, which featured seniors Jalen Rose and Voshon Lenard, may have gotten the recognition as the country’s top team. But it was the school’s 1990 squad, that featured Rose, Leonard, and senior Eisley, that laid the groundwork for the national acclaim. The team was as disciplined and hard working as any team ever. They would run around the school, even hallways on rainy days. Words were rarely exchanged if a loss did occur. And you can be assured they would practice that night. Three of the best players in the state of Michigan, and in the country. "That 1990 team would rip your face off before they let you score a basket," said T.C. Cameron, an expert on Michigan high school sports. They also played in Detroit at a time in which the Detroit Public School League, was among the best in the nation.
During his high school years, Jalen Rose led the Prospectors to state titles his junior and senior seasons. Over his 14-year NBA career, he totaled over 13,000 points. In his junior season, the versatile 6-7 Rose averaged 18 points, 6 assists and 8 rebounds. Rose played mostly point guard and forward for the Prospectors. An interesting side note to this team, Chris Webber was anticipated to enroll at Southwestern as a freshman in 1988 (instead enrolling at Detroit Country Day).
Junior guard Voshon Lenard was a long-range shooting specialist who was part of back-to-back state title teams at Southwestern. At 6-5, Lenard had good enough size and athleticism to land a scholarship for Minnesota. He went on to star in the NBA, where he scored over 6,700 points.
Howard Eisley was the senior leader of the Prospectors. The 6-2 guard was a lethal shooter and tough defender. As one of the top players in the state Eisley routinely drilled clutch shots for the Prospectors. He would go on to play in the 1997 and 1998 NBA Finals with the Utah Jazz.
St Bonaventure commit Garland Mance was a role player for Southwestern. The 6-4 forward provided depth for the state champions. Mance went on to a successful college career at St. Bonaventure, averaging double digit points for his career. Elton Carter played on the inside for the Prospectors, before playing in the Big 10 at Penn State.
Their state championship game was both a celebration and triumph. After head coach Watson struggled to win the big one, Southwestern prevailed with a 67-54 victory over Saginaw. The program was controversial because rival coaches accused Watson of recruiting players, a charge the coach has always denied. In the broader view, it hardly mattered. City kids were succeeding. Few could argue that Watson wasn’t a positive influence. This team was so talented that legendary Yankee Derek Jeter claimed to have played this team in high school, after the game he simply decided basketball wasn't his sport.
eastisbest
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Anyone know why Damon Flint didn't play in the 1990 Championship game? His semi-final box score shows all zeros and he's not listed in the final's box score.
Champ Kind
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I saw John White dunk on St. Francis in a freshman game. At the time he was a Libbey student.
Damon Flint only played in about half the games his freshman year and wasn't in the regular rotation. I'm not sure why that was, but it was not unusual for that season.
Maple_City_Fan
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if I recall correctly, all 4 reps to Columbus 1990, were nicknamed "Bulldogs."
one memory, and not so fond to Scott Nation ... Mansfield Senior taking them to the shed with Newbern-led Scott, 1985
one memory, and not so fond to Scott Nation ... Mansfield Senior taking them to the shed with Newbern-led Scott, 1985
eastisbest
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and at least Rossford in D2.
irish_buffalo
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Southwestern was a year away. That same team throttled the SF 91' team that saw all five starters and their 6th man go DI. That 90' Scott team was all 6'4 to 6'6 and could run. Kalvin White was the glue coming over from
When Scott was in their day they were extremely fun to watch warm-up. They always came out and did a little base line drill and everyone would stop what they were doing and watch. One of the best games I've ever seen was the 92' TCL championship in which the Bulldogs upset a very good St. Johns team. Wheeler, Utley, and Witcher. All three have had star athlete kids play in the area since. Geesh I'm getting old.
I will take a stab at an All-Scott team from 1970 to 2004.
G - Kalvin White (Toledo)
G - Truman Claytor (Kentucky) NBA
G - Melvin Newburn (Minnesota) NBA
C - Donald Collins (Washington State) NBA/CBA
F - Anthony "Scoop" Williams (Northern Iowa - Toledo) Pro Leagues all over the globe.
G - Dennis Springs - (Ferris State) Europe
G - Sean Scrutchins - (Dayton - Toledo)
G - Damion Washington - (Ohio U.)
G - LeShawn Howard - (Syracuse - Hampton)
C - Derrick Ford - (Milwaukee)
F - Nakia Witcher - (Wright State)
Anthony Glover, John White, Chris Poellnitz, Steve Wheeler, Lonacy Utley, Darrion Griffin, Grant Maxey, Rob Sanders, Jameel Bladwin, Vershawn Chears, Chris Darrington, Curtis Jackson, Steve Miller.
I'm missing some guys. Need to jog the memory a bit more.
Trivia: Which former Bulldog star is the father of WNBA All-Star and former Waite and Florida State standout Natasha Howard?
Trivia: Which former Bulldog star played pro ball in Europe, the MIddle East, and S. America into his late 30's and has been shot on three separate occasions?
Trivia: What HS did PG Kalvin White attend before transfering to play for his Godfather Ben Williams his senior year in 89'-90'?
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Maple_City_Fan
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you gave away the answer to White, Libbey Cowboys