If this is taken into consideration, Denny is the runaway winner. I watched a game where the other team had three kids guarding him. It was a bad strategy because it allowed Fritz to lead VV to a win, but Denny is the most focused on player in the league hands down.
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formercardinal
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Denny is averaging more points and more assists than Lawson. How are you judging that Lawson makes people around him better and Denny does not? Not trying to argue, just curious how you're determining it.
Crazy Horse
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Argeed That Denny is the team focus for sure. Like I said he has the biggest upside to him than the other kids in the mix. Just that they have lost a lot of games where the other team takes him out of the game or at least tries to. Fritz will be in the mix as well as he is a very nice player as well. The loss to Talawanda really hurts. I know it's not a league game but not a good look from a team standpoint.
Crazy Horse
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Carlisle has had some kids be able to step up when other teams take Lawson out of the game. VV has Fritz and that's about it. No doubt Denny is a great player, I just think he needs more around him to help and have a good supporting cast. Like a poster said they double and triple denny so it should make it easier for the other kids and be able to put up wins. Carlisle is very young and returns everyone, Chemistry is being developed and I would hope the same thing is being done at VV. Did not take it as an argument you have solid points.
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letsgojacks
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At the end of the day I think whoever wins the conference deserves POY (most likely either Rubin or Lawson). Oakwood is obviously the favorite right now, with this Friday being a huge game against Carlisle in the Pit. They had a lead in the 4th at Carlisle earlier this year before losing the game, so hopefully they will be locked in and ready to go from the jump.
Like Lawson, Rubin took some time adjusting to being the main guy at the varsity level as he missed pretty much all of last season due to injury. He also didn’t play much as a freshman, so this season has really been his first time playing serious varsity minutes for an extended period of time.
Like Lawson, Rubin took some time adjusting to being the main guy at the varsity level as he missed pretty much all of last season due to injury. He also didn’t play much as a freshman, so this season has really been his first time playing serious varsity minutes for an extended period of time.
The ville 1992
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I see where you’re coming from and yes I guess Lawson is the main focus and the player on Carlisle’s team that gets majority of the attention. Harder for those players to get the best stats too as they have to deal with adversity which opens up easier looks for the other players. Denny always seems to have the ball in his hand. He’s not afraid to shoot it either. Some of his shots were crazy but again he’s a freshman
Denny needs to get stronger. He has trouble with the physical play IMO. The Spartans hopefully have some help coming up because they need a reliable third scorer. Valienti is a decent player but he's more of a role player. Hopefully Denny the coach is letting Denny the player know about his shot selection.
It’s hard to get excited about a kid who averages 21 pts who takes 18 shots a game. It’s more like he better be averaging that many point on 18 shots a game.
IMO Fritz is the better player. Watched him play a few games and wow dude is impressive
points per shot this season (not including free throws):
Mason Shrout - 1.5
RJ Greer - 1.4
Jonathan Powell - 1.4
Trey Perry - 1.4
Luke Rubin - 1.3
Brody Denny - 1.2
Blake Lawson - 1.2
He is .15 point per shot off the best player in Dayton who is a Senior and has a ton more freedom than Denny because he has players around him. You can argue Powell also plays against much better competition which is fair. Also fair to believe Denny's shot selection needs to improve as he gets older.
Point is I think it is very easy to get excited about a freshman who is the only focus of every defense putting up the numbers Denny is.
Crazy Horse
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Nice research, very nice list of players. Very true about him being a freshman on that list with some solid players from around the Dayton area
Just out of curiosity.... what were Kennard's numbers in relation to points per shot when he was at Franklin?
In no way am I comparing any of these guys to Kennard, would just like to see the number comparison.
Junior year - 1.6
Senior year - 1.9
Crazy that he scored 1,067 points in just his senior year!
ilikefootball10
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Denny will grow a couple more inches which will help shooting over top of people. He gets too many shots blocked imo.
Smitty1976
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Kai Cook def better than Lawson and Denny. ITs between Cook and Fritz in my opinion
Cook and Fritz are in different divisions and the SWBL names PoY for each division.
Not sure how you get Fritz in the conversation for PoY, although he is a nice player.
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Cook is miles better than Webb and it isn’t even a debate. Their percentages are not close at all either. Cook averages almost 6 more points on almost 13% better FG%. Franklin also has been the better team.
Crazy Horse
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Oakwood 61
Carlisle 55
Lawson (25) Carlisle
Taylor (13) Carlisle
Rowe (10) Carlisle
Rubin (18) Oakwood
Thobe (14) Oakwood
Oakwood came out on fire and led the game by 8 at half. Rubin had a lot of steals with some easy buckets. Lawson tried to bring the Indians back in the fourth with 13 in the frame. Was a 3 point game with .40 seconds to go. An illegal screen negated a 3 point fg. Was a defense game at times and was definitely a good one.
Carlisle 55
Lawson (25) Carlisle
Taylor (13) Carlisle
Rowe (10) Carlisle
Rubin (18) Oakwood
Thobe (14) Oakwood
Oakwood came out on fire and led the game by 8 at half. Rubin had a lot of steals with some easy buckets. Lawson tried to bring the Indians back in the fourth with 13 in the frame. Was a 3 point game with .40 seconds to go. An illegal screen negated a 3 point fg. Was a defense game at times and was definitely a good one.
The ville 1992
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Wasn’t sure how tonight would go. I knew it would be close. Good win for Waynesville.
The ville 1992
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Cook looks good where he’s at bc Franklin runs all plays through him. In AAU he’s just “ok”’but nothing special Franklin makes him look good bc they give him opportunity after opportunity. Franklin runs everything though him and is the reason he succeeds.
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The ville 1992
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I think Waynesville’s team is one of the best in the league as far as chemistry goes. Out of all the teams they seem to support one another on and off the court. They play a fast paced game and although they have their share of mistakes, they do a good job of hustling back and they have “next play” mentality. They are a fun team to watch
Unless you are using a different equation I get:
Denny
280 pts this year
65 FTs made
215 pts off FGs
238 FGA this year
.90 pts per shot.
I assume .9 would be a less attractive number to you
Woo-hoo! Must have been a good game! I wasn't there but Monroe must have played pretty good. Always feels good to beat Franklin at their place.
letsgojacks
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Oakwood played well for 30 minutes last night and it was enough to get the win. Luke Rubin dominated on both ends with 18 and at least 6 or 7 steals, multiple charges, and drawing multiple moving screens (including one on the biggest play of the game). Jackson Thobe was also great on defense, and PJ Bremner added 12. Lawson got hot down the stretch and brought them back to within striking distance, but it was too little too late. For a second there it seemed like they might blow a lead again like they did earlier this season at Carlisle.
The Jacks are now 2 games ahead in first place of the Buckeye at 7-1 (11-2), and Rubin seems like he has to be the heavy favorite for POY at this point.
The Jacks are now 2 games ahead in first place of the Buckeye at 7-1 (11-2), and Rubin seems like he has to be the heavy favorite for POY at this point.
Different calculation, similar result. No matter how you calculate it the results will be similar:
JP - 1.2
Greer - 1.2
Perry - 1.1
Rubin - 1
Denny - .9
Lawson - .8
The best player in Dayton averages 1.2pps by your calculation and Denny averages .9pps being guarded by two or three kids. I am not sure how anyone could not be excited for his future
.9 is 75% of 1.2.
I can find many kids who fall between .9 and 1.2 just in the SWBL.
Volume shooting doesn’t impress me.
The ville 1992
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I think it will go Denny anyway.