2023 St. Ignatius Football

I'm curious what is different between St. X and St. Ignatius? Both are run by the Jesuits. Is St. X still good because of Coach Specht although they are having a tough year this year. But St. X is still one of the top schools in Region 4 every year while St. Ignatius seems to slipped a lot since Coach Kyle retired. WIth the Jezzie pride I'm surprised to see the slippage.
 
St. X was 4-6 with an early playoff exit last year and is 3-4 this year with similar prospects in a few weeks.

The reality (at least from an Eds guy who has just as many Ignatius alum friends as Eds) is Ignatius' player base from their glory days just doesn't exist in big numbers anymore, as others have pointed out. CYO football is practically dead in Cleveland. OLA (an Ignatius player factory up until 10 years ago) hasn't had their own team for years. Kyle followed the Ignatius Way religiously (CYO kids, legacy players, etc) and it worked wonders for the overwhelming majority of his career. But I think all of us saw something like this coming when he left, although I never thought it would be this bad for Ignatius.

I thought Ignatius would go through a rough transition period, but the reality is they are rebuilding the entire program with some familiar faces on the sidelines.
 
The glaring lack of talent and speed would have been apparent no matter what, but this schedule expedited it.

No pity should fall on the program. The school has more than enough resources to not be this bad. I just wonder how long parents will be patient if next season is the same.
 
If your an ignatius alumni does this stretch of horrible football and sub par coaching, make you send your sons to their home school or even consider St Ed’s ? If your son is passionate about football! Honest question. I asked same question to a ignatius dad, and he said as much as he hates St Ed’s . He would have sent him their! It would have crushed him. But he would have had very little joy the last few years.
 
If your an ignatius alumni does this stretch of horrible football and sub par coaching, make you send your sons to their home school or even consider St Ed’s ? If your son is passionate about football! Honest question. I asked same question to a ignatius dad, and he said as much as he hates St Ed’s . He would have sent him their! It would have crushed him. But he would have had very little joy the last few years.
Simple answer.....no. I reap the benefits of my Ignatius education and experience almost every day. It is bigger than a sport
 
Simple answer.....no. I reap the benefits of my Ignatius education and experience almost every day. It is bigger than a sport

My question wasn’t for your thoughts ,it was if you had a football player or an incredible wrestler. Would you allow them to choose St Ed’s?
Your an ignatius hawk. I know it wouldn’t change your views of returning. But if you had a son coming up that was incredible wrestler or football player. Would you consider it?
If he was incredible soccer or baseball or rugby player no need to consider. Ignatius is the right school for that. I never thought my son would go to St Ed’s but he loved football. And he wanted to try and see if he could compete at the highest level. I gave him other schools to choose from .
He chose Ed’s. And we are both happy he did.
I was willing to move districts to get him into a better football school. With better opportunities to win and compete. But it was easier to just pay then to move. So making that highschool decision is not easy. We do things for our children to give them the best opportunities. And right now St Ed’s is the best Catholic ,football ,wrestling program in northeast Ohio.
 
The glaring lack of talent and speed would have been apparent no matter what, but this schedule expedited it.

No pity should fall on the program. The school has more than enough resources to not be this bad. I just wonder how long parents will be patient if next season is the same.
I agree with this completely. The school is one of the largest boys schools in the state with talent seemingly in all their other athletic programs. The football problem is a program problem. Great weight room, a fieldhouse right? plenty of athletic fields, with more plans to add onto their Athletic infrastructure. I mean I feel like most coaches would love to have all of that. Don't get me wrong, contending with Ed's current hold on things is no small feat and that's something Ed's has worked on for 25 years since they hired Gibbons I think, but Ignatius should never be a 1 win regular season team.
 
My question wasn’t for your thoughts ,it was if you had a football player or an incredible wrestler. Would you allow them to choose St Ed’s?
Your an ignatius hawk. I know it wouldn’t change your views of returning. But if you had a son coming up that was incredible wrestler or football player. Would you consider it?
If he was incredible soccer or baseball or rugby player no need to consider. Ignatius is the right school for that. I never thought my son would go to St Ed’s but he loved football. And he wanted to try and see if he could compete at the highest level. I gave him other schools to choose from .
He chose Ed’s. And we are both happy he did.
I was willing to move districts to get him into a better football school. With better opportunities to win and compete. But it was easier to just pay then to move. So making that highschool decision is not easy. We do things for our children to give them the best opportunities. And right now St Ed’s is the best Catholic ,football ,wrestling program in northeast Ohio.

Of course. If football/wrestling is important in his life, then, by all means, he made the right choice. St. Edward is a fine institution. If I lived in Solon, I would seriously consider sending my son to Solon Public Schools rather than Ignatius, depending on what his interests were. No one, except maybe the most hardened supporters, believes that Ignatius is the "Be all and end all" for everyone. Go with your head and your heart; whatever is best for your children.
 
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In the same vain as much as I absolutely hate Ignatius with everything in me….. if my son when he gets to that age shadows both and picks the wildcats over my eagles then it is what it is…. There both great programs and I also have just as many wildcat alum friends as I do eagle ones. The education is equal , it’s what the student puts in period.

Personally when I made my choice yrs ago Gibbons style of coaching along with Gregg urbus made it an easy decision over coach Kyle. First one in my family to attend a private school so I had no skin the game either way.

Both are incredible powerhouses in education, athletics and humans in general.
 
No sons, but yeah my wife and I were both given opportunity to choose our high school in 8th grade, so my daughter gets that option too.
Same, my Dad was Ignatius grad but I was allowed to choose. I took exams for Padua and Ignatius. My heart was always Ignatius, and actually tested better (got personal call in 8th grade from Karl Ertle because of score), and rest is history. I imagine my heart helped the better score.

But wherever I would have chosen I would have been supported in that decision
 
In the same vain as much as I absolutely hate Ignatius with everything in me….. if my son when he gets to that age shadows both and picks the wildcats over my eagles then it is what it is…. There both great programs and I also have just as many wildcat alum friends as I do eagle ones. The education is equal , it’s what the student puts in period.

Personally when I made my choice yrs ago Gibbons style of coaching along with Gregg urbus made it an easy decision over coach Kyle. First one in my family to attend a private school so I had no skin the game either way.

Both are incredible powerhouses in education, athletics and humans in general.

I know you're using sports talk and not being serious, but I really wish we could get rid of the word " Hate" when it comes to a sports opponent, or just about anyone in general.
 
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No sons, but yeah my wife and I were both given opportunity to choose our high school in 8th grade, so my daughter gets that option too.

Same - my older brother was an Iggy grad. My parents (and my brother) told me that I needed to make my own decision. I've never regretted that decision...
 
I had two choices, St. Edward or St. Edward! 😂 My parents were both from Ireland, so perhaps there was some Notre Dame - Brothers of the Holy Cross thing going down with them from watching Pat O'Brien in Knute Rockne "All American" too many times or perhaps they watched Bing Crosby in "Going my Way" too many times and felt some kind of blind loyalty to the "parish" with my older brother having previously attended St. Edward.😂

In the end I was very happy with my choice, as were those from my grade school class that chose St Ignatius or the old Holy Name on Broadway or even West Tech for that matter. Everyone made the best of their particular situation.

As for education today, St Edward would not exist in it's present form if it didn't offer a quality and unique education. At nearly $20,000 per year (even with vouchers and scholarship money) it invariably requires a huge financial commitment from families to send kids to either St. Edward or Ignatius. No one is spending that kind of money if they don't think they're getting something of value in return. Today, both Eds and Ignatius offer their own unique brand of first class education.

I largely credit Ignatius almunus Jim Kubacki with the change at St Edward. He transformed Eds from a "blue collar" school into a 21st century school with the IB program and by enhancing the engineering program among a host of others. That's not taking anything away from the traditional Jesuit education offered at Ignatius and the changes they've had to make as well to stay ahead of the changing education curve.

When the new realities for Catholic education started to come into play (roughly 25 years ago or more) with smaller families, increased costs and diminished interest (among some ) in the importance of private Catholic education, Catholic schools faced serious challenges to survive. Some went to co-ed and others disappeared or merged with other entities. Ignatius was probably positioned best to absorb these challenges with a great historic reputation, central location, great alumni and a huge endowment. St Edward was not as fortunate. It had to really make drastic changes to survive and now appears to have come out of it smaller (down to 1,000 students from 1,600) but better for it in the end.

Eds and Ignatius are certainly different, but they produce some really great future leaders and all around great citizens in their own respective ways. I jokingly refer to St Ignatius as the "Evil Empire" in my athletic posts out of my jealousy of their great financial resources and facilities, but in no way does that diminish what they do on a day to day basis in the classroom.
 
A lot of these comments by you are seriously promoting the senior over the sophomore. I just find it odd because you can’t seriously point to the seniors stats in the past as a reason to start. Kinda seems personal. The sophomore is struggling. But against TCC I saw him complete passes the senior never could.

sometimes it’s ok to get him experience. As an 09 grad. I was a JV a player on a varsity squad that severely struggled. The movement to start Holland, Ryan, Parris, Whitaker, Hinkel, Fox, and the following year Scott Mcvey (who was a sophomore when we were juniors) We’re extremely important to our 08 a
-09state run.

I’m not saying the seniors can’t play, but this development on a dud year is important for the future. Let’s hope it works out.

this season is extremely frustrating for all us cats fans. Let’s hope a bright future is on the rise. As 97 cat mentions, Welo offense is extremely frustrating. Go cats, onto next week
Late response because I had a nice little getaway vacation to Key West this week to thankfully drown my sorrows!

I do take this personally, because I had a similar situation happen to me in HS. I'm glad for you it worked out, but I'm sure if you talked to the senior who's place you took (or his parents), the perception would be very different.

What I gather from your take is that the offensive gameplan sucks and welo sucks, so just give up the season and tell the seniors too bad, because we only care about next year now. I think that is wrong.

In my opinion, Papesh, Merrimee and all the remaining seniors deserve every chance they get to play the remainder of the season out. If the soph was clearly better, then yes, play him. But he's not. There is no CLEAR separation of talent to call for change, other than the coaching staff is succumbing to daddy ball and giving in to school donors.

Because hard work, grit, and commitment should be paid back with some loyalty.

Once the loyalty is gone, so goes the trust. This staff is going to have a tough time moving forward with fractured trust.
 
In my opinion, Papesh, Merrimee and all the remaining seniors deserve every chance they get to play the remainder of the season out. If the soph was clearly better, then yes, play him. But he's not. There is no CLEAR separation of talent to call for change, other than the coaching staff is succumbing to daddy ball and giving in to school donors.
I don't totally disagree with you here, but part of going to a program that wants to compete at the state level year in and year out is that there is a risk of this happening. A program like Iggy has standards and that standard is that they make deep playoff runs and challenge for a state title every so often. So if they believe that playing the sophomores now can help them meet that goal sooner vs later, that is what they are going to do. Is it unfair, cold and heartless? You betcha. But when you sign up to play big time football, you take that risk.
 
The situation is new, since Chico would have automatically played the seniors. Also, the best of the bunch, a junior, is hurt and can't play. Who knows if he will play next yr, since he is a big time basketball prospect.
 
The situation is new, since Chico would have automatically played the seniors. Also, the best of the bunch, a junior, is hurt and can't play. Who knows if he will play next yr, since he is a big time basketball prospect.
I respectfully disagree he is the best of the bunch, right now. Leaves the pocket immediately which has been a contributing factor to two straight years of being injured.

The QB position program wide is a mess, in my opinion. The coach is a former great WR. The play on all levels has been really below average.
 
Late response because I had a nice little getaway vacation to Key West this week to thankfully drown my sorrows!

I do take this personally, because I had a similar situation happen to me in HS. I'm glad for you it worked out, but I'm sure if you talked to the senior who's place you took (or his parents), the perception would be very different.

What I gather from your take is that the offensive gameplan sucks and welo sucks, so just give up the season and tell the seniors too bad, because we only care about next year now. I think that is wrong.

In my opinion, Papesh, Merrimee and all the remaining seniors deserve every chance they get to play the remainder of the season out. If the soph was clearly better, then yes, play him. But he's not. There is no CLEAR separation of talent to call for change, other than the coaching staff is succumbing to daddy ball and giving in to school donors.

Because hard work, grit, and commitment should be paid back with some loyalty.

Once the loyalty is gone, so goes the trust. This staff is going to have a tough time moving forward with fractured trust.
True there has been no clear separation, but a lot of that is on the coaching and the offense. All of the QBs look lost out there, and the Eds game was a disgrace. They might as well have run the option with as bad as the passing attack has been.
 
I had two choices, St. Edward or St. Edward! 😂 My parents were both from Ireland, so perhaps there was some Notre Dame - Brothers of the Holy Cross thing going down with them from watching Pat O'Brien in Knute Rockne "All American" too many times or perhaps they watched Bing Crosby in "Going my Way" too many times and felt some kind of blind loyalty to the "parish" with my older brother having previously attended St. Edward.😂

In the end I was very happy with my choice, as were those from my grade school class that chose St Ignatius or the old Holy Name on Broadway or even West Tech for that matter. Everyone made the best of their particular situation.

As for education today, St Edward would not exist in it's present form if it didn't offer a quality and unique education. At nearly $20,000 per year (even with vouchers and scholarship money) it invariably requires a huge financial commitment from families to send kids to either St. Edward or Ignatius. No one is spending that kind of money if they don't think they're getting something of value in return. Today, both Eds and Ignatius offer their own unique brand of first class education.

I largely credit Ignatius almunus Jim Kubacki with the change at St Edward. He transformed Eds from a "blue collar" school into a 21st century school with the IB program and by enhancing the engineering program among a host of others. That's not taking anything away from the traditional Jesuit education offered at Ignatius and the changes they've had to make as well to stay ahead of the changing education curve.

When the new realities for Catholic education started to come into play (roughly 25 years ago or more) with smaller families, increased costs and diminished interest (among some ) in the importance of private Catholic education, Catholic schools faced serious challenges to survive. Some went to co-ed and others disappeared or merged with other entities. Ignatius was probably positioned best to absorb these challenges with a great historic reputation, central location, great alumni and a huge endowment. St Edward was not as fortunate. It had to really make drastic changes to survive and now appears to have come out of it smaller (down to 1,000 students from 1,600) but better for it in the end.

Eds and Ignatius are certainly different, but they produce some really great future leaders and all around great citizens in their own respective ways. I jokingly refer to St Ignatius as the "Evil Empire" in my athletic posts out of my jealousy of their great financial resources and facilities, but in no way does that diminish what they do on a day to day basis in the classroom.
THIS is the perfect example of the special mutual respect rivalry us who are alums of either talk about and try to get others to understand.
 
Safe travels to the Queen City Wildcat fans. Looking forward to tomorrow's game. Nice facility but not a lot of seating. I would advise to get their early. GBM 💪 🏈
 

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Likely won't need much visitor seating. Can't imagine anyone traveling unless having a kid playing
Noticed that last week the Ignatius crowd wasn’t as packed as it usually is at Lakewood. It was certainly a sellout but it wasn’t a get there at least an hour early to get a seat kind of Holy War. The student section was huge though, which is better.

Seems like this year the Ignatius diehards are more likely to watch online. Can’t blame them. If live-streaming was around when Ed’s was going through the nightmare of 08 and 09 I’d watch online too. If an Ignatius fan without kids or family on the team is going to cincy for this one they’re nuts.
 
Noticed that last week the Ignatius crowd wasn’t as packed as it usually is at Lakewood. It was certainly a sellout but it wasn’t a get there at least an hour early to get a seat kind of Holy War. The student section was huge though, which is better.

Seems like this year the Ignatius diehards are more likely to watch online. Can’t blame them. If live-streaming was around when Ed’s was going through the nightmare of 08 and 09 I’d watch online too. If an Ignatius fan without kids or family on the team is going to cincy for this one they’re nuts.
It actually wasn't close to a sell out last week. An Eds staffer told me between both schools, there were just shy of 7k tickets sold. And they put up 10k. Pretty sad stuff.
 
It actually wasn't close to a sell out last week. An Eds staffer told me between both schools, there were just shy of 7k tickets sold. And they put up 10k. Pretty sad stuff.
If 7k tickets were sold that beats the 6800 seats for Lakewood. I was there and there were plenty of people watching on the rails in the south end zone. But certainly not as much as Lakewood can really hold. I wonder what the highest attendance was at at Lakewood Stadium game. I'm sure they've found to find a way to fit 15k in there sometimes. Ed's switching the "home" side to the press box end a few years back still makes it feel strange.

I remember the 2012 game, 9-0 vs 9-0. There were people begging for tickets. You couldn't find a seat at Byers if you weren't there at least an hour early. Byers legally holds almost 13k, I bet there were 20k there for that game.

I really would like to see the true streaming numbers. A lot of people saw the game this year, but most were not actually there.
 
Noticed that last week the Ignatius crowd wasn’t as packed as it usually is at Lakewood. It was certainly a sellout but it wasn’t a get there at least an hour early to get a seat kind of Holy War. The student section was huge though, which is better.

Seems like this year the Ignatius diehards are more likely to watch online. Can’t blame them. If live-streaming was around when Ed’s was going through the nightmare of 08 and 09 I’d watch online too. If an Ignatius fan without kids or family on the team is going to cincy for this one they’re nuts.
I'm not even going to the 1 game at Byers next week. Not much enjoyment from going to watch a team score less than when the Browns were at their worst since expansion
 
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